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Mariners sell supporters short.... again

tisk

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I work in an industry allied to the grounds keeping profession and have done so for many years. After keeping track of this thread for a while I can't let it go without input. My comments relate to sporting fields in general, though aimed in particular at the countries major sports stadiums, including BTS.
For me it comes down to two choices either NSO as a kinda "Going Home Again" or Canberra ... however like most I would love the pitch to be fixed during the NRL season...
If you can develop a hybrid perennial turf grass that allows anything more than minor maintenance during the winter months of a temperate climate, what you want can be done. Until then, it cannot. The 'primary' turf, as in all primary turf used on playing surfaces, has a growing season limited to the warmer months and lays in varying degrees of dormancy at other times.

Autumn maintenance includes the over sowing (seeding) with a particular winter 'annual' cold/cool weather rye grass to give assistance in cover, colour & to a limited extent, damage recovery not provided by the dormant primary turf.
This must be eradicated in spring before the summer heat begins as it cannot cope,  become patchy, clumpy/uneven and very unsightly.

Maintenance and it's timing, is a slave to our temperate climatic seasons.
Unless of course one has the budget for annual major refurbishment costing a minimum of low to medium six figure amounts.

Maybe it has something to do with the type of grass they want to grow? Not all grass grows right at all times of the year.
Someone is thinking outside the square.
In fact, all perennial turf grasses suitable for temperate climates grow poor in temperate winters, though some hybrids cope better.

In a nutshell, life is a bitch for groundsmen. More often than not your budget is grossly inadequate and the most important aspect governing the quality and timing of your work, the weather, is obviously out of your control. To the average ill informed layperson with a knowledge limited to the upkeep of the family yard, you can often be unfairly perceived as an incompetent fool.

Do CCM need to relocate games to secure a suitable time frame to complete & establish the maintenance they speak of? I can only suggest a period of 6weeks or thereabouts during the warmer months should be enough time for a major surface refurbishment to be ready for play. 'If' the weather cooperates.
 

FFC Mariner

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Good post and thanks - not building a ground over a creek running down to the sea would also have been a good idea.

I have an old pic of Gosford in the 1920's and you can clearly see the creek.

(Isnt that what delayed the building of the ground in the 1st place as the original piering was to shallow and the Bears folded with no home ground??)
 

gull

Well-Known Member
Jesus said:
Maybe there is another reason, maybe, given the current economic times, the club is worried about the cost of season tickets going up significantly, escpecially with the coast one of the more affected regions. Maybe they see a slower build up in price and matches as prudent.

Surely the club couldn't justify an increase to the season ticket cost this year? There is now no pre-season comp (which used to be free to "members"), and we'll only have 11 games (same as last season) at BT this year after the announcement of the two "away" home games. 

Free tickets to the moved games would help, but not if we're travelling 300km's to get there.

It would be wise for the club to be very careful how they treat their "members" this year I reckon.
 

clarence

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Thanks Tisk for providing some expert opinion on the ground maintenance issue. I asked if someone knew something about this subject a page or two back, so I'm glad someone piped up and provided some experienced background to the matter.

I honestly thought that in temperate environments the grass continued to grow, albeit slowly during winter (unlike in cooler environments where the grass actually stops growing), but as you've described, I see that the grass does slow down it's growth enough, to come close to dormancy. And getting some magical hybrid grass to perform both in winter and summer months being, well, a myth.
 

dibo

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quite seriously, fieldturf should be investigated. quality all year, can be trained on all the time too, can play youth and women's games there no trouble, can play rugby codes etc. paint it up with water-soluble paint, hose it off and paint up another set of lines, play another sport on it hours later. probably a lot cheaper than natural grass too.
 

Paolo

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dibo said:
quite seriously, fieldturf should be investigated. quality all year, can be trained on all the time too, can play youth and women's games there no trouble, can play rugby codes etc. paint it up with water-soluble paint, hose it off and paint up another set of lines, play another sport on it hours later. probably a lot cheaper than natural grass too.
i wouldnt mind bluetongue looking like this every week
au_banner_Seymour_Shaw_Park_finished.jpg
 

FFC Mariner

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Frpm Wiki - bet the NRL wouldnt like it though

FieldTurf's first high profile installation came in January 1997 as English Premiership's Middlesbrough FC chose FieldTurf for its new training field.

In 2001, Boston University's FieldTurf soccer field becomes FieldTurf's first to obtain FIFA 1-star status.

In 2002, soccer fans and the Washington State Public Stadium Authority expressed concerns when FieldTurf was proposed for Qwest Field since the surface would not be suitable for World Cup sanctioned events.[35]

In 2005, Saprissa Stadium in San Jos, Costa Rica became the first stadium to host a FIFA World Cup qualifying match on FieldTurf. The Dundalk FC Stadium received FieldTurf's first FIFA 2-star rating.

In September 2006, several top Canadian soccer players appealed to the Canadian Soccer Association to install a natural grass surface at BMO Field in Toronto.[36] Darren Huckerby stated that was one reason he chose not to sign with the club.[37]

In 2007, Gary O'Connor spoke out against the FieldTurf surface he played on while at Lokomotiv Moscow. He stated when the artificial surface was overly wet that "The ball skids off the surface, so it becomes extremely hard to read" and called it "a nightmare".[38]

In 2007, the FIFA U-20 World Cup Canada had almost 50% of its games played on FieldTurf.[39]

New England Revolution manager Steve Nicol is quoted as saying "Grass is still the best surface," in regards to professional soccer matches after David Beckham stated "It's difficult but it's something we have to deal with. It's part of the MLS and we have to come to terms with it and I'm sure it will be fine."[40]

FieldTurf currently has 10 FIFA 2-star fields and 4 FIFA 1-star fields.
 

Atomic

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A couple of years ago I toured the home ground of the Seattle Seahawks NFL team (Qwest Field). They had artifical grass and the tour guide said that visiting teams had voted it the best surface of all venues in the NFL (that includes astroturf and natural grass). It was a truely amazing surface.
 

Atomic

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I agree that Qwest in it's current state probably would be a little too spongy for football... but I'm sure the manufacturers have different grades of turf to choose from.
 

Atomic

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I wonder if they have resurfaced the ground since I was there... I doubt it as MLS isn't even on the radar when it comes to the NFL. So, I stand corrected. Looking at the MLS standings, it appears as though Qwest is proving to be beneficial for the Sounders
 

mariners4ever

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serious14 said:
That the stuff Kawasaki had??

dont think so, knowing the quality of the j-league and kawasaki in particular, they would have some common sense to have a quality field, if you're refering to the quality of their pitch in the last ACL game
 

Arabmariner

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dibo said:
quite seriously, fieldturf should be investigated. quality all year, can be trained on all the time too, can play youth and women's games there no trouble, can play rugby codes etc. paint it up with water-soluble paint, hose it off and paint up another set of lines, play another sport on it hours later. probably a lot cheaper than natural grass too.
Can you do a big dirty slide tackle and get all muddy on it ?

If not it's no good.

Imo.
 

Jesus

Jesus
tisk said:
I work in an industry allied to the grounds keeping profession and have done so for many years. After keeping track of this thread for a while I can't let it go without input. My comments relate to sporting fields in general, though aimed in particular at the countries major sports stadiums, including BTS.
For me it comes down to two choices either NSO as a kinda "Going Home Again" or Canberra ... however like most I would love the pitch to be fixed during the NRL season...
If you can develop a hybrid perennial turf grass that allows anything more than minor maintenance during the winter months of a temperate climate, what you want can be done. Until then, it cannot. The 'primary' turf, as in all primary turf used on playing surfaces, has a growing season limited to the warmer months and lays in varying degrees of dormancy at other times.

Autumn maintenance includes the over sowing (seeding) with a particular winter 'annual' cold/cool weather rye grass to give assistance in cover, colour & to a limited extent, damage recovery not provided by the dormant primary turf.
This must be eradicated in spring before the summer heat begins as it cannot cope,  become patchy, clumpy/uneven and very unsightly.

Maintenance and it's timing, is a slave to our temperate climatic seasons.
Unless of course one has the budget for annual major refurbishment costing a minimum of low to medium six figure amounts.

Maybe it has something to do with the type of grass they want to grow? Not all grass grows right at all times of the year.
Someone is thinking outside the square.
In fact, all perennial turf grasses suitable for temperate climates grow poor in temperate winters, though some hybrids cope better.

In a nutshell, life is a bitch for groundsmen. More often than not your budget is grossly inadequate and the most important aspect governing the quality and timing of your work, the weather, is obviously out of your control. To the average ill informed layperson with a knowledge limited to the upkeep of the family yard, you can often be unfairly perceived as an incompetent fool.

Do CCM need to relocate games to secure a suitable time frame to complete & establish the maintenance they speak of? I can only suggest a period of 6weeks or thereabouts during the warmer months should be enough time for a major surface refurbishment to be ready for play. 'If' the weather cooperates.
I understand about the different grasstypes for different season.
The only thing i am not understanding, is why bluetongue should struggle more than any other ground in the country? 

Artificial pitches could pay dividends IMO. Though i have never played on one. There are some in sydney aren't there where football is played?
Would their be an issue with length if artificial used? I know league likes it longer etc.
 

Jimmy

Well-Known Member
Jesus said:
tisk said:
I work in an industry allied to the grounds keeping profession and have done so for many years. After keeping track of this thread for a while I can't let it go without input. My comments relate to sporting fields in general, though aimed in particular at the countries major sports stadiums, including BTS.
For me it comes down to two choices either NSO as a kinda "Going Home Again" or Canberra ... however like most I would love the pitch to be fixed during the NRL season...
If you can develop a hybrid perennial turf grass that allows anything more than minor maintenance during the winter months of a temperate climate, what you want can be done. Until then, it cannot. The 'primary' turf, as in all primary turf used on playing surfaces, has a growing season limited to the warmer months and lays in varying degrees of dormancy at other times.

Autumn maintenance includes the over sowing (seeding) with a particular winter 'annual' cold/cool weather rye grass to give assistance in cover, colour & to a limited extent, damage recovery not provided by the dormant primary turf.
This must be eradicated in spring before the summer heat begins as it cannot cope,  become patchy, clumpy/uneven and very unsightly.

Maintenance and it's timing, is a slave to our temperate climatic seasons.
Unless of course one has the budget for annual major refurbishment costing a minimum of low to medium six figure amounts.

Maybe it has something to do with the type of grass they want to grow? Not all grass grows right at all times of the year.
Someone is thinking outside the square.
In fact, all perennial turf grasses suitable for temperate climates grow poor in temperate winters, though some hybrids cope better.

In a nutshell, life is a bitch for groundsmen. More often than not your budget is grossly inadequate and the most important aspect governing the quality and timing of your work, the weather, is obviously out of your control. To the average ill informed layperson with a knowledge limited to the upkeep of the family yard, you can often be unfairly perceived as an incompetent fool.

Do CCM need to relocate games to secure a suitable time frame to complete & establish the maintenance they speak of? I can only suggest a period of 6weeks or thereabouts during the warmer months should be enough time for a major surface refurbishment to be ready for play. 'If' the weather cooperates.
I understand about the different grasstypes for different season.
The only thing i am not understanding, is why bluetongue should struggle more than any other ground in the country? 

Artificial pitches could pay dividends IMO. Though i have never played on one. There are some in sydney aren't there where football is played?
Would their be an issue with length if artificial used? I know league likes it longer etc.

Southerland Sharks have an artificial pitch I believe, Bojic played there before joining the Mariners squad.
 

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