CCM Fans and the club

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I know some people have you being optimistic. I would say given recent license prices for non existent clubs means you are probably closer to the mark. My read is that MC is not after a buyout - but other investors.I have no doubt given the right amount he would sell - but not everyone can sell a TV station to Alan Bond.

Plenty have speculated that he is here to make money out of a property venture but in reality if he got $20m I doubt he would be walking away with much after paying off debts, sustaining losses and investing in the COE.

Given he was owed 9 in his mind by shareholders like 12 months ago, he's probably done another 2-4 given the shit state of the club. So 13 is his break even by my guess. But the club has a long term lease at the stadium, it had a CoE and it had good will.... All that is worth something.
Regardless he said he doesn't want to sell, he wants investors. That means selling a share. He wouldn't take 8.5 for 100% but he will probs take it for 49%...

 

[Wombat]

PJ

He probably got the COE land for next to nothing as the then Wyong Mayor was on the shady side of corruptness (allegedly).
He then got massive grants to build on the land from the State Govt and Gosford Council.

From this he got probably the best 6 a side complex built in the Country from some Scottish investors....not sure if they still own the investment...they were shirt front investors for 1 season.
The facility appears to be at full capacity every time im there so its profitable.

He then built a decent Swimming pool...for the players rehab and to make money. Its now booked out and makes a profit.

He then built a 5 story office block that houses the Mariners Corporate offices, Micky G';s coffee shop, Mediacl centre and heaps of Corporate offices................again most likey it makes a profit.

He then built a clubhouse.....very nice beer and pizza....overlooking the 1 single COE pitch which is average so they dont use it. I'm not sure if this facility turns a profit.

The Pikey story that he would build a Gym, A 3000 seat staduim and a motel remain unfulfilled dreams......meaning he has probably invested zero dollars of his own money into the COE.

 

[style_cafe]

I know some people have you being optimistic. I would say given recent license prices for non existent clubs means you are probably closer to the mark. My read is that MC is not after a buyout - but other investors.I have no doubt given the right amount he would sell - but not everyone can sell a TV station to Alan Bond.

Plenty have speculated that he is here to make money out of a property venture but in reality if he got $20m I doubt he would be walking away with much after paying off debts, sustaining losses and investing in the COE.

Didn`t we get a $10m grant from the Government for the COE?

 

[style_cafe]

I would imagine that $20m wouldn`t be far from the asking price considering what is at the COE

 

[Michael]

I Know for a fact that nyl boys are leaving. nobody likes junna, or occonnor. the archaic out of fkking touch coachng ccm is gonna lose of lot of good players. i am so pissed with what is going down at mariners. i could say a whole lot more but i can't or wont'

What’s stopping you from saying more? Are you a club employee? Did you sign an NDA? Grow a set and say what if anything you may know. What will happen?
Any regular posters on here that know anything going on with the club especially in these dark days come here to inform the others that genuinely care.

 

[Michael]

Extremely frustrating that a real offer was rejected. It would be complicated process ofcourse, with the COE etc. Hope there really is other “suitors”. Wouldn’t get too carried away though.

But who want to buy part of the club and work with a stinge like Charlesworth. I agree we shouldn’t bag his kids on here because that’s abit much, but what about the kids turned off supporting our club because they literally get teased for doing so? Literally being bullied it many cases by non football kids. The bloke is so f**king out of touch with what he’s doing it’s beyond comprehension. “Oh my kids got offended”. f**k off.

And why does every article involving him use that infuriating photo of him with that arrogant piss ant smile? We’ve suffered enough, journalists of Australian sport.

 

[Michael]

PJ

He probably got the COE land for next to nothing as the then Wyong Mayor was on the shady side of corruptness (allegedly).
He then got massive grants to build on the land from the State Govt and Gosford Council.

From this he got probably the best 6 a side complex built in the Country from some Scottish investors....not sure if they still own the investment...they were shirt front investors for 1 season.
The facility appears to be at full capacity every time im there so its profitable.

He then built a decent Swimming pool...for the players rehab and to make money. Its now booked out and makes a profit.

He then built a 5 story office block that houses the Mariners Corporate offices, Micky G';s coffee shop, Mediacl centre and heaps of Corporate offices................again most likey it makes a profit.

He then built a clubhouse.....very nice beer and pizza....overlooking the 1 single COE pitch which is average so they dont use it. I'm not sure if this facility turns a profit.

The Pikey story that he would build a Gym, A 3000 seat staduim and a motel remain unfulfilled dreams......meaning he has probably invested zero dollars of his own money into the COE.

The thing that has and always will blow my mind is that the club doesn’t own soccer 5’s.

That place makes the most insane amount of profit and basically has since day one. And continually makes more every time they expand their decently good coaching clinics each year on top of the year round 5 and 7 a side leagues.

10 pitches
5 games per pitch each night
5-6 nights a week year round.
(They hire out pitches for training during winter)
It’s $80 per team per game, so $160 a game.

If my very average maths is correct that’s roughly $8000 a night on average when all fields are in use. Not including the training pitch hire and all the academy/clinics they do.

What a time to be alive if our little football club owned and took a profit of a company that big, on their own land.

 

[Rowdy]

He probably got the COE land for next to nothing as the then Wyong Mayor was on the shady side of corruptness (allegedly).

Given to him by Wyong Council & the Community of ratepayers, thinking they were helping a 'Football Club' become a viable, long term resident of the Central Coast ....... ball park figure of $40million worth of land, when considering the Tennis courts and Licensed Tennis Club + Tuggerah Footballs Home grounds and attached Carpark.

What the Council and Community thought was a 'Football Club' was actually CCM Devolopments Pty Ltd. NOT the CC Mariners A-League Club.
- that was where we (the community here on the Central Coast) FIRSTLY got screwed over.

He then got massive grants to build on the land from the State Govt and Gosford Council.

The tenacious Football Journo - Mike Cockerill, RIP, was a catalyst for asking the hard questions over this whole COE debacle, with Wyong Council, these grant monies from both State & Federal having enough of a 'bad smell' about it that ABC's 'Four Corners' had taken up an Investigation into it all for an episode of their program.

Bigger news items filled the media space of the day and sadly (for all of us) the episode was canned.

From this he got probably the best 6 a side complex built in the Country from some Scottish investors....not sure if they still own the investment...they were shirt front investors for 1 season.
The facility appears to be at full capacity every time im there so its profitable.

As far as I'm aware they signed a long term lease, that may dtill be current or perhaps has even expired.
- in the TBD basket

He then built a decent Swimming pool...for the players rehab and to make money. Its now booked out and makes a profit.

Under lease by YMCA, for how long and at what profit ???

He then built a 5 story office block that houses the Mariners Corporate offices, Micky G';s coffee shop, Mediacl centre and heaps of Corporate offices................again most likey it makes a profit.

I asked Shaun specifically about this on terms of providing 'future' income for the Football Club. He said most of the buildings space had been sold off individually with just a 'few' kept that were paying rent.
- Exact numbers ? he was certainly NOT going to elaborate on nor I to press him further. I got the gist of what he was conveying

He then built a clubhouse.....very nice beer and pizza....overlooking the 1 single COE pitch which is average so they dont use it. I'm not sure if this facility turns a profit.

A pitch soooo shit they CAN'T/DON'T even train on it !!

The Pikey story that he would build a Gym, A 3000 seat staduim and a motel remain unfulfilled dreams......meaning he has probably invested zero dollars of his own money into the COE.

Pie in the Sky stuff NOW, after Council insist he builds a road & traffic light intersection.


As to the devolopment of the 'other' training pitches down the road, I am unsure of whether this parcel of land is owned by 'CCM Devolopments' as of now OR he was yet to acquire it.
(I'm pretty sure my pal @pjennings can fill in the blanks on that one )

 

[pjennings]

PJ

He probably got the COE land for next to nothing as the then Wyong Mayor was on the shady side of corruptness (allegedly).
He then got massive grants to build on the land from the State Govt and Gosford Council.

From this he got probably the best 6 a side complex built in the Country from some Scottish investors....not sure if they still own the investment...they were shirt front investors for 1 season.
The facility appears to be at full capacity every time im there so its profitable.

He then built a decent Swimming pool...for the players rehab and to make money. Its now booked out and makes a profit.

He then built a 5 story office block that houses the Mariners Corporate offices, Micky G';s coffee shop, Mediacl centre and heaps of Corporate offices................again most likey it makes a profit.

He then built a clubhouse.....very nice beer and pizza....overlooking the 1 single COE pitch which is average so they dont use it. I'm not sure if this facility turns a profit.

The Pikey story that he would build a Gym, A 3000 seat staduim and a motel remain unfulfilled dreams......meaning he has probably invested zero dollars of his own money into the COE.

I am not going to swear to this information - this is my belief from people I have talked to over the years that should know.

The land was from Wyong Council and the Internal Auditor at the time had major issues with it that he pursued.

CCM (under Turnbull) did get $10m at one stage (I thought it was Federal money) - I suspect when he was a minor shareholder. Further money from the regional development fund was earmarked for the site but got redirected to the remote region of Brookvale Oval when Tony Abbott became PM. That probably built the Soccer5s complex including the which is leased to Soccer5s. That profitable business is theirs - not CCMs. The Swimming pool is leased to the YMCA.

The building would get some lease payments - but how much was bought and how much is leased?

You have to remember this guy is a multi-millionaire which is all well and good. But we are talking multiple millions here. More than his own net worth. This is not chickenfeed to him as it would be to some of the owners.

I can see if the COE expands with extra investment that decent profits might flow. But I doubt MC is doing anything but losing money from the combined football club and COE at the moment.

If that extra investment comes from others I'm sure he would be more than happy.

 

[Rowdy]

The COE ... for what IT is, I dont think is that attractive to a potential 'new buyer' when Charlesworth is trying to sell CCM + COE as a 'package deal'.

A new buyer would be thinking there is 'nowhere to train currently' as it stands, without me investing more money to get that field up to standard AND ....
"I have to buy all this other shit like Soccer5's, Pool, whats left of the Building that I can own/rent out - PLUS build a fcukn road/traffic lights to capitalise on the rest of it !!!
........ Yeah, nah
... just the Football Club please !!"

A new owner would be better off just buying the Football Club and looking elsewhere like buying a piece of Adcock Park (Council are formulating a Re-Development of it) and creating a training Centre there, closer to the Stadium and playing FFA Cup games, pre-season like stuff with a smaller GrandStand like what was proposed at Tuggerah.

 

[pjennings]

The COE ... for what IT is, I dont think is that attractive to a potential 'new buyer' when Charlesworth is trying to sell CCM + COE as a 'package deal'.

A new buyer would be thinking there is 'nowhere to train currently' as it stands, without me investing more money to get that field up to standard AND ....
"I have to buy all this other shit like Soccer5's, Pool, whats left of the Building that I can own/rent out - PLUS build a fcukn road/traffic lights to capitalise on the rest of it !!!
........ Yeah, nah
... just the Football Club please !!"

A new owner would be better off just buying the Football Club and looking elsewhere like buying a piece of Adcock Park (Council are formulating a Re-Development of it) and creating a training Centre there, closer to the Stadium and playing FFA Cup games, pre-season like stuff with a smaller GrandStand like what was proposed at Tuggerah.

I think that Adcock Park like Grahame Park was gifted to the Council with certain restrictions. I suspect buying, as with Grahame Park may not be an option. If possible though a long term lease of a portion of the park make a lot of sense.

 

[marinermick]

I remember saying to people at the time that the proposed CoE will never turn a profit and was yelled down., especially if it had a pool. I used to work in sports facilities and they were all money vacuums.

 

[Big Al]

Well shows his long visit was for potential sales talks until the offer wasn’t right. So he’s maybe playing hard ball and has left as a up your bid move.

Before everyone demands he takes the deal, slow down I know things are bad but who is the buyer? Is it one of the rejected franchises trying to buy a license cheaper. Does the buyer have any interest in staying on the coast? Do they have the money to fund the club?

Just be careful what you wish for.

I could run the team better than Mulvey. Just simply play Tom and we are better. Is that Charlesworth fault. No it’s not directly apart from hiring him

 

[Antlion]

MC should totally hold out for more than $8.5m, way too low ball.

I'm hoping there is still decent enough interest around for a winning offer. We need proper investment as soon as possible. Our current situation is so untenable that many of us are beginning to seriously consider the possibility of our ultimate demise.

I was under the impression that MC wants to keep the CoE separately and that is what makes the deal more complicated because it uses the CCM name, logo etc and is tied to he club. Genuinely have no idea of the situation though, just an impression

 

[turbo]

I know some people have you being optimistic. I would say given recent license prices for non existent clubs means you are probably closer to the mark

I agree to an extent but we also need to consider the locations of those other bids, largely in developing or established city areas like Melbourne or Sydney with big populations. If you’re going in with a big budget you may want to target a specific area. But there’s got to be some middle ground that’s a reasonable offer for us. There’s no reason we can’t turn our crowds around with some investment, quality on the pitch and community involvement.

 

[Timmah]

If he sold the joint for 8.5m, people would be howling he sold it for unders.

Right call to reject it, wrong call to describe it as a 'real offer'.

 

[soccer mad]

Center of excellence wasn't this o proposal to create exceptional players originally a set up to be admired by the rest of the country producing quality players. Its now become the center of shit ..

 

[offtheball]

Was going to be a boon for the Mariners. Visiting teams would be flocking to the Coast, staying at the Travelodge, using the pool and training on the quality surface. How things change, who'd of ever thought Pluim would be a much superior surface?

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Center of excellence wasn't this o proposal to create exceptional players originally a set up to be admired by the rest of the country producing quality players. Its now become the center of shit ..

So, what actually happens there?
Sounds like a white elephant....and we are not the only club doing this now so it isn't a big point of difference

 

[gull]

Why not do some research rather than just speculate or make up stuff about the land sale at Tuggerah?

It was quite easy to find the below, and I think the cost of the land was around 8 million...

https://www.ccmariners.com.au/news/centre-excellence-go

Centre of Excellence is GO!

Dec 22, 2009
The Central Coast Mariners are celebrating a double victory today, with the club being given the green light to become the sole owner of a 12ha site at Tuggerah, paving the way for the construction of its new, state of the art Centre of Excellence complex.
The Central Coast Mariners are celebrating a double victory today, with the club being given the green light to become the sole owner of a 12 hectare site at Tuggerah, paving the way for the construction of its new, state of the art Centre of Excellence complex.



At an extraordinary General Meeting of over 100 members of the Wyong RSL Club, it was unanimously agreed to sell the entire assets of the “Club Tuggerah” site to the Mariners. Therefore, the Central Coast will own 100% of the land and its developments, which will become the "Mariners at Tuggerah" Licensed Club, and the Mariners- Centre of Excellence.

In return, the Mariners have agreed to a Lease and Management Agreement with Wyong RSL, which will see the licensed club leased back to the RSL.

"We thank the members of Wyong RSL club for having the vision to understand the importance of this development, both for the future of their licensed premises on the site, but also for Football on the Central Coast, and for the future of the community as a whole," said Mariners Trust chairman Peter Turnbull.

"It is felt a facility such as this will put the Mariners at the forefront of attracting the best talent across Australia, and also internationally. The goal is for the Mariners to become the obvious first "Club of Choice" for any talented footballer."

This outcome now means the Mariners will be a property owner, bringing with that title significant asset backing, and most importantly, will enjoy a more diversified range of income streams, outside of the club-s current core football activities.

Wyong RSL club-s agreement to sell the land to the Central Coast Mariners comes on the back of a Wyong Shire Council Development Application approval just over a week ago, the application also passed unanimously at the Council meeting.

"Comments from the floor by the Councillors included "The Mariners are worthy of our support, they are the glue that sticks our community together". The overwhelming support shown by the councillors and the staff of Wyong Shire Council has been quite humbling in their desire to see this world class facility in the region," said Turnbull.

These two outcomes mean the Mariners- can look forward to settlement in late January, with work on the main priority, two world-class training pitches for the Hyundai A-League side to begin soon after.

Significant refurbishment of the existing "Club Tuggerah" is also high on the list, with stage one of the "Centre of Excellence", a six storey office block and sports science, pool and gymnasium facilities is scheduled to begin in mid-2010.

Once complete, the development will be the pre-eminent sporting facility of its kind in Australia, and reaffirm the Mariners- commitment to the Central Coast, and development of the game in the region through Academy programmes, a stronger link with Central Coast Football and by providing the perfect base for either the Qantas Socceroos or a visiting international team, should Australia be successful in winning the right to host either the 2018 or 2022 FIFA World Cups.

The development will feature:

- Seven full sized pitches, including a 3,000-seat boutique stadium to be the home of the Central Coast Mariners National Youth League and Westfield W-League teams - 10 Multi purpose courts - A 120-room Hotel and Accommodation block - A six storey Office Block - Sports Science offices, gymnasium, pool and hydrotherapy facilities - A licensed club with a 400-person capacity function centre

"It is envisaged that this facility will also become a focal point for Football Federation Australia in its bid to host the 2018 or 2022 World Cups, by showing FIFA we have training facilities available as well as playing stadiums.

"On an ongoing basis, we can see the Centre not only as our base, but also the base for visiting opponents form across Australia and New Zealand. We also expect the facility to be very popular for international club teams to use as a base for pre-season training camps. All these uses will prove positive for the entire region's economy," said Turnbull.