Mariners Squad - 2019-2020

[BrisRecky]

 

[Michael]

I’d really love some full proof clarification on lee sang. Because the strongest rumour from EVERYONE was that it was Kim that wasn’t sticking around....
Don’t get me wrong I’m estatic kim’s locked in. He’ll be just as crucial for us. Especially if Staj can bring in a more experienced CB, to really solidify our spine. But I am more excited for lee sang to be here.

 

[NoDiggity]

Shaun did say in the other thread that one Korean would take longer than the other. Maybe Lee Sang is just taking longer to process?

 

[pjennings]

Makes sense I believe Kim voluntarily "retired" while Lee was sanctioned by the KFA.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Based on their performances against Manly (not a great test I know) the DM was head and shoulders the best footballer we have had for years. The winger was alright but not a game changer IMHO

 

[Tevor]

And he shouldn't. Bloke's got a family to support and this may be his best payday for some time. Even if he loves the club, wants it to succeed and recognises a need I doubt many love it enough to effectively sacrifice 6 figures out of their own pocket and it would be massively unfair to expect it of him. The same with any number of overpaid players in recent years that dont have a comparable deal on the horizon.

I disagree and will explain, poor captain last year and we can not afford to be a charity. Get over the love affair, mutual agreement for termination is all I want to see. We need to exceed beyond Simon. Have not read all the posts and don’t care.

 

[pjennings]

I disagree and will explain, poor captain last year and we can not afford to be a charity. Get over the love affair, mutual agreement for termination is all I want to see. We need to exceed beyond Simon. Have not read all the posts and don’t care.

The point is he got a good contract from the club last year. He would struggle to command anything like he is on if he went elsewhere. He has no incentive to "mutually terminate" and should not be expected to do so..

So if we want him to go we would have to pay him out which would count against the cap - no good for the player or the club.

 

[Tevor]

The point is he got a good contract from the club last year. He would struggle to command anything like he is on if he went elsewhere. He has no incentive to "mutually terminate" and should not be expected to do so..

So if we want him to go we would have to pay him out which would count against the cap - no good for the player or the club.

I get that and would be happy to see him play zero minutes this season even if we pay him. Young players are our future and I would rather see them miss goals and learn than Simon miss and be tolerated. Huge MM mistake and we have to wear that but don’t steal minutes for future stars. Simon with massive splinters is all I want to see.

 

[turbo]

I disagree and will explain, poor captain last year and we can not afford to be a charity. Get over the love affair, mutual agreement for termination is all I want to see. We need to exceed beyond Simon. Have not read all the posts and don’t care.

If you’ve seen any of my posts about him I am far from a fan and was never a fan of the signing nevermind when it became clear he was going to be starting most matches last season. This is the clubs mess to live with and IMO everyone that gave that deal (and some others) the green light or didn’t at least question it needs to have a good look at themselves.
But mutual termination? Would you walk from your employer if it meant you were going to be out of pocket tens of thousands to be in their best interests? We aren’t at the squad limit or salary cap so there’s no benefit to doing an “academy position” deal. Odds are he’s done at this level when his contract ends whether he walks or rides it out so it makes sense to ride it out. That’s not to say Staj should play him and I did say his place in the pecking order should be fighting to make the bench. Beyond that he can still serve as a leader within the club and ambassador within the community but his minutes on the pitch need to be limited if we want to be a competitive side.

 

[turbo]

On a different note the social media reactions to Kim have been interesting, there’s definitely a decent number of people that struggle with the idea we seem to have made a smart signing that would otherwise be out of reach. Really hoping we put some of those clowns in their place this season.

 

[Coastalraider]

On a different note the social media reactions to Kim have been interesting, there’s definitely a decent number of people that struggle with the idea we seem to have made a smart signing that would otherwise be out of reach. Really hoping we put some of those clowns in their place this season.

We have to expect that - we have rightly been the joke of the league for a while now, it’s going to take time.

 

[midfielder]

Maybe its rose coloured glasses or maybe its blind faith or simply wishful thinking ...... but there is a hhhhhmmmm right word hhhmmm maybe pattern maybe consistency could be messaging ... BUT the side is looking more solid and the coach seems to be fully in charge ..

TWAS doing so thinking the other day about AS .... he has a lot to prove both to himself and to the broader Football community... similar in many way to when we signed Arnold he was generally considered the worst coach ever to walk the planet ...

If what I am reading is true he is getting them fit he is also leaving no one in any doubt who is in charge ...

Two excellent signing today.

I do wonder aloud if the rumours about the other Korean are true or not but if he wants to go and says he can't reach the level of fitness required then maybe its a good thing ...

I will be surprised if Matty S starts many games for us this year ... deep down he must be hurting to miss those goals and most strikers play with confidence and his confidence must be quite low right now ..

Looking forward to the next two or three signings ..

 

[Tevor]

If you’ve seen any of my posts about him I am far from a fan and was never a fan of the signing nevermind when it became clear he was going to be starting most matches last season. This is the clubs mess to live with and IMO everyone that gave that deal (and some others) the green light or didn’t at least question it needs to have a good look at themselves.
But mutual termination? Would you walk from your employer if it meant you were going to be out of pocket tens of thousands to be in their best interests? We aren’t at the squad limit or salary cap so there’s no benefit to doing an “academy position” deal. Odds are he’s done at this level when his contract ends whether he walks or rides it out so it makes sense to ride it out. That’s not to say Staj should play him and I did say his place in the pecking order should be fighting to make the bench. Beyond that he can still serve as a leader within the club and ambassador within the community but his minutes on the pitch need to be limited if we want to be a competitive side.

Training away from the group worked for Glory with Keogh, unfortunately for us Keogh still has opportunities unlike Simon as many mentioned would struggle to get an NPL contract. My point is cut our losses and play youngsters with a view to the future. Explain why he even deserves a job at the club!!! Let’s move on he offered nothing last year in a team that should have done better. I also include Wee Mac in this view point. Would rather come last trying new players than watch washed ups abusing Refs and offering nothing for our future.

 

[midfielder]

Training away from the group worked for Glory with Keogh, unfortunately for us Keogh still has opportunities unlike Simon as many mentioned would struggle to get an NPL contract. My point is cut our losses and play youngsters with a view to the future. Explain why he even deserves a job at the club!!! Let’s move on he offered nothing last year in a team that should have done better. I also include Wee Mac in this view point. Would rather come last trying new players than watch washed ups abusing Refs and offering nothing for our future.

What would be interesting to explore both players especially weeMac could find a home in some of the NPl teams and would be interesting to loan them out and say we are paying 150K and another club offers say 80K in wages we have reduced our expenses and opened up a spot ... its one of those juggling decisions we loss 70 K and open up a spot for a gun kid on 80k..

 

[pjennings]

What would be interesting to explore both players especially weeMac could find a home in some of the NPl teams and would be interesting to loan them out and say we are paying 150K and another club offers say 80K in wages we have reduced our expenses and opened up a spot ... its one of those juggling decisions we loss 70 K and open up a spot for a gun kid on 80k..

Matty seems to have fallen off the pace in the HAL but watching Antelmi in the FFA Cup for SU58 in the middle of the season Matty looks well above that level. With NSM are reasonable chance to be in the NSW NPL next season maybe we can offer Matty a reduced contract with no guarantee of playing time supplemented with a Club Ambassador / Academy role to cement the relationship between the various Academies.

Next season we could see CCMFC in the HAL, NSM in NSW NPL. CCMA in NSW NPL2, CCU in NPL3. This season/next season we may well have a reserve league instead of the NYL. I'd love to see a more coordinated approach between the clubs with links to the Coast/Mariners.

As for McGlinchey I get the impression that Alen rates him. He already looks a lot fitter than he has for a few years so maybe we will see a renaissance there.

 

[Ironbark]

I know most don't agree but I haven't given up on McGlinchey for one last decent season. He has what it takes and could still produce it with the right fitness, drive and coaching.
I'm in consensus that Simon needs to be benched. He can't and shouldn't ever have been Captain, as much as I thank him for his years of bleeding yellow.
Under the current style I'd prefer to see Murray played as a 9 whenever he is on - the slick service that suits Murray is finally here.

 

[Coastalraider]

Matty must be the most amazing trainer - he continually started under MM, under Staj last year, and after a preseason with Staj he starts again this year.

When the rest of the world can see he is WAY pst it, the coaches still see something...

 

[bikinigirl]

. the Kim signing is interesting ... and interesting because i had been hearing rumours (similar to other people it seems) that he was the one not hanging around

. in the game against Manly, I was more impressed with Kim. he was very assured and comfortable on the ball ... and looked to be a big solid bloke (although i could almost be considered big in our midfield)

. when rumours were circulating about fitness issues, i was disappointed. while he didn't over-exert himself against Manly ... i saw that as a sign of him not needing to over-exert himself against such opposition - because he knew what he was doing

. similarly i had heard that the Korean winger (people tend not to use names with the unfamiliar) was technically streets ahead of most of the squad at training - which fed the presumption of Lee hanging around

. maybe they are both still hanging around. if they get along, it should be a good thing as they adjust to a new way of life

. so can somebody, with better investigative skills than me, please let us know whether it was Lee or Kim that was returning from a broken leg injury?

 

[turbo]

maybe they are both still hanging around

Not too sure about the broken leg but Kim does seem to have a bit of an injury history with a bunch of stints not in the squad then usually starting in the next round or two. But the K league demands more of their players so our season might suit him better.

If the rumours make it to here then surely Staj is aware and maybe it’s just a case of talking through it one on one and explaining why the cup game was such a big deal and talking about fitness expectations and acknowledging any past injury concerns. If the reason was really concerns about not being able to make it to the form the player holds themselves to or is used to in the K league a bit of assurance and recalibrating is in order and enough to get things back on track.

I’d actually respect a player willing to turn down a contract they don’t think they can give enough to rather than being a holiday player but by the sounds of it either of them at 90% is still very good.

 

[bikinigirl]

I’d actually respect a player willing to turn down a contract they don’t think they can give enough to rather than being a holiday player but by the sounds of it either of them at 90% is still very good.

. exactly

. of course there is a risk / value for money assessment required ... but this exists for every player (regardless of their history)

. i know your 90% is just a figure for the sake of the discussion ... but that is the way it needs to be considered - is their, say, 90% better than the alternatives