Mariners sell supporters short.... again

[Hagar the Horrible]

I presume that they did not comment at the launch, but Canberra is not in the FFA media guide as one of the grounds, while Parramatta is.

Rd 26. Sydney FC v Perth Glory, Parramatta Stadium

 

[marinermick]

None of us know exactly where these games will be played. Canberra is an easy target, great surface, good ground, 1 flight only for the Barrel Boys and the Glory Girls. Not, however, good for us, a 4 hour trip from the Coast.

I presume that they did not comment at the launch, but Canberra is not in the FFA media guide as one of the grounds, while Parramatta is. Not saying it won't be elsewhere, but until there is any official comment Parramatta is the most likely.

They did comment at launch when I asked the question as to the reason why.

They said it was to provide the stadium the opportunity to do necessary works on the pitch.

 

[clarence]

None of us know exactly where these games will be played. Canberra is an easy target, great surface, good ground, 1 flight only for the Barrel Boys and the Glory Girls. Not, however, good for us, a 4 hour trip from the Coast.

I presume that they did not comment at the launch, but Canberra is not in the FFA media guide as one of the grounds, while Parramatta is. Not saying it won't be elsewhere, but until there is any official comment Parramatta is the most likely.

They did comment at launch when I asked the question as to the reason why.

They said it was to provide the stadium the opportunity to do necessary works on the pitch.

Sorry Marinermick, but I smell something fishy about this.

The two games that are 'tbc' are a month apart in springtime - surely any new surface can get grown in lesser time than that? Any landscaper/gardener/horticulturist care to comment, as expert opinion is greatly appreciated.

If the games are moved to Parramatta, then I'm going to start smelling a rat, for what is to become of the team after V5 (when the franchise licences are up for renewal?).

I can remember some quite heated argument about the possibility of the 'Mariners' franchise being relocated to the west of Sydney - possibly playing out of Parramatta Stadium - some time back on this forum.

IF, a big 'if' but on the cards til they confirm the venue/s and make clear the franchises' intentions past V5, they play out of Parramatta Stadium, I think it might be the beginning of a testing of the waters out west. Bloody well hope not, as I can see the locals dropping the team pronto if they get wind of this "beagles" attitude.

 

[marinermick]

None of us know exactly where these games will be played. Canberra is an easy target, great surface, good ground, 1 flight only for the Barrel Boys and the Glory Girls. Not, however, good for us, a 4 hour trip from the Coast.

I presume that they did not comment at the launch, but Canberra is not in the FFA media guide as one of the grounds, while Parramatta is. Not saying it won't be elsewhere, but until there is any official comment Parramatta is the most likely.

They did comment at launch when I asked the question as to the reason why.

They said it was to provide the stadium the opportunity to do necessary works on the pitch.

Sorry Marinermick, but I smell something fishy about this.

The two games that are 'tbc' are a month apart in springtime - surely any new surface can get grown in lesser time than that? Any landscaper/gardener/horticulturist care to comment, as expert opinion is greatly appreciated.

If the games are moved to Parramatta, then I'm going to start smelling a rat, for what is to become of the team after V5 (when the franchise licences are up for renewal?).

I can remember some quite heated argument about the possibility of the 'Mariners' franchise being relocated to the west of Sydney - possibly playing out of Parramatta Stadium - some time back on this forum.

IF, a big 'if' but on the cards til they confirm the venue/s and make clear the franchises' intentions past V5, they play out of Parramatta Stadium, I think it might be the beginning of a testing of the waters out west. Bloody well hope not, as I can see the locals dropping the team pronto if they get wind of this "beagles" attitude.

well, when you look at the amount of away games either side of these games it is logical that the time would be used for ground works

the second one of these will mean nearly two months of works when you include international weekends

however, you can subscribe to the conspiracy theory if you like - no skin off my nose

 

[Blackadder]

Would prefer they look at a regional area that doesn't get A-League exposure (eg Wollongong,Bathurst,Orange etc)
As long as this is done for the right reasons (trying to improve the playing surface), while not thrilled at the idea of "home" games away from Gosford can hope it achieves the desired result.

 

[clarence]

None of us know exactly where these games will be played. Canberra is an easy target, great surface, good ground, 1 flight only for the Barrel Boys and the Glory Girls. Not, however, good for us, a 4 hour trip from the Coast.

I presume that they did not comment at the launch, but Canberra is not in the FFA media guide as one of the grounds, while Parramatta is. Not saying it won't be elsewhere, but until there is any official comment Parramatta is the most likely.

They did comment at launch when I asked the question as to the reason why.

They said it was to provide the stadium the opportunity to do necessary works on the pitch.

Sorry Marinermick, but I smell something fishy about this.

The two games that are 'tbc' are a month apart in springtime - surely any new surface can get grown in lesser time than that? Any landscaper/gardener/horticulturist care to comment, as expert opinion is greatly appreciated.

If the games are moved to Parramatta, then I'm going to start smelling a rat, for what is to become of the team after V5 (when the franchise licences are up for renewal?).

I can remember some quite heated argument about the possibility of the 'Mariners' franchise being relocated to the west of Sydney - possibly playing out of Parramatta Stadium - some time back on this forum.

IF, a big 'if' but on the cards til they confirm the venue/s and make clear the franchises' intentions past V5, they play out of Parramatta Stadium, I think it might be the beginning of a testing of the waters out west. Bloody well hope not, as I can see the locals dropping the team pronto if they get wind of this "beagles" attitude.

well, when you look at the amount of away games either side of these games it is logical that the time would be used for ground works

the second one of these will mean nearly two months of works when you include international weekends

however, you can subscribe to the conspiracy theory if you like - no skin off my nose

Marinermick, I try to be more of a realist, but there's been scheduled work on the stadium's surface for a lot of times over the last few years. The pump, drainage issues, surface issues, prior usage damage etc. - a lot of times this has been made known after embarrassing comments about the stadium. And these matters have inconvenienced their one and only regular tenant, not the casuals they sometimes attract.

Just this last season we had to endure a crappy surface which should have been fixed before the season started. And it dragged on all season, eventually resulting in what looked like a total resurface on the TV, for the ACL match vs. Pohang.

Why the stadium cannot ready the surface for the Central Coast Mariners fixtures and f**k off anything they have planned prior to the start of the season is disrespectful to their major tenant, imho.

When talking to the club did they give a detailed sort of reply or did they just say "stadium work" to you?

And until they make clear their intentions past this upcoming A-League season, the possibility of relocating to Parramatta and taking up a western Sydney franchise does linger like the possibility of a wet fart in the pants (you know it can happen but no one wants to admit to it happening to them  ;D ).

 

[midfielder]

None of us know exactly where these games will be played. Canberra is an easy target, great surface, good ground, 1 flight only for the Barrel Boys and the Glory Girls. Not, however, good for us, a 4 hour trip from the Coast.

I presume that they did not comment at the launch, but Canberra is not in the FFA media guide as one of the grounds, while Parramatta is. Not saying it won't be elsewhere, but until there is any official comment Parramatta is the most likely.

They did comment at launch when I asked the question as to the reason why.

They said it was to provide the stadium the opportunity to do necessary works on the pitch.

Sorry Marinermick, but I smell something fishy about this.

The two games that are 'tbc' are a month apart in springtime - surely any new surface can get grown in lesser time than that? Any landscaper/gardener/horticulturist care to comment, as expert opinion is greatly appreciated.

If the games are moved to Parramatta, then I'm going to start smelling a rat, for what is to become of the team after V5 (when the franchise licences are up for renewal?).

I can remember some quite heated argument about the possibility of the 'Mariners' franchise being relocated to the west of Sydney - possibly playing out of Parramatta Stadium - some time back on this forum.

IF, a big 'if' but on the cards til they confirm the venue/s and make clear the franchises' intentions past V5, they play out of Parramatta Stadium, I think it might be the beginning of a testing of the waters out west. Bloody well hope not, as I can see the locals dropping the team pronto if they get wind of this "beagles" attitude.

You have a point although I cannot see the centre of excellence becoming achievable without a Gosford home base.

I think the club management need to explain in reasonable detail ... my reading of the tea leafs is a WS team is going to Parramatta stadium so a chance to help build Parrmatta as a football stadium... extra money like PG and AU are not big crowd pullers so maybe see if they can get a better crowd in Sydney. Finally it could be a kinda wake up call to local media / population ... its your team but only if you support it ... like 14 to 17 K per match not 8 to 9 K.

 

[clarence]

Well, midfielder, the Mariners have pulled 14 - 17K in matches and the formula was quite simply. Win well and often and the crowds will get behind you.

You cannot expect people to pack up their youngish family to Bluetongue only to have kids fidget about, get restless and show a lack of interest because the local team is getting flogged or scraping through with boring draws - at home. Most families will only do that once.

And this point you raised....

You have a point although I cannot see the centre of excellence becoming achievable without a Gosford home base.

They go through the DA process, get entitlement to the land, have an open ended time limit on the development, then if they move to Western Sydney, either down size the development or hold the land for a number of years then off load it later for a profit with a DA attached, as industrial/commercial land?

Shonkier things have happened in the real property business over the years....

 

[Jesus]

If they have not confirmed where they will play the 2 games, for me that means they are waiting to see what the fans say. I say f**k WSyd, fcj canberra, f**k north syd, all home games at bluey. Mariners for the coast.

No doubt ffa wanting to test markets in west sydney and canberra.

I am going to assume that these matches will not be included in membership packs if not at "home", but if they are going to rort us, we should get free entry to them as members.

 

[Part_Timer]

DISGRACE....

 

[marinermick]

If they have not confirmed where they will play the 2 games, for me that means they are waiting to see what the fans say.

They have not confirmed the venues yet as the games may still be played at home depending on how the pitch pulls up in the next two months or so.

 

[midfielder]

Well, midfielder, the Mariners have pulled 14 - 17K in matches and the formula was quite simply. Win well and often and the crowds will get behind you.

They go through the DA process, get entitlement to the land, have an open ended time limit on the development, then if they move to Western Sydney, either down size the development or hold the land for a number of years then off load it later for a profit with a DA attached, as industrial/commercial land?

Shonkier things have happened in the real property business over the years....
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Clarence

Those crowds of 14 to 17 where in Hal 3 with Aloi$i and the Sydney & Scum matches at the end of the season we still scrapped in uner 13 K for the year thro.

I cannot see just getting the DA will get them the land to on sell would cause FFA to step in an
do something ...

There is some good news in the draw we only have one Sunday home match...

1 Thu 6 Aug 2009 Melbourne Victory Away Etihad Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm
2 Fri 14 Aug 2009 Newcastle Jets Home Bluetongue Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm
3 Sat 22 Aug 2009 Sydney FC Home Bluetongue Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
4 Sat 29 Aug 2009 Queensland Roar Away Suncorp Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
5* Fri 4 Sep 2009 Perth Glory Home TBC 8.00pm 8.00pm
6 Fri 11 Sep 2009 Adelaide United Away Hindmarsh Stadium 8.00pm 7.30pm
7 Sat 19 Sep 2009 Gold Coast United Home Bluetongue Stadium 7.30pm 7.30pm
8 Sun 27 Sep 2009 Wellington Phoenix Away Westpac Stadium 3.00pm 5.00pm
9 Mon 5 Oct 2009 Sydney FC Away Sydney Football Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
10 Sun 11[ Oct 2009 North Queensland Fury Home Bluetongue Stadium 3.00pm 3.00pm
11 Sat 17 Oct 2009 Queensland Roar Away Suncorp Stadium 7.00pm 6.00pm
12 Fri 23 Oct 2009 Newcastle Jets Away EnergyAustralia Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm
13* Sat 31 Oct 2009 Adelaide United Home TBC 7.00pm 7.00pm
14 Sat 7 Nov 2009 Melbourne Victory Away Etihad Stadium 7.00pm 7.00pm
15 Sat 21 Nov 2009 North Queensland Fury Away Dairy Farmers Stadium 9.00pm 8.00pm
16 Fri 27 Nov 2009 Perth Glory Home Bluetongue Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm
17 Sat 5 Dec 2009 Gold Coast United Away Skilled Park 9.00pm 8.00pm
18 Sat 12 Dec 2009 Melbourne Victory Home Bluetongue Stadium 7.00pm 7.00pm
19 Wed 23 Dec 2009 Sydney FC Away Sydney Football Stadium 7.30pm 7.30pm
20 Sat 19 Dec 2009 Queensland Roar Home Bluetongue Stadium 6.00pm 6.00pm
21 Thu 31 Dec 2009 Wellington Phoenix Home Bluetongue Stadium 6.00pm 6.00pm
22 Sat 9 Jan 2010 North Queensland Fury Home Bluetongue Stadium 7.00pm 7.00pm
23 Fri 15 Jan 2010 Adelaide United Away Hindmarsh Stadium 8.00pm 7.30pm
24 Fri 22 Jan 2010 Gold Coast United Home Bluetongue Stadium 8.00pm 8.00pm
25 Sun 31 Jan 2010 Perth Glory Away Members Equity Stadium 7.00pm 5.00pm
26 Sat 6 Feb 2010 Newcastle Jets Home Bluetongue Stadium 6.00pm 6.00pm
27 Fri 12 Feb 2010 Wellington Phoenix Away Westpac Stadium 5.30pm 7.30pm

 

[clarence]

Midfielder: I agree when you say that someone would step in if they tried on just offload the land, but...

The FFA would not be the ones doing the stepping in.

More likely the Wyong Council and/or the Wyong RSL who 'gave' the Mariners (in partnership?) the co joined lands to form the area that the Centre of Excellence is to be built on. But if the Council approves a loosely worded DA for the proposal then it may allow the developers that sits on our board, to hoard the land for a day when it becomes prime commercial property.

As I said, shonkier things have happened in real estate development, and I suppose it is up to us - the fans - and the Council and the Wyong RSL to keep pressing for commitments from the club for a timeline on this development and ensure it gets built. Has there been any news about this Centre since the big announcement late last year? Last I read, there was an estimated timeline in a press report about the various stages of development shortly after the Presentation to the RSL people, but I have heard nothing further since the GFC has hit.

Once it has been built, it will be hard for the board of the Mariners to turn their back on the Coast and make a move anywhere else.

I'd start getting worried if the question was asked and the club wouldn't commit to going any further in the proposed Centre of Excellence, so be on the lookout for news of stages of development being discussed in the local news for a positive outcome or news of delays, restructures or postponements if it's negative.

 

[clarence]

If they have not confirmed where they will play the 2 games, for me that means they are waiting to see what the fans say.

They have not confirmed the venues yet as the games may still be played at home depending on how the pitch pulls up in the next two months or so.

Word from the Treasurer of the Household is that no money will be spent on any season tickets until the full draw is known.
Not keen to spend the $$ then find you have to:
a) travel a distance to some other stadium ( & Cost of travelling unknown at this stage)[if you have the cost of those matches factored into your season ticket], or..
b) possibly spend $$ for tickets in seats at another stadium on top of the season ticket. and......
c) possibly scramble for seating allocation , ala GF tix.

 

[Marquee]

I'll be really peeved if they move the two games away from Bluetongue. I'm with Jesus... Mariners for the Coast.

If the reasoning is the condition of the ground, well then frankly it's piss poor. Bluey has half the games other stadiums do, plenty of time to get the grass right.

If it's about testing new waters or even the conspiracy theory going around here, it will be detrimental to the community image.

The club and others on here might have other ideas, but if an avoidable decision is made to move games to Sydney, I as a fan will not be happy.

 

[Sean]

Hopefully the club answers this post:
Why is the 19th of December after the 23rd this year?

 

[Sean]

If these two away home matches are counted in the price of the membership package, as well as no concession allowance and no post match functions - i might reconsider membership this year. Maybe major downgrade to gen. admission

This gives a big incentive for us to move bay as some of us wont want to pay that extra amount to stand in the bay.

 

[marinermick]

Hopefully the club answers this post:
Why is the 19th of December after the 23rd this year?

because round 19 is spread over six weeks:

Round 19
Weds 16 Dec Brissy v Fury
Weds 23 Dec Syd v Mariners
Weds 13 Jan GC v Jets
Weds 19 Jan Adel v Perth
Weds 26 Jan Victory v Welly

 

[offtheball]

If ground maintenance is essential, why can't the Mariners play these scheduled home games away? Then catch up on these home games in the next round. In essence playing four or five home games in a row.

 

[marinermick]

If ground maintenance is essential, why can't the Mariners play these scheduled home games away? Then catch up on these home games in the next round. In essence playing four or five home games in a row.

they already play 6 home games from none towards the end of the season

i guess over saturation would become a problem, but this idea is certainly preferable than playing away