Mariners sell supporters short.... again

[Sean]

Hopefully the club answers this post:
Why is the 19th of December after the 23rd this year?

because round 19 is spread over six weeks:

Round 19
Weds 16 Dec Brissy v Fury
Weds 23 Dec Syd v Mariners
Weds 13 Jan GC v Jets
Weds 19 Jan Adel v Perth
Weds 26 Jan Victory v Welly

So we're playing round 20 before round 19? I dont getit, is it like a half round?

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

If they were planning something to do with the turf, then surely they could've negotiated with the FFA and arranged to be away on those weeks?

I call BS on the turf bullshit - so then the question is, why are we being screwed over?

I say we boycott those games, let them know we're not happy.

Are these 2 matches going to be taken out of the cost of a membership?

 

[FFC Mariner]

Simple really, if they expect us to pay for 2 games that "might" be moved from BT, they can go and get f**ked for a membership from me.

 

[Jesus]

If they have not confirmed where they will play the 2 games, for me that means they are waiting to see what the fans say.

They have not confirmed the venues yet as the games may still be played at home depending on how the pitch pulls up in the next two months or so.

If the pitch is shit what difference will those 2 matches make? We have had 2 seperate periods with a month of nothing on the pitch and it has made NO diference

 

[Jesus]

Simple really, if they expect us to pay for 2 games that "might" be moved from BT, they can go and get f**ked for a membership from me.

deffinately

 

[dibo]

I muffed my dates before:

3 Sat 22 Aug 2009 Sydney FC Home Bluetongue Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
4 Sat 29 Aug 2009 Queensland Roar Away Suncorp Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
5* Fri 4 Sep 2009 Perth Glory Home TBC 8.00pm 8.00pm
6 Fri 11 Sep 2009 Adelaide United Away Hindmarsh Stadium 8.00pm 7.30pm
7 Sat 19 Sep 2009 Gold Coast United Home Bluetongue Stadium 7.30pm 7.30pm
8 Sun 27 Sep 2009 Wellington Phoenix Away Westpac Stadium 3.00pm 5.00pm
9 Mon 5 Oct 2009 Sydney FC Away Sydney Football Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
10 Sun 11 Oct 2009 North Queensland Fury Home Bluetongue Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
11 Sat 17 Oct 2009 Queensland Roar Away Suncorp Stadium 7.00pm 6.00pm
12 Fri 23 Oct 2009 Newcastle Jets Away EnergyAustralia Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm
13* Sat 31 Oct 2009 Adelaide United Home TBC 7.00pm 7.00pm
14 Sat 7 Nov 2009 Melbourne Victory Away Etihad Stadium 7.00pm 7.00pm
15 Sat 21 Nov 2009 North Queensland Fury Away Dairy Farmers Stadium 9.00pm 8.00pm
16 Fri 27 Nov 2009 Perth Glory Home Bluetongue Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm

at present we've moved rounds 5 and 10. this creates two layoffs:
22/8/09 - 19/9/09 (28 days)
11/10/09 - 27/11/09 (47)
(28 + 47 = 75)

if resurfacing is the issue, why not move rounds 5 and 7, creating one layoff:
22/8/09 - 11/10/09 (50)

or rounds 7 and 10:
4/9/09 - 31/10/09 (57)

or even rounds 10 and 13:
19/9/09 - 27/11/09 (69)

Why two stints? Why not break at the later period, when better light and weather and most of all a longer continuous period of quiet might make for better growing? Surely they don't have to resurface twice.

There are a lot of questions to be asked. We don't have to, more to the point we shouldn't just swallow our home matches being moved elsewhere. Surface work may be the reason they're giving to members of the press but what they put in black and white in the actual draw document for all to see casts doubt.

FWIW, Parramatta would be really convenient for me personally. It's half an hour away from my house, rather than the hour and a bit. but my team is the Central Coast Mariners.

I have been travelling the up to four hour round-trips (nearly 50 of them, not counting away trips) for the last four years. I don't do this for the nice colours. I don't support them because they're called the Mariners. I support them because they are the Central Coast's team and that's where I'm from. Take away the Central Coast bit, there's not much point anymore.

 

[Bex]

Midfielder: I agree when you say that someone would step in if they tried on just offload the land, but...

The FFA would not be the ones doing the stepping in.

More likely the Wyong Council and/or the Wyong RSL who 'gave' the Mariners (in partnership?) the co joined lands to form the area that the Centre of Excellence is to be built on. But if the Council approves a loosely worded DA for the proposal then it may allow the developers that sits on our board, to hoard the land for a day when it becomes prime commercial property.

As I said, shonkier things have happened in real estate development, and I suppose it is up to us - the fans - and the Council and the Wyong RSL to keep pressing for commitments from the club for a timeline on this development and ensure it gets built. Has there been any news about this Centre since the big announcement late last year? Last I read, there was an estimated timeline in a press report about the various stages of development shortly after the Presentation to the RSL people, but I have heard nothing further since the GFC has hit.

Once it has been built, it will be hard for the board of the Mariners to turn their back on the Coast and make a move anywhere else.

I'd start getting worried if the question was asked and the club wouldn't commit to going any further in the proposed Centre of Excellence, so be on the lookout for news of stages of development being discussed in the local news for a positive outcome or news of delays, restructures or postponements if it's negative.

The Centre of Excellence is a Joint Venture between Mariners and Wyong RSL. The land was made available by Wyong RSL to the Joint Venture on the condition that it is developed as a Centre of Excellence including club and conference facilities. If that was not going to happen, then the Joint Venture would be illegal as the Wyong RSL voting members would have been misled.

Can also confirm that Mariners are still moving forward commercially with the design of a Centre of Excellence at Tuggerah.

Some so-called "supporters" on this forum (not aimed at you MidFielder) need to have a good hard look at themselves and ask whether they've become so pessimistic that they could potentially have a negative affect on the well-being of the club. Do we really have to assume the worst and flare up on a public forum the day of the draw and before we actually know anything?

 

[Jesus]

Midfielder: I agree when you say that someone would step in if they tried on just offload the land, but...

The FFA would not be the ones doing the stepping in.

More likely the Wyong Council and/or the Wyong RSL who 'gave' the Mariners (in partnership?) the co joined lands to form the area that the Centre of Excellence is to be built on. But if the Council approves a loosely worded DA for the proposal then it may allow the developers that sits on our board, to hoard the land for a day when it becomes prime commercial property.

As I said, shonkier things have happened in real estate development, and I suppose it is up to us - the fans - and the Council and the Wyong RSL to keep pressing for commitments from the club for a timeline on this development and ensure it gets built. Has there been any news about this Centre since the big announcement late last year? Last I read, there was an estimated timeline in a press report about the various stages of development shortly after the Presentation to the RSL people, but I have heard nothing further since the GFC has hit.

Once it has been built, it will be hard for the board of the Mariners to turn their back on the Coast and make a move anywhere else.

I'd start getting worried if the question was asked and the club wouldn't commit to going any further in the proposed Centre of Excellence, so be on the lookout for news of stages of development being discussed in the local news for a positive outcome or news of delays, restructures or postponements if it's negative.

The Centre of Excellence is a Joint Venture between Mariners and Wyong RSL. The land was made available by Wyong RSL to the Joint Venture on the condition that it is developed as a Centre of Excellence including club and conference facilities. If that was not going to happen, then the Joint Venture would be illegal as the Wyong RSL voting members would have been misled.

Can also confirm that Mariners are still moving forward commercially with the design of a Centre of Excellence at Tuggerah.

Some so-called "supporters" on this forum (not aimed at you MidFielder) need to have a good hard look at themselves and ask whether they've become so pessimistic that they could potentially have a negative affect on the well-being of the club. Do we really have to assume the worst and flare up on a public forum the day of the draw and before we actually know anything?

If the FFA/club are not going to state publicly that is comes down to the quality of the field? Then definately yes we should make noise

They had no trouble saying the bling matches were moved due to RL finals at homebush and sfs, and the edinborough tattoo at sfs/cricket at scg

 

[Bex]

If the FFA/club are not going to state publicly that is comes down to the quality of the field? Then definately yes we should make noise

They had no trouble saying the bling matches were moved due to RL finals at homebush and sfs, and the edinborough tattoo at sfs/cricket at scg

I have no problem with the questions and "making noise" if we're being ripped off, but to conclude that the Mariners are moving to Western Sydney on the basis of a draw where two home games have not had their location confirmed on the day that the news comes out is just f**king rediculous. To build on that argument is even more rediculous.

 

[marinerbhoy]

resurfacing is bullshit. have heard people in the corporates from the club expressing a desire to drop 'central coast' and just be known as mariners fc to grow appeal. the club wanted to move a home game to homebush once and this is just an extension of that ideal. there is another 4 members who will not renew if these games are moved and parramatta is a lot closer to dural than gosford for all of us.

 

[FFC Mariner]

If the FFA/club are not going to state publicly that is comes down to the quality of the field? Then definately yes we should make noise

They had no trouble saying the bling matches were moved due to RL finals at homebush and sfs, and the edinborough tattoo at sfs/cricket at scg

I have no problem with the questions and "making noise" if we're being ripped off, but to conclude that the Mariners are moving to Western Sydney on the basis of a draw where two home games have not had their location confirmed on the day that the news comes out is just f**king rediculous. To build on that argument is even more rediculous.

Well said.

As long as the memberships cater for the 2 "missing" games in some way, no problem.

 

[pjennings]

I muffed my dates before:

3 Sat 22 Aug 2009 Sydney FC Home Bluetongue Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
4 Sat 29 Aug 2009 Queensland Roar Away Suncorp Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
5* Fri 4 Sep 2009 Perth Glory Home TBC 8.00pm 8.00pm
6 Fri 11 Sep 2009 Adelaide United Away Hindmarsh Stadium 8.00pm 7.30pm
7 Sat 19 Sep 2009 Gold Coast United Home Bluetongue Stadium 7.30pm 7.30pm
8 Sun 27 Sep 2009 Wellington Phoenix Away Westpac Stadium 3.00pm 5.00pm
9 Mon 5 Oct 2009 Sydney FC Away Sydney Football Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
10 Sun 11 Oct 2009 North Queensland Fury Home Bluetongue Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
11 Sat 17 Oct 2009 Queensland Roar Away Suncorp Stadium 7.00pm 6.00pm
12 Fri 23 Oct 2009 Newcastle Jets Away EnergyAustralia Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm
13* Sat 31 Oct 2009 Adelaide United Home TBC 7.00pm 7.00pm
14 Sat 7 Nov 2009 Melbourne Victory Away Etihad Stadium 7.00pm 7.00pm
15 Sat 21 Nov 2009 North Queensland Fury Away Dairy Farmers Stadium 9.00pm 8.00pm
16 Fri 27 Nov 2009 Perth Glory Home Bluetongue Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm

at present we've moved rounds 5 and 10. this creates two layoffs:
22/8/09 - 19/9/09 (28 days)
11/10/09 - 27/11/09 (47)
(28 + 47 = 75)

if resurfacing is the issue, why not move rounds 5 and 7, creating one layoff:
22/8/09 - 11/10/09 (50)

or rounds 7 and 10:
4/9/09 - 31/10/09 (57)

or even rounds 10 and 13:
19/9/09 - 27/11/09 (69)

I see your point but if they are going to take games away from BTS I don't want to lose the chance to see Robbie Fowler or Jason Culina. Fowler in particular will draw people from Sydney as well.

However - if they are home games they should be at BTS!!

 

[dibo]

If the FFA/club are not going to state publicly that is comes down to the quality of the field? Then definately yes we should make noise

They had no trouble saying the bling matches were moved due to RL finals at homebush and sfs, and the edinborough tattoo at sfs/cricket at scg

I have no problem with the questions and "making noise" if we're being ripped off, but to conclude that the Mariners are moving to Western Sydney on the basis of a draw where two home games have not had their location confirmed on the day that the news comes out is just f**king rediculous. To build on that argument is even more rediculous.

Given that it's been talked about before I don't think it's even faintly ridiculous to be pissed off about this.

There was a very interesting story in the Tele quoting LG and all:

On page 11 of the Telegraph today in the Central Coast EXTRA section

                                            Mariners fans fury.

Possible plans to schedule one of  two Central Coast Mariners home games against Sydney FC at Homebush next season smacks of arrogance and was an insult to fans who had helped build the Mariners fan base supporters said yesterday.

President of the Mariners supporters club - The Marinators- Jeff Hall told the daily Telegraph yesterday while he and other fans encouraged soccers push into western Sydney it shouldnt come at Mariners fans expense.

I can understand them (Football Federation of Australia) wanting to move to western Sydney to grow the game but how about respecting the fact that were trying to grow the game on the Central Coast as well? Mr Hall said.

If the plans do eventuate the match would be the first A-League fixture at the Homebush ANZ Stadium.

The Central Coast will never be compensated for missing the funds that could have been injected into the region by holding the Grand Final here. And the same will happen by moving the Mariners v Jets (Im sure she means Bling) match to Homebush - the local economy misses out again

Id say the supporters would think about boycotting this game if it was shifted to Homebush. Its just so wrong on so many levels

Mr Halls fury follows criticism by Bluetongue Stadiums major sponsor John Singleton, who labelled the plan as dopey and said it was an insult to the Central Coast Mariners fans.

The Daily Telegraph contacted the FFA yesterday but a spokesman said it did not wish to comment on the matter.

Mariners chairman Lyall Gorman denied the Mariners home game would be shifted.

Theres nothing to talk about Mr Gorman said when asked about the possibility of the match being moved.

There have been no discussions advanced at this stage in regards to that. If there were, the first to know about those discussions would be the fans and supporters.

Hell, you yourself has pretty strong views at the time, which I think are pretty reasonable.

i agree that its gonna suck losing one of home games to our biggest enemies . .but to start talking about not renewing memberships . . .come on guys thats just silly . .we should support the club not matter where they played . . . .id still support them if they played at Energy Australia Stadium lol

Bring on the Lemmings, huh.

You're certainly welcome to do that, but I'm not going to get treated like crap and just sit back and take it.

I'm still pissed off about the grand final ticketing fiasco. Apart from the fact I had to travel to Sydney for a home grand final (with no subsidy on public transport), I also had to look into the sun the whole game, wy wife ended up standing up the back of the grandstand near the food outlets because she couldn't bear the heat. In the meantime, there were empty seats directly across the stadium in the shade that would have been way better. I was so glad I got preferential ticketing grrrrrr. Come to think of it, the away semi was no different - worst seats in the house looking straight at the sun.

Members get the best ride = blatant false advertising. As far as I can see, I was given a worse ride than the general public. What other benefits do we get other than a few stickers and a lanyard?

So that brings me back to a home game played in Sydney. Do members now pay for a full season and get forced to travel at their own expense to Sydney and then have to pay to get in? Going on previous form, I don't think we can assume it would be included. Its a different stadium owner so he is going to want to get paid. If Singo has a contract with CCM to play a certain amount of games at BlueTongue, I wouldn't blame Singo for enforcing the contract. So who else will pay if its not us?

 

[FFC Mariner]

So either LG was being less than frank or he was being dudded by the FFA.

If so, concerns exist over the club or FFA's commitment to the area.

Frankly, if they try to turn us into a nomadic side or de facto W Syd franchise (and there is no evidence of either, CEO's are less than frank with their customers all the time), I would find it v hard to support a N Eagles type debacle.

Anyone care to hazard a guess at PT's Sydney football roots??

 

[midfielder]

So either LG was being less than frank or he was being dudded by the FFA.

If so, concerns exist over the club or FFA's commitment to the area.

Frankly, if they try to turn us into a nomadic side or de facto W Syd franchise (and there is no evidence of either, CEO's are less than frank with their customers all the time), I would find it v hard to support a N Eagles type debacle.

Anyone care to hazard a guess at PT's Sydney football roots??

Penrith area in general I think ... don't hold me to it but in that general area.

 

[Arabmariner]

Why are the supporters again being ripped off. Word has it 2 home games to be played at Parramatta Stadium.

talk about jumping to conclusions and bagging out the club

the games being played elsewhere are because the ground surface needs major works

look at the draw and the block of away games around them meaning the stadium has many weeks to get our stadium

not ideal and probably a cop out by stadium but to blame the mariners is a joke

i'd very happily blame the club. see the draw doc - under round 5 notes it says:

Central Coast Mariners are looking at opportunities of taking their home games out of Gosford for two games.

If resurfacing was required, they could have said that.

We move a Round 5 game, play at home in Round 7, play at home in Round 10, and then play at some other place in Round 13. That doesn't make sense for resurfacing.

You'd think that if they're doing work at Round 5, then the work would be continuing over a period or there'd be a settling in period so the other moved match would be Round 7 and there'd be a layoff from Round 3 to Round 10. Instead we've got two matches moved against low drawing opposition hoping to cash in somewhere else.

Instead, 'looking at opportunities' stinks of screwing supporters and looking for cash. It's no better than the NRL, with mercenary teams playing wherever they'll get a paycheque. f**k them sideways - they should cop a bollocking for this.

+1

Testing the water in regards to becoming one of those nomadic clubs thats been spoken of lately perhaps? ie the South coast/west Sydney thing.

Time will tell but if that is the way they're thinking they can take my support and shove it where the sun don't shine.

I'll always support my local club but I've no interest in a nomadic one.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Sadly, if (and its a big if) they decide to do it, they will base it on market research that says they will make more $$.

They wont give a f**k about people like us

 

[Arabmariner]

Sadly, if (and its a big if) they decide to do it, they will base it on market research that says they will make more $$.

They wont give a f**k about people like us

Of course.

We're not supporters.

We're customers.

 

[midfielder]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/fowler-to-bring-football-back-to-scg-after-25-years-as-sky-bluesget-their-wish/2009/04/20/1240079605341.html

Last sentence in the article says ....Meanwhile, Central Coast Mariners are investigating taking two home games away from Gosford, with Canberra Stadium likely to be one of the venues.

Maybe to where we have relationships

 

[cruiser]

Sadly, this club is now starting to lose me with this kind of news. It appears they have their eyes set on another region. As far as I'm concerned its Central Coast and nothing else, especially bloody Canberra.