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Mariners squad HAL 10 ~ 2014/15
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Good post. Alot of negativity on here that may well turn out to be unwarranted. We will probably have the most stable pre season we have ever had and no reason why we can't be competitive again. There will be new players, and a replacement for Patrick to come and depending on who they are that will lift the gloom hopefully. It's unfortunate that they players we have lost are so popular but turnover of players at clubs(especially ours) is inevitable. Bernie we badly wanted to keep, no fault of the club that we couldn't keep him. Letting Flores go is a football decision....not sure yet if that is a good or bad decision but Mossy has to have the decision on that. He will be the one who will be judged ultimately.
No idea what happened with Patrick but if Walmsley returns then I don't have a problem with that. Wee Macs is the difficult one. I am guessing that when he went off to Japan we did not expect him back and have recruited accordingly. It may be that we are looking at other players in other positions. Can't believe we couldn't fit him under the cap. All this of course if just a guess. I'm an optimist.....we will go well again and will unearth another 2 or 3 superstar kids. Having said that....we badly need some positive news to go along with the membership drive. Lets hope there's some coming but I will be the first in line for next seasons membership.
I think you are on the money. Personally I think unfortunately Wee Mac is off but the club really isn't at fault here as far as the leaking of the story goes anyway. I guess the club have released what they had to for legal reasons. It'll all come out in the wash. It's disappointing as Wee Mac has been one of our best and he will be going to a rival club. What I am hoping is that the money they will save with Wee mac (who must have been on good coin) will go towards a gun striker. It's also another available visa spot?
There is often a perilous point in the sand where you may support and be a fan of a club, but where you can no longer stand behind it and condone what it's leaders (the owner, the ceo, the coach) are doing.
It does appear that the way Charlesworth is running the Mariners is are at one of those points. However, I think I will wait until the McGlinchey situation is resolved, one way or another, before leaping to that, or another conclusion. We just have to wait on it I think.
If he does go, or even if MC has been planning without him, where does that leave us in regards to the cap? I know Seip is meant to be on a large, horrible contract but if you look at the outs and ins, there's a huge gap in quality, let alone players. You can cost cut the wage bill only so much. Just as there is a salary cap, there is a cap on has little a team can spend; the salar cap floor.
From last year to this one we have:
OUTS:
Sainsbury, McBreen, Sterjovski, Flores, Kwasnik, Pasfield, Ibini, McGlinchey, Griffiths?
INS:
Ibini, Bosnar, Kim, Trifiro, Sim, Cernak
Ibini cancels himself out which leaves 8 leaving, 5 arriving and 3 spots to fill to reach minimum playing roster. Although I think based on OP, with WeeMac gone there would be 18 players so there's 5 spots remaining, so can't have used up all the 23 registered spots last season.
Now Kalik and Rose come in too but they're off cap as NYL youths so don't count.
With all these player outs, with all our stars gone and none of them replaced (bar maybe Sainsbury) with quality signings who would demand a lot of money, how is the club and Charlesworth expecting to reach the salary cap floor? I think it's at 85% so surely they can't be close to it.
It would lead I think, to three possible scenarios:
1) There's big signings in the future, which will bring the squad into line with the minimum wage bill.
2) The club will not meet the salary cap floor, problems ensue.
3) The club meets the salary cap floor, but by overpaying average players.
I'm not sure any of those are necessarily encouraging options. Although granted Option 1 at least makes sense and would see the team competitive next season.
Player speculation,
A backup keeper is at least one player that is needed. Should be Tyson or Acton since they're now looking for clubs. Both have played this season so they're bench-warmers but have seen game-time and ready to handle it if needed.
If Griffiths goes a backup stopper would be needed too. Others have mentioned Beauchamp but he wouldn't necessarily be cheap. Him, Bosnar and Seip leaves the defence rather old and static too. Also around is Jon McKain from Adelaide, although he may want to go to Wellington again.
With Kwas retiring there really does need to be a striker. If the club is serious, then this needs to be the best player on the market they can attract. There's 1 Visa spot available, two if Weemac goes, so they need to bring someone in. Relying on just Duke and Simon? Too risky.
Also another winger will be needed as squad depth, but really not sure who's on the market now. Baker-Daish from Adelaide is a midfielder, although may be more central. Otherwise its recycling more journeyman players such as Zahra or Minniecon.
It does appear that the way Charlesworth is running the Mariners is are at one of those points. However, I think I will wait until the McGlinchey situation is resolved, one way or another, before leaping to that, or another conclusion. We just have to wait on it I think.
If he does go, or even if MC has been planning without him, where does that leave us in regards to the cap? I know Seip is meant to be on a large, horrible contract but if you look at the outs and ins, there's a huge gap in quality, let alone players. You can cost cut the wage bill only so much. Just as there is a salary cap, there is a cap on has little a team can spend; the salar cap floor.
From last year to this one we have:
OUTS:
Sainsbury, McBreen, Sterjovski, Flores, Kwasnik, Pasfield, Ibini, McGlinchey, Griffiths?
INS:
Ibini, Bosnar, Kim, Trifiro, Sim, Cernak
Ibini cancels himself out which leaves 8 leaving, 5 arriving and 3 spots to fill to reach minimum playing roster. Although I think based on OP, with WeeMac gone there would be 18 players so there's 5 spots remaining, so can't have used up all the 23 registered spots last season.
Now Kalik and Rose come in too but they're off cap as NYL youths so don't count.
With all these player outs, with all our stars gone and none of them replaced (bar maybe Sainsbury) with quality signings who would demand a lot of money, how is the club and Charlesworth expecting to reach the salary cap floor? I think it's at 85% so surely they can't be close to it.
It would lead I think, to three possible scenarios:
1) There's big signings in the future, which will bring the squad into line with the minimum wage bill.
2) The club will not meet the salary cap floor, problems ensue.
3) The club meets the salary cap floor, but by overpaying average players.
I'm not sure any of those are necessarily encouraging options. Although granted Option 1 at least makes sense and would see the team competitive next season.
Player speculation,
A backup keeper is at least one player that is needed. Should be Tyson or Acton since they're now looking for clubs. Both have played this season so they're bench-warmers but have seen game-time and ready to handle it if needed.
If Griffiths goes a backup stopper would be needed too. Others have mentioned Beauchamp but he wouldn't necessarily be cheap. Him, Bosnar and Seip leaves the defence rather old and static too. Also around is Jon McKain from Adelaide, although he may want to go to Wellington again.
With Kwas retiring there really does need to be a striker. If the club is serious, then this needs to be the best player on the market they can attract. There's 1 Visa spot available, two if Weemac goes, so they need to bring someone in. Relying on just Duke and Simon? Too risky.
Also another winger will be needed as squad depth, but really not sure who's on the market now. Baker-Daish from Adelaide is a midfielder, although may be more central. Otherwise its recycling more journeyman players such as Zahra or Minniecon.
eenfish
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Look, until the Mariners are actually doing things illegal or morally questionable or signing a series of disgusting players or, worst of all, actually move the team away from the Central Coast, I will support this club whether they sell our best players or they lose every game or they play boring football.
Other people can come and go and bang on about two-way streets and loyalty or whatever, but I don't follow the Mariners to follow a winning a team I follow the Mariners because they are the first team to be from the Central Coast. When they stop being Coasties, and i mean properly move all the games away or moved to a different city and not just 2 games a season (as mad as that makes me), then I will stop supporting them.
Also I doubt we will not make the salary floor, we still have potential for more signings, and I think Siep and Him are on big bucks anyway.
Other people can come and go and bang on about two-way streets and loyalty or whatever, but I don't follow the Mariners to follow a winning a team I follow the Mariners because they are the first team to be from the Central Coast. When they stop being Coasties, and i mean properly move all the games away or moved to a different city and not just 2 games a season (as mad as that makes me), then I will stop supporting them.
Also I doubt we will not make the salary floor, we still have potential for more signings, and I think Siep and Him are on big bucks anyway.
midfielder
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Just on weeMac on the YE forum they seem to be saying that a jurno make up the comments that weeMac was said to have made ...
http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/catego...y-premature-weemaculation?page=17#post_974705
http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/catego...y-premature-weemaculation?page=17#post_974705
Gratis
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this is where I sit too, though after everything we've achieved and built up it's hard seeing it potentially thrown away. it's early days yet and I'm hoping we'll go out there and over achieve as usual still
Roy Law
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Reddy, Roux, Morton, Rose J, Neill, Sim, Anderson, Seip, Bosnar, Montgomery, Hutchinson, Caceres, Rose L, Trifiro, Kalik, Cernak, Kim, Fitzgerald, Slater, Simon, Duke. Equals 21 players plus we need a back up keeper so equals 22. I don't know if Griffiths has been retained but if he has, or we sign a replacement, that equals 23. Michael Neil may revert back to NYL after a season long injury but that creates little room on the roster or room under the cap. I am not sure of the status of Jesse Curran.
Even if some players like Rose L, Curran and Neil are signed as NYL players on first team contracts it hardly suggests a spending spree on players. The club clearly doesn't have the room to take McGlinchey back; it prevaricated over Bernie for the same reason.
While other clubs are recruiting I think we will find that we have done our recruiting already unless someone like Seip moves on. Despite the angst over McGlinchey, and Bernie, the club roster is the most stable it has been for a long time.
Even if some players like Rose L, Curran and Neil are signed as NYL players on first team contracts it hardly suggests a spending spree on players. The club clearly doesn't have the room to take McGlinchey back; it prevaricated over Bernie for the same reason.
While other clubs are recruiting I think we will find that we have done our recruiting already unless someone like Seip moves on. Despite the angst over McGlinchey, and Bernie, the club roster is the most stable it has been for a long time.
Out with the old guard (Arnie's dollarmite kids) in with Mossy's new bread of cheap state leaguers.
I had a very similar chat to Bruce when he first came to the club.
I said we have an identification problem with players. They come & go so often (Last season was massive) there are only the few like hutch that the community actually know or remember there name. He was also of the belief that a contract should be stuck to & no running off even for O/s jobs. However he will be hamstrung by the owners beliefs (my thoughts not his).
CCM have always sold to overseas & the A League doesn't allow transfers between teams (If it did would we sell to other teams - You bet). This actually disadvantages us as we would probably like to sell WeeMac to SFC or Nix for top dollar but we can't.
I also think the Arnie era is almost gone with almost all of them cleared out. His start studded side that came through NYL together are almost all gone overseas or to SFC now. McGlinchy was teachers pet & followed him to Japan. So you can understand him wanting to be with Arnie @ SFC, but now Wellington. Shows he may be looking at his age (time to get paid) & CCM (Underpaying him) & looking at the team (only knows a couple of guys names) has decided he wants out.
It all started over a week ago at the NZ game where he blamed players on the NZ team for starting the rumours. Now FFA have been fooled. Was this a seriously big practical joke that has got out of hand or has the FFA stuff up meant the Mariners are pissed & going to hold ground instead of sanctioning the move?
Who knows - But If you don't want to play for us we don't want to cheer for you.
I'm seriously worried the A League is starting to take off to the point overseas guys are looking to come back & the squad's & coaches are getting stronger. We can't tread water for to long.
However if the gatt tweets are right the promising youth are locked away & we have a strong base to put some cream on (want to see this confirmed by CCM).
Nix you can have McGlinchy but must take Seip with him.
I had a very similar chat to Bruce when he first came to the club.
I said we have an identification problem with players. They come & go so often (Last season was massive) there are only the few like hutch that the community actually know or remember there name. He was also of the belief that a contract should be stuck to & no running off even for O/s jobs. However he will be hamstrung by the owners beliefs (my thoughts not his).
CCM have always sold to overseas & the A League doesn't allow transfers between teams (If it did would we sell to other teams - You bet). This actually disadvantages us as we would probably like to sell WeeMac to SFC or Nix for top dollar but we can't.
I also think the Arnie era is almost gone with almost all of them cleared out. His start studded side that came through NYL together are almost all gone overseas or to SFC now. McGlinchy was teachers pet & followed him to Japan. So you can understand him wanting to be with Arnie @ SFC, but now Wellington. Shows he may be looking at his age (time to get paid) & CCM (Underpaying him) & looking at the team (only knows a couple of guys names) has decided he wants out.
It all started over a week ago at the NZ game where he blamed players on the NZ team for starting the rumours. Now FFA have been fooled. Was this a seriously big practical joke that has got out of hand or has the FFA stuff up meant the Mariners are pissed & going to hold ground instead of sanctioning the move?
Who knows - But If you don't want to play for us we don't want to cheer for you.
I'm seriously worried the A League is starting to take off to the point overseas guys are looking to come back & the squad's & coaches are getting stronger. We can't tread water for to long.
However if the gatt tweets are right the promising youth are locked away & we have a strong base to put some cream on (want to see this confirmed by CCM).
Nix you can have McGlinchy but must take Seip with him.
midfielder
Well-Known Member
Just in support of MC's tweet on weeMac the NZ media place the blame squarely on a Nix media manager who had a pre written story if they signed him ... and his pre written when he was unsigned was published as fact ... and according to the NZ media we were refusing to let him go...
We have given MC a fair wack ... this does support his tweet as does the YF forum...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10137420/McGlinchey-signing-a-big-balls-up
Excitement turned into exasperation for Wellington Phoenix fans yesterday as Michael McGlinchey was signed, then un-signed, in an embarrassing administrative bungle.
A story headlined "Phoenix bring McGlinchey home" appeared on the A-League's website yesterday morning, trumpeting the signing of the All Whites midfielder on a two-year contract.
The story, quoting McGlinchey and Phoenix coach Ernie Merrick, was later removed after media manager Russell Gray said it was "published in error."
Gray had pre-written the story about a week ago but it was not supposed to appear online until the deal had been finalised.
McGlinchey is contracted to the Central Coast Mariners but is currently on loan to Japanese club Vegalta Sendai.
The Mariners are digging their heels in and issued a press release yesterday saying McGlinchey was still their man.
"Central Coast Mariners wish to deny reports that midfielder Michael McGlinchey has been released from his contract with the club," the statement said, before quoting club chairman Michael Charlesworth.
"Michael is still under contract with us," Charlesworth said. "We look forward to him returning to the Mariners from Vegalta Sendai for Hyundai A-League season ten."
Football Federation Australia media operations manager Adam Mark said the FFA was "investigating the matter internally" before making comment on how the draft press release had been prematurely published.
Phoenix general manager David Dome said he couldn't comment on the situation.
There will be some nervous folk at Phoenix HQ while Wellington-born McGlinchey, on holiday with his family in Scotland, will presumably be dismayed at how things have unfolded.
A messy tug-of-war over McGlinchey's services now seems likely.
The leaked story said the 27-year-old had signed with the Phoenix after securing an early release from Vegalta Sendai and had opted to join Wellington rather than the Mariners, for whom he made 121 appearances and helped win the 2012-13 A-League title.
"I'm really excited to be joining the Phoenix," McGlinchey said.
"Results may not have gone their way last season and there were a lot of injuries, but I was impressed by the football they were trying to play . . .
"When I was with the All Whites last week the lads said they thought Ernie would get the best out of me. The only thing missing last season was goals, but with the right sort of service someone like Brocks [Jeremy Brockie] will get 10 to 15. I want to help the Phoenix win things because the Wellington fans deserve some success."
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The story said McGlinchey would play for the Phoenix against West Ham United at Eden Park on July 23.
McGlinchey left Wellington as a one-year-old when his family returned to Scotland after father Norrie played for Stop Out and Hutt Valley United.
Merrick views the diminutive McGlinchey as the ideal replacement for Carlos Hernandez, who was released last month.
"I was looking for an attacking midfielder, someone who could play No 10 or out wide, and Michael fits the bill perfectly," Merrick said in the story.
"He is a hard worker but can also provide quality, accurate passes to the strikers. I think it is [a] major coup for the Phoenix to get his signature."
We have given MC a fair wack ... this does support his tweet as does the YF forum...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10137420/McGlinchey-signing-a-big-balls-up
Excitement turned into exasperation for Wellington Phoenix fans yesterday as Michael McGlinchey was signed, then un-signed, in an embarrassing administrative bungle.
A story headlined "Phoenix bring McGlinchey home" appeared on the A-League's website yesterday morning, trumpeting the signing of the All Whites midfielder on a two-year contract.
The story, quoting McGlinchey and Phoenix coach Ernie Merrick, was later removed after media manager Russell Gray said it was "published in error."
Gray had pre-written the story about a week ago but it was not supposed to appear online until the deal had been finalised.
McGlinchey is contracted to the Central Coast Mariners but is currently on loan to Japanese club Vegalta Sendai.
The Mariners are digging their heels in and issued a press release yesterday saying McGlinchey was still their man.
"Central Coast Mariners wish to deny reports that midfielder Michael McGlinchey has been released from his contract with the club," the statement said, before quoting club chairman Michael Charlesworth.
"Michael is still under contract with us," Charlesworth said. "We look forward to him returning to the Mariners from Vegalta Sendai for Hyundai A-League season ten."
Football Federation Australia media operations manager Adam Mark said the FFA was "investigating the matter internally" before making comment on how the draft press release had been prematurely published.
Phoenix general manager David Dome said he couldn't comment on the situation.
There will be some nervous folk at Phoenix HQ while Wellington-born McGlinchey, on holiday with his family in Scotland, will presumably be dismayed at how things have unfolded.
A messy tug-of-war over McGlinchey's services now seems likely.
The leaked story said the 27-year-old had signed with the Phoenix after securing an early release from Vegalta Sendai and had opted to join Wellington rather than the Mariners, for whom he made 121 appearances and helped win the 2012-13 A-League title.
"I'm really excited to be joining the Phoenix," McGlinchey said.
"Results may not have gone their way last season and there were a lot of injuries, but I was impressed by the football they were trying to play . . .
"When I was with the All Whites last week the lads said they thought Ernie would get the best out of me. The only thing missing last season was goals, but with the right sort of service someone like Brocks [Jeremy Brockie] will get 10 to 15. I want to help the Phoenix win things because the Wellington fans deserve some success."
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The story said McGlinchey would play for the Phoenix against West Ham United at Eden Park on July 23.
McGlinchey left Wellington as a one-year-old when his family returned to Scotland after father Norrie played for Stop Out and Hutt Valley United.
Merrick views the diminutive McGlinchey as the ideal replacement for Carlos Hernandez, who was released last month.
"I was looking for an attacking midfielder, someone who could play No 10 or out wide, and Michael fits the bill perfectly," Merrick said in the story.
"He is a hard worker but can also provide quality, accurate passes to the strikers. I think it is [a] major coup for the Phoenix to get his signature."
priorpeter
Well-Known Member
Hahaha. Good one mate.
scottmac
Suspended
I totally accept everything you say here & believe your spot on.
Except this is not a transfer. If it was it would be totally acceptable. We sell, better contact for the player, money for us. Completely legit.
Releasing your star in these circumstances to play against you? f**k that. End of contract, best of luck thanks for the good times. Year to go, what do we get out of it?
MrCelery
Well-Known Member
Good question.
Assuming the inevitable will happen and he moves to Wellington, I hope we screw them for top dollar.
Another possibility is that the club don't want to announce that they've released him until after the new "memberships" go out....
scottmac
Suspended
Top dollar?
Are you taking the mickey?
Please tell me you know we don't get any money out of a situation like this. There is no top dollar, we're just top blokes allowing others to get what they want at our expense.
dibo
Well-Known Member
We actually can't make a cent out of it. Transfer fees between A-League clubs are prohibited. We'll make money if he goes to another league, but within the league we get bupkis.
scottmac
Suspended
Yep that's the point I was making, I just found it hard to believe that celery doesn't/didn't know that.
He must be taking the piss or I've misunderstood what he meant.
Wombat
Well-Known Member
So why oh why would we sell our best player??????
We just sold Ibini ( the only player we had capable of filling WeeMacs spot) to one of our main rivals.
Are the lunatics running the Central Coast nuthouse or what?
I just don't get it.
Roy Law
Well-Known Member
We sold Ibini a long time ago to the Chinese club; he was not our player. We certainly had first dibs on him coming back but were incredibly slow out of the blocks and allowed Arnie to flash the cash.
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