"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

[Roy Law]

If the ALP lob in another $10m for the CoE they will get my vote...again!

 

[midfielder]

[Midfielder
ALP can still win/quote]

tells us your grand plan middy.

Two reasons.
First
At some stage Abbott must start to say what he going to do... not opposition leader has won office without reasonably extensive details about what they plan to do... TA has provided very little...

Hawke ... re set the labour and business laws ... hold a big meeting.... a plan to redefine our labour and business laws.
Howard ... about 15 months out Howard starting holding monthly briefing on what would drive Liberal policy making... not the policy itself but how they would make decisions ...

Rudd... make labour laws fairer... improve business... social issues like boat people would be improved...

Second
The ALP has been attacking TA non stop ... ie playing the man and its starting to bite ... while at the same time saying it is he who is the attacker ... its very clever...

TB... essentially an opposition has to say what they can do... if you look at some of Howards & Keatings polls you would never have given them a chance 6 to 9 months out... thats why if Rudd gets the nob in June as I expect he will go fairly quickly to an election... why will Rudd get the nod in June because of the Ch 9 doco on how JG came to power...

 

[midfielder]

Just on politics ... love this from the late George Carlin... wonders aloud if it has any truth in the Australian context... BTW its a tad over the top and lots of swearing so do watch if swearing and over the top does not float your boat...

 

[true believer]

[Midfielder
ALP can still win/quote]



Two reasons.
First
At some stage Abbott must start to say what he going to do... not opposition leader has won office without reasonably extensive details about what they plan to do... TA has provided very little...


howard never offered a policy in 96. the libs never do

Hawke ... re set the labour and business laws ... hold a big meeting.... a plan to redefine our labour and business laws.
Howard ... about 15 months out Howard starting holding monthly briefing on what would drive Liberal policy making... not the policy itself but how they would make decisions ...

Rudd... make labour laws fairer... improve business... social issues like boat people would be improved...

labor always has to have a plan. but after howards 22% interest and 13% inflation
after the 81 "fist full of dollars" debarcale it was never gunna be a constest

Second
The ALP has been attacking TA non stop ... ie playing the man and its starting to bite ... while at the same time saying it is he who is the attacker ... its very clever...

he's a shit sandwich .still you need to read the telly,australian ,9,10 and 7 .plus unlimited
gina dollars it's all about boats. 80% of mining profits will go overseas but you won't be hearing that.

TB... essentially an opposition has to say what they can do... if you look at some of Howards & Keatings polls you would never have given them a chance 6 to 9 months out... thats why if Rudd gets the nob in June as I expect he will go fairly quickly to an election... why will Rudd get the nod in June because of the Ch 9 doco on how JG came to power...

won't happen . our only chance is to declare war on New Zealand

 

[true believer]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THE LIBERAL
PARTY 2013 ELECTION MANIFESTO

good luck with that

• Repeal the carbon tax, and don't replace it. It will be one thing to remove the burden of the carbon tax from the Australian economy. But if it is just replaced by another costly scheme, most of the benefits will be undone.
• Abolish the Department of Climate Change
• Abolish the Clean Energy Fund
• Repeal Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act
• Abandon Australia's bid for a seat on the United Nations Security Council
• Repeal the renewable energy target
• Return income taxing powers to the states
• Abolish the Commonwealth Grants Commission
• Abolish the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission
• Withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol
• Introduce fee competition to Australian universities
• Repeal the National Curriculum
• Introduce competing private secondary school curriculums
• Abolish the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA)
• Eliminate laws that require radio and television broadcasters to be 'balanced'
• Abolish television spectrum licensing and devolve spectrum management to the common law
• End local content requirements for Australian television stations
• Eliminate family tax benefits
• Abandon the paid parental leave scheme
• Means-test Medicare
• End all corporate welfare and subsidies by closing the Department of Industry, Innovation, Science, Research and Tertiary Education
• Introduce voluntary voting
• End mandatory disclosures on political donations
• End media blackout in final days of election campaigns
• End public funding to political parties
• Remove anti-dumping laws
• Eliminate media ownership restrictions
• Abolish the Foreign Investment Review Board
• Eliminate the National Preventative Health Agency
• Cease subsidising the car industry
• Formalise a one-in, one-out approach to regulatory reduction
• Rule out federal funding for 2018 Commonwealth Games
• Deregulate the parallel importation of books
• End preferences for Industry Super Funds in workplace relations laws
• Legislate a cap on government spending and tax as a percentage of GDP
• Legislate a balanced budget amendment which strictly limits the size of budget deficits and the period the federal government can be in deficit
• Force government agencies to put all of their spending online in a searchable database
• Repeal plain packaging for cigarettes and rule it out for all other products, including alcohol and fast food
• Reintroduce voluntary student unionism at universities
• Introduce a voucher scheme for secondary schools
• Repeal the alcopops tax
• Introduce a special economic zone in the north of Australia including:
• a) Lower personal income tax for residents
• b) Significantly expanded 457 Visa programs for workers
• c) Encourage the construction of dams
• Repeal the mining tax
• Devolve environmental approvals for major projects to the states
• Introduce a single rate of income tax with a generous tax-free threshold
• Cut company tax to an internationally competitive rate of 25 per cent
• Cease funding the Australia Network
• Privatise Australia Post
• Privatise Medibank
• Break up the ABC and put out to tender each individual function
• Privatise SBS
• Reduce the size of the public service from current levels of more than 260,000 to at least the 2001 low of 212,784
• Repeal the Fair Work Act
• Allow individuals and employers to negotiate directly terms of employment that suit them
• Encourage independent contracting by overturning new regulations designed to punish contractors
• Abolish the Baby Bonus
• Abolish the First Home Owners' Grant
• Allow the Northern Territory to become a state
• Halve the size of the Coalition front bench from 32 to 16
• Remove all remaining tariff and non-tariff barriers to international trade
• Slash top public servant salaries to much lower international standards, like in the United States
• End all public subsidies to sport and the arts
• Privatise the Australian Institute of Sport
• End all hidden protectionist measures, such as preferences for local manufacturers in government tendering
• Abolish the Office for Film and Literature Classification
• Rule out any government-supported or mandated internet censorship
• Means test tertiary student loans
• Allow people to opt out of superannuation in exchange for promising to forgo any government income support in retirement
• Immediately halt construction of the National Broadband Network and privatise any sections that have already been built
• End all government funded Nanny State advertising
• Reject proposals for compulsory food and alcohol labelling
• Privatise the CSIRO
• Defund Harmony Day
• Close the Office for Youth
• Privatise the Snowy-Hydro Scheme

 

[Einstein]

More Union scare mongering!

 

[true believer]

More Union scare mongering!

no it was the agenda of IPA .
It was the most exclusive of events: a glittering $500 minimum per head gala fundraising dinner last week for a right-wing think tank. Tony Abbott, Gina Rinehart and Rupert Mudoch took turns sharing the stage. Andrew Bolt was MC. Tony praised his fellow key-note speakers, especially Rupert, and promised the crowd a "big yes" to many of the think tank's list of 75 policies to radically transform Australia.

scare mongering? tonys good at it

 

[Einstein]

no it was the agenda of IPA .
It was the most exclusive of events: a glittering $500 minimum per head gala fundraising dinner last week for a right-wing think tank. Tony Abbott, Gina Rinehart and Rupert Mudoch took turns sharing the stage. Andrew Bolt was MC. Tony praised his fellow key-note speakers, especially Rupert, and promised the crowd a "big yes" to many of the think tank's list of 75 policies to radically transform Australia.

scare mongering? tonys good at it

Many??? You are lying!!!
And I know this with good reason.
Abbott gave the "big yes" to TEN yes that's right 10!!!!!!!!! NOT MANY
1.Repeal the carbon tax, and don’t replace it. It will be one thing to remove the burden of the carbon tax from the Australian economy. But if it is just replaced by another costly scheme, most of the benefits will be undone.
2. Abolish the Department of Climate Change
3. Abolish the Clean Energy Fund
4.Repeal Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act
5. Repeal the renewable energy target
6.Introduce a special economic zone in the north of Australia including:

a) Lower personal income tax for residents​

b) Significantly expanded 457 Visa programs for workers​

c) Encourage the construction of dams​

7. Repeal the mining tax
8.Devolve environmental approvals for major projects to the states
9. Privatise Medibank
10.Immediately halt construction of the National Broadband Network and privatise any sections that have already been built
http://australiansforhonestpolitics...to-to-10-of-the-ipas-75-radical-ideas-so-far/

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[true believer]

the australian for f sake .who's lying champ? i guess it wasn't a union piece either.

6.Introduce a special economic zone in the north of Australia including:

a) Lower personal income tax for residents​

b) Significantly expanded 457 Visa programs for workers​

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just on this piece . gina and all the other "residents" paying less tax .the f'king accounts will love that.​

add that to a million chinese and indians on 6 bucks an hour. all employed through labor hire ,of course. what a winner for australia there. then you can turn the 80% of mining profits going overseas to​

maybe 95% .​

no wonder the miners will be backing "can do tony" all the way​

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[midfielder]

I heard...

Libs plan to sell our children to the highest bidder and privatise all government departments...

ALP plans to introduce an act whereby all land with a value over $ 100, 000 is to become the property of the government and sold off to the Chinese ....

Truthful Jones told me these things...

 

[Mumbles]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THE LIBERAL
PARTY 2013 ELECTION MANIFESTO

good luck with that

• Repeal the carbon tax, and don't replace it. It will be one thing to remove the burden of the carbon tax from the Australian economy. But if it is just replaced by another costly scheme, most of the benefits will be undone.
• Abolish the Department of Climate Change
• Abolish the Clean Energy Fund
• Repeal Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act
• Abandon Australia's bid for a seat on the United Nations Security Council
• Repeal the renewable energy target
• Return income taxing powers to the states
• Abolish the Commonwealth Grants Commission
• Abolish the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission
• Withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol
• Introduce fee competition to Australian universities
• Repeal the National Curriculum
• Introduce competing private secondary school curriculums
• Abolish the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA)
• Eliminate laws that require radio and television broadcasters to be 'balanced'
• Abolish television spectrum licensing and devolve spectrum management to the common law
• End local content requirements for Australian television stations
• Eliminate family tax benefits
• Abandon the paid parental leave scheme
• Means-test Medicare
• End all corporate welfare and subsidies by closing the Department of Industry, Innovation, Science, Research and Tertiary Education
• Introduce voluntary voting
• End mandatory disclosures on political donations
• End media blackout in final days of election campaigns
• End public funding to political parties
• Remove anti-dumping laws
• Eliminate media ownership restrictions
• Abolish the Foreign Investment Review Board
• Eliminate the National Preventative Health Agency
• Cease subsidising the car industry
• Formalise a one-in, one-out approach to regulatory reduction
• Rule out federal funding for 2018 Commonwealth Games
• Deregulate the parallel importation of books
• End preferences for Industry Super Funds in workplace relations laws
• Legislate a cap on government spending and tax as a percentage of GDP
• Legislate a balanced budget amendment which strictly limits the size of budget deficits and the period the federal government can be in deficit
• Force government agencies to put all of their spending online in a searchable database
• Repeal plain packaging for cigarettes and rule it out for all other products, including alcohol and fast food
• Reintroduce voluntary student unionism at universities
• Introduce a voucher scheme for secondary schools
• Repeal the alcopops tax
• Introduce a special economic zone in the north of Australia including:
• a) Lower personal income tax for residents
• b) Significantly expanded 457 Visa programs for workers
• c) Encourage the construction of dams
• Repeal the mining tax
• Devolve environmental approvals for major projects to the states
• Introduce a single rate of income tax with a generous tax-free threshold
• Cut company tax to an internationally competitive rate of 25 per cent
• Cease funding the Australia Network
• Privatise Australia Post
• Privatise Medibank
• Break up the ABC and put out to tender each individual function
• Privatise SBS
• Reduce the size of the public service from current levels of more than 260,000 to at least the 2001 low of 212,784
• Repeal the Fair Work Act
• Allow individuals and employers to negotiate directly terms of employment that suit them
• Encourage independent contracting by overturning new regulations designed to punish contractors
• Abolish the Baby Bonus
• Abolish the First Home Owners' Grant
• Allow the Northern Territory to become a state
• Halve the size of the Coalition front bench from 32 to 16
• Remove all remaining tariff and non-tariff barriers to international trade
• Slash top public servant salaries to much lower international standards, like in the United States
• End all public subsidies to sport and the arts
• Privatise the Australian Institute of Sport
• End all hidden protectionist measures, such as preferences for local manufacturers in government tendering
• Abolish the Office for Film and Literature Classification
• Rule out any government-supported or mandated internet censorship
• Means test tertiary student loans
• Allow people to opt out of superannuation in exchange for promising to forgo any government income support in retirement
• Immediately halt construction of the National Broadband Network and privatise any sections that have already been built
• End all government funded Nanny State advertising
• Reject proposals for compulsory food and alcohol labelling
• Privatise the CSIRO
• Defund Harmony Day
• Close the Office for Youth
• Privatise the Snowy-Hydro Scheme

Cool ! Bring it on

 

[Mumbles]

The cost of living for the average joe is just plain f#king stupid. Good hard working decent people can't pay their bills and feed their families while carrying the burden of a poorly run country. Piss off all of these bogus schemes and excess government employees, lower taxes and reward those who still have the great work ethic that built this nation.

Ship all the unemployed to the special economic zone. Don't import more labour with fraudulent qualifications.

457 visa program is possibly the worst scheme of all. Anthrax for the manufacturing industry. Dump it and subsidize apprentice wages or give them a tax free income for four years.

 

[style_cafe]

The cost of living for the average joe is just plain f#king stupid. Good hard working decent people can't pay their bills and feed their families while carrying the burden of a poorly run country.

The cost of living went up by more than 10% when the GST was introduced by Howard (after he said there`d be no GST)
I don`t know anyone that can`t pay their bills or feed their family.I`m sure there may be a few but they wouldn`t amount to any great percentage.Besides that there are Govt assistance programs.
A triple A credit rating from each of the 3 ratings companies explodes Tony Abbotts scare campaign that the country is poorly run. We are the envy of the world on that front.


Piss off all of these bogus schemes and excess government employees, lower taxes and reward those who still have the great work ethic that built this nation.

What are the bogus schemes you talk about?
Don`t confuse Federal & state govt. jobs.Where are the excess govt employees?
Taxes have just been lowered! The threshold has just been changed from $6,00o to $18,200-
http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.aspx?doc=/content/00322113.htm

Ship all the unemployed to the special economic zone.
What if they don`t want to live in Queensland?

Don't import more labour with fraudulent qualifications.
I totally agree but how many have bogus qualifications?
Employers of 457 visa holders have to meet certain requirements

457 visa program is possibly the worst scheme of all. Anthrax for the manufacturing industry. Dump it and subsidize apprentice wages or give them a tax free income for four years.
The 457 visa program works as long as the actual job offered is extensively advertised.
Anthrax for the manufacturing industry = CHINA not 457`s
Apprentice wages are already subsidised in many industries.When you add that to the new tax thresholds it means that the first $350- a week the apprentice earns is tax free.A lot better now than when I was an apprentice.

 

[Mumbles]

I hear you. Maybe we work in two different worlds.
I'm obviously no political expert but I do see countless schemes that have little benefit to employers or employees often due to rorting middle men who aren't managed. The energy saving scheme and the training schemes are two examples.
Maybe the schemes are implemented in good faith but not measured for effectiveness at a later date.

My staff live and work in Sydney. Rents are high, food is expensive, and other basic needs for people supporting families.
Wages? Yep I give my guys increases every year. Many have received 20% over the past five years and they still struggle without a second job.

 

[Mumbles]

457's - from my experience skilled workers use this scheme to get a visa and them leave to find work elsewhere. This has happened to us and others I know. There is a market in certain countries for producing fake qualification documents for the purpose of obtaining a 457. Once the person arrives and begins work they are usually found to be unsuitable (not qualified) and they disappear.

Less frequent for UK and Euro candidates but we've had one recently. We've only looked at tradesmen.

 

[style_cafe]

I hear you. Maybe we work in two different worlds.
I'm obviously no political expert but I do see countless schemes that have little benefit to employers or employees often due to rorting middle men who aren't managed. The energy saving scheme and the training schemes are two examples.
Maybe the schemes are implemented in good faith but not measured for effectiveness at a later date.

My staff live and work in Sydney. Rents are high, food is expensive, and other basic needs for people supporting families.
Wages? Yep I give my guys increases every year. Many have received 20% over the past five years and they still struggle without a second job.

Mumbles it`s the "rorting middlemen" that are the problem.If you have a problem with them just contact the relavant minister to complain.
You also have to be aware that Murdoch controls Tony Abbott.That`s why the mainstream media don`t give the Libs negative comments & Labour never get positive comment.
Look at the Bolt report on channel 10. It`s a liberal party propaganda program...

Many of the schemes have received negative comments from Abbott (go figure) The BER was unashameably bashed as a failure, yet an independent audit showed that the scheme had a 97% success rate. Only 3% of complaints were found to be warranted.
The insulation scheme was also bashed but thousands of houses were insulated with all the benefits (employment,lower emmissions,power savings etc).The scheme was funded by the Feds & controlled under State Laws for the contractors.It was the States that failed the scheme not the Feds.

 

[style_cafe]

Just some information from the INDEPENDENT MEDIA

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/time-to-end-tony-abbotts-deceitful-debt-campaign/

 

[hasbeen]

Just some information from the INDEPENDENT MEDIA

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/time-to-end-tony-abbotts-deceitful-debt-campaign/

The link doesn't work and is obviously a pro-Labor site masquerading under the banner 'independent".

 

[style_cafe]

The link doesn't work and is obviously a pro-Labor site masquerading under the banner 'independent".

It works for me.
You could have a lose nut behind your keyboard...

 

[style_cafe]

We can only hope ... and of course Dullard is denying she knew of his impending arrest before she called the election date. This and the Obeid drama only reinforces the image of Labor being rotten to the core.

LOL ..where`s your mate Torbay....lol