Mariners Squad - HAL 11 - 2015/2016

[nebakke]

Isn't that how Nix finally got their hands on McWhizzel

Wow good point. I'd already happily forgotten about that.

 

[Gratis]

I didn't think any money at all, was supposed to change hands between the clubs?
It's a measly offering, to my mind, but someone suggested that he was one of the more likely sources of the game plan leak to Sydney if that's the truth, good riddance and hopefully he'll eventually end up somewhere that he'll learn some lessons about morals - not sure that's Sydney FC though

my understanding was that a player could buy out their own contract. If your next employer just happened to add that exact amount into your new contract...

 

[Gratis]

Lol @ Soccer Stoppage time

Apparently Fitz has asked for a release and Captain of Peahearts FC, Caceres is off to... Japan... Or a top 4 club but is waiting for MC to get back to him.

Agent working hard to get him out of our NYL side.

I'd rather Cac go to Japan than a rival.
I hope that's not true of Fitz, I like the guy. That said if true than so be it.

SST is notoriously unreliable in my experience so will wait and see

 

[pjennings]

It was Tony Rallis - Caceres's manager making the claims. I wonder if the clubs looking at him have looked at his stats. 67 top level games, 5069 minutes for 3 goals and 1 assist. the same output as Flores in 12 games and 850 minutes.

 

[Gratis]

m.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/sydney-fc/sydney-fc-in-hunt-to-sign-german-international-kevin-kuranyi-from-hoffenheim-20160104-glz4xs.htm

Meanwhile, Fairfax Media understands Central Coast Mariners are unlikely to pursue a move for former Greek international Giorgios Samaras in the upcoming transfer window. The club was eager to bring the former Manchester City and Celtic striker to Gosford but have decided against it due to his asking price as well as concerns about his fitness, as he has not played professionally since March.
The club is contemplating the future of talented young midfielder Anthony Caceres, who has requested a release from the remainder of his contract with the club. Caceres' future appears certain to lead him away from Gosford after the creative midfielder was dropped from the 16-man squad that beat Wellington Phoenix on New Year's Eve and asked to train away from the squad during a session last week.
Coach Tony Walmsley confirmed the club would be open to a trade deal with a rival A-League club involving Caceres but is not willing to release him freely. Sydney FC, Western Sydney Wanderers and Melbourne Victory are said to have inquired about his availability but neither the player nor his agent knows whether he will be granted a release in January.
"I am waiting for [Mariners owner] Mike Charlesworth to indicate whether he intends to release Anthony Caceres or not. It's safe to say that other clubs are interested in him but we cannot discuss any move until he is granted a release and free to discuss his options," agent Tony Rallis said.

 

[rbakersmith]

Apparently this was the situation when Cac got told to train separately and he wasn't pleased with how TW handled it. Not sure I'd have acted terribly differently if I were coach but you never know what really goes on.

The football equivalent of "gardening leave"... I'm not really surprised to be honest.

 

[Wombat]

Happy to see him go.

Caceras has talent but is soft as shite and needs a spell.

Fitz has had way more starting time than he deserves but I'd like to keep him as a useful squaddie. Also his mum is very hot ........some less kind than me have suggested......I'm gonna stop now.

 

[Rowdy]

67 top level games, 5069 minutes for 3 goals and 1 assist. the same output as Flores in 12 games and 850 minutes.

That's a truly HORRIFIC stat. for a supposed AM.

Try spinning-it down to a DM's stat and its a still terrible.

 

[Rowdy]

my understanding was that a player could buy out their own contract. If your next employer just happened to add that exact amount into your new contract...

So the $125k +plus whatever coin SydFC want to pay him comes out of their cap ??

 

[Forum Phoenix]

It was Tony Rallis - Caceres's manager making the claims. I wonder if the clubs looking at him have looked at his stats. 67 top level games, 5069 minutes for 3 goals and 1 assist. the same output as Flores in 12 games and 850 minutes.

Exactly. Blown my mind how this could be seemingly ignored for so long. Sure, some stats can be misleading. But you'd have to be crazy to look at those stats and still try and maintain that he can even play 10 at HAL level, let alone that he is actually a really good one. Fancy feet sure does buy you a lot of grace.

I don't believe for one second that he or Fitz were separated from the squad for no good reason. How could anyone believe that TW is just so utterly thick that he likes to randomly exclude players from training sessions or just because he's going with a different staring 11? What utter garbage. Not to mention that Hutch has a loyalty streak a mile wide and would never sit idle if players and friends were being unfairly treated.

But they honestly now expect us to believe this is just two poorly treated players reactions, when Caceres manager is a renowned prick who has been agitating for a good while. Caceres has been playing like he doesn't give a shit for weeks. There have been constant rumours of "4 or 5 players wanting to leave" and going to use the super payment delays as their out, and we just happen to be spooning.

Or... could it just possibly be, that you were made to train separately because it was confirmed you were an ingrate brat looking to abandon your club, team, coach and fans, right when they needed you most?

I expect the training session exclusion occurred directly after the two players notified the club of their desire to be released or told their team mates they were going to do so. Standard procedure for many clubs.

I expect at the very latest Caceres, Fitz and their agents made their minds up they were going after our big loss to Sydney and very likely a few well placed words from GA.

So what do you say...

I've wished most long standing Mariners well when they left us. But what do you say about two players that feel no loyalty for a club that has believed in them, given them all their major opportunities, paid their wages, investing in their future even though they continued to fail to live up to their purported potential.

How do you abandon the coach who has backed you, even when you were shite. The same coach that made you successful in your youth. His assistant, your former captain. You current captain. Your team mates (which is supposed to mean something) and who are in their direst hour of need, but you would rather run away instead of stepping up to help turn it around? I couldn't sleep at night.

In truth, I'm very sorry to see Fitz leave like this. I'm sure there has been a long list of people in his ear. And maybe the writing seemed to be on the wall for you Fitz... You're not a striker or a ten, and you should never start over Austin or Fab. But I just can't see this move helping your career, because looking at the other HAL teams rosters, it's hard to believe they would even be close to starting you. You will not get better with even less game time somewhere else. And I'm thoroughly pissed off that now you're most endearing memory for me will not be your engine or spirited effort or grit after yet another knock, but as a judas.

As to Caceres...

You know, I watched some of Caceres pre season training, and I never said a word about what I saw even when he was frustrating the shit out of me and it confirmed what I feared, because I still couldn't imagine it being helpful, but I watched Caceres blatantly shirking a conditioning exercise that all the others were enduring (and no it was not injury related before anyone suggests it) and it stuck in my gut. It was the reason I started paying careful attention to him during all games and and not just following the play. I had sincerely hoped I might see that it was just an off day for him, but his obvious short comings off the ball quickly began to stick out.

I'm not going to wish you ill Caceres. I don't need to. You're already your own worse enemy, and your agent seems enough of a curse for anyone. But like a certain cancelled grand final, I'm happy to never speak of you, except to boo and jeer if your traitorous feet ever find themselves on our hallowed ground again.

 

[BrisRecky]

I remeber at the shirt giving day at Erina of the grand final year, Cac had that brace/ cast thing on his arm and had it on for a while, I asked him when its coming off he said he didnt know ....suffice it to say, his lucky he didnt get punted then

 

[dibo]

That was at Tuggerah at the start of 2012/13.

 

[Gratis]

Exactly. Blown my mind how this could be seemingly ignored for so long. Sure, some stats can be misleading. But you'd have to be crazy to look at those stats and still try and maintain that he can even play 10 at HAL level, let alone that he is actually a really good one. Fancy feet sure does buy you a lot of grace.

I don't believe for one second that he or Fitz were separated from the squad for no good reason. How could anyone believe that TW is just so utterly thick that he likes to randomly exclude players from training sessions or just because he's going with a different staring 11? What utter garbage. Not to mention that Hutch has a loyalty streak a mile wide and would never sit idle if players and friends were being unfairly treated.

But they honestly now expect us to believe this is just two poorly treated players reactions, when Caceres manager is a renowned prick who has been agitating for a good while. Caceres has been playing like he doesn't give a shit for weeks. There have been constant rumours of "4 or 5 players wanting to leave" and going to use the super payment delays as their out, and we just happen to be spooning.

Or... could it just possibly be, that you were made to train separately because it was confirmed you were an ingrate brat looking to abandon your club, team, coach and fans, right when they needed you most?

I expect the training session exclusion occurred directly after the two players notified the club of their desire to be released or told their team mates they were going to do so. Standard procedure for many clubs.

I expect at the very latest Caceres, Fitz and their agents made their minds up they were going after our big loss to Sydney and very likely a few well placed words from GA.

So what do you say...

I've wished most long standing Mariners well when they left us. But what do you say about two players that feel no loyalty for a club that has believed in them, given them all their major opportunities, paid their wages, investing in their future even though they continued to fail to live up to their purported potential.

How do you abandon the coach who has backed you, even when you were shite. The same coach that made you successful in your youth. His assistant, your former captain. You current captain. Your team mates (which is supposed to mean something) and who are in their direst hour of need, but you would rather run away instead of stepping up to help turn it around? I couldn't sleep at night.

In truth, I'm very sorry to see Fitz leave like this. I'm sure there has been a long list of people in his ear. And maybe the writing seemed to be on the wall for you Fitz... You're not a striker or a ten, and you should never start over Austin or Fab. But I just can't see this move helping your career, because looking at the other HAL teams rosters, it's hard to believe they would even be close to starting you. You will not get better with even less game time somewhere else. And I'm thoroughly pissed off that now you're most endearing memory for me will not be your engine or spirited effort or grit after yet another knock, but as a judas.

As to Caceres...

You know, I watched some of Caceres pre season training, and I never said a word about what I saw even when he was frustrating the shit out of me and it confirmed what I feared, because I still couldn't imagine it being helpful, but I watched Caceres blatantly shirking a conditioning exercise that all the others were enduring (and no it was not injury related before anyone suggests it) and it stuck in my gut. It was the reason I started paying careful attention to him during all games and and not just following the play. I had sincerely hoped I might see that it was just an off day for him, but his obvious short comings off the ball quickly began to stick out.

I'm not going to wish you ill Caceres. I don't need to. You're already your own worse enemy, and your agent seems enough of a curse for anyone. But like a certain cancelled grand final, I'm happy to never speak of you, except to boo and jeer if your traitorous feet ever find themselves on our hallowed ground again.

I'm with you on this - if it all turns out to be true.
A lot of this is still unconfirmed rumour except for the Caceres stuff which is firming up with evidence by the day.

I still have my doubts about Gatty's more recent inside knowledge. Since Arnold left he seems to be more getting told stuff than actually in the know.
For example:

1. 3:05 PM - 30 Dec 2015
   Ray Gatt ‏@Gatty54 30 Dec 2015
   Hearing of Some interesting goings on at the Mariners concerning a recent training session.
   
2. 6:14 PM - 30 Dec 2015
   Michael Kmet ‏@Marinermick 30 Dec 2015
   @Gatty54 Today? Was at training and nothing out of the ordinary happened.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I'm with you on this - if it all turns out to be true.
A lot of this is still unconfirmed rumour except for the Caceres stuff which is firming up with evidence by the day.

I still have my doubts about Gatty's more recent inside knowledge. Since Arnold left he seems to be more getting told stuff than actually in the know.
For example:

1. 3:05 PM - 30 Dec 2015
   Ray Gatt ‏@Gatty54 30 Dec 2015
   Hearing of Some interesting goings on at the Mariners concerning a recent training session.
   
2. 6:14 PM - 30 Dec 2015
   Michael Kmet ‏@Marinermick 30 Dec 2015
   @Gatty54 Today? Was at training and nothing out of the ordinary happened.

Yeah the follow on from that was that they were not actually referring to the same session.

I know how well regarded Gatt is. I think the entertainment mantra was an affront to a decent section of the football fraternity, and there seemed to be pretty wide spread condemnation from the press once our wheels started to fall off.

I don't think it's looking very uncertain. Caceres wants out for his own sake. His manager wanted him out for his own sake. The club, coach, players, fans, expect him to play for their sake.

They now won't (and shouldn't) let a contracted player they've invested in go for free half way through his contract. Nor can they play him.

 

[nebakke]

I'm with you on this - if it all turns out to be true.
A lot of this is still unconfirmed rumour except for the Caceres stuff which is firming up with evidence by the day.

I still have my doubts about Gatty's more recent inside knowledge. Since Arnold left he seems to be more getting told stuff than actually in the know.
For example:

1. 3:05 PM - 30 Dec 2015
   Ray Gatt ‏@Gatty54 30 Dec 2015
   Hearing of Some interesting goings on at the Mariners concerning a recent training session.
   
2. 6:14 PM - 30 Dec 2015
   Michael Kmet ‏@Marinermick 30 Dec 2015
   @Gatty54 Today? Was at training and nothing out of the ordinary happened.

You need Gatty's response to that one mate... Saying that it a day or two before - I think... That was referring to the bust up that left Fitzy and Caceres our of the squad for NYE.

I'd like to think you're right, because he's been putting out some nasty bits, but I expect that his sources are still decent, even without Arnie there... Will be interesting to see how that goes if Caceres and Fitzy leave.
Although - he's a CCM fan isn't he? - I'm thinking he probably knows a few people around the club

 

[Gratis]

That makes sense then. Caceres seems a clear situation. I guess I've just been hoping for the others, though as I've said before if that's the situation we're in then so be it. Losing a Fitzy is not like we're losing a Jedinak.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Gatty has been a CCM member since day 1. Was at the NYE game.

Rarely if ever wrong about CCM stuff

 

[pjennings]

Strong word that Trent will be announced as joining the senior team today.

 

[FFC Mariner]

#ThatBoyTrent

Grad of IFS on the Coast, Coastie junior too - banged them in at all levels for CCF Reps

Outstanding if confirmed.

(cue FB whingers about experience)

 

[greenlig]

Tell me more about this boy Trent! Everyone seems to be excited by him, what's the deal? Where does he play on the park? What kind of player? Etc etc.

All this hype is making me nervous