A-League Expansion

[midfielder]

I still think that unless the West Sydney bid gets their act together soon Canberra will walk straight into the final franchise spot. They have the cash, support and stadium plus the pre-existing W-League side.

Are you aware of the massive player registrations and interest in the world game in western Sydney? We have so far ignored the biggest market in Australia. Ther should have been a team out west instead of the choppers for V1.

Arinceo

Just adding to what Marinermick said...Association in WS

Blacktown
Bankstown
Southern Districts
Granville
Nepean

Former NSL clubs, Blacktown Demons, Sydney United, Marconi, Sydney Olympic, Parrmatta Power, Nepean,.. other state league teams.. Bonnyrigg White Eagles, ST Andrews (Campbelltown), Bankstown.

Current State league clubs Blacktown Demons, Sydney United, Marconi, Sydney Olympic, Bankstown,

Over 70, 000 registered players with most of the above teams owning their own ground.
In South Western Sydney .. Liverpool / Fairfield / Bonnyrigg its football first daylight second..

Why they did not put a team in WS before the Choppers it was called New Football JON was shit scared of the old soccer fighting and carrying on at matches .

WS & the Gong must be in but WS first

 

[Jesus]

I still think that unless the West Sydney bid gets their act together soon Canberra will walk straight into the final franchise spot. They have the cash, support and stadium plus the pre-existing W-League side.

Are you aware of the massive player registrations and interest in the world game in western Sydney? We have so far ignored the biggest market in Australia. Ther should have been a team out west instead of the choppers for V1.

Canverra is not that cashed up, has a bit from the govt, and that melb chick who wanted the NQ licence is putting some money to it.

Check the current u20 world cup squad to see why they need another sydney team.

 

[bulldogmariner]

From 442 website.

THE REBADGED Greater Western Sydney A-League bid meets FFA today with a plan to make their franchise one for the people of Sydney and with a base at ANZ Stadium.
The Greater Western Sydney catchment area is an evolution of the Premier State concept launched some months ago, say bid representatives.

The bid claims$3 million guaranteed income in season one and a market place in excess of two million people in their targeted demographic.

The  bid plans to play home A-League games at ANZ Stadium and GW Sydney will be ready to join the A-League from the 2010/11 season, say backers.

"The bid is driven by the football community," says bid representative Chris Tanner. "It's a club for the people, players, schools, clubs, state league clubs, the whole product is designed to service the needs of the football community," he told au.fourfourtwo.com.

It's understood a meeting at ANZ Stadium last Friday thrashed out the bid's major points.

Tanner also rejected the notion that ANZ Stadium would be too big a venue for the franchise, saying plans are already in place to ramp up the stadium's game-day experience for the A-League.

It's understood a lucrative hire agreement with the stadium is set to be signed should the bid succeed.  They propose however to also play other games across Sydney similar to Sydney FC's pre-season community "tour".

Joining Tanner on the bid are two former footballers. Richie Williams and Peter Begley. Williams is a former Marconi player from the 1980s and the pair have since moved into the business-building line of work.

"The opportunity to build a football business model like this is something Chris and I had discussed many years ago when we were building a semi-professional competition in western NSW" said Williams.

"In fact, the concept is not dissimilar to what we did before. It's around a game that inspires and brings life to people, and is developed around community involvement.

"We would like to bring a business model that integrates the community, schools, associations and clubs."

Other specifics of the bid are being kept in-house but some ground-breaking announcements are expected later in the week.

Other points to the bid include:

a model where marketing revenue involves partner beneficiaries such as district associations, state league clubs and schools
a women's football academy running side-by-side with a men's academy in each participating district association
management and education of coaches and elite players in co-operation with state league club partners

 

[kevrenor]

... bid representative Chris Tanner ...

Ha, ha, ha, ho, ho, ho ..... it is 1 June not 1 April!

 

[kevrenor]

Blacktown
Bankstown
Southern Districts
Granville
Nepean

Former NSL clubs, Blacktown Demons, Sydney United, Marconi, Sydney Olympic, Parramatta Power, Nepean,.. other state league teams.. Bonnyrigg White Eagles, St Andrews (Campbelltown), Bankstown.

Current State league clubs Blacktown Demons, Sydney United, Marconi, Sydney Olympic, Bankstown,

Over 70, 000 registered players with most of the above teams owning their own ground.
In South Western Sydney .. Liverpool / Fairfield / Bonnyrigg its football first daylight second..

St Andrews?

Look ... most of these associations you mention are player funded ... they want nothing to do with club professional football!

The clubs all hate each others guts

The only ones who own their own grounds are the ethnic ones with the baggage that new football apparently doesn't want (Blacktown no longer own the lease on the Gabbie and their licenced club has closed, Marconi football club don't own their ground ... the Club Marconi do, a quite different beast and they are in big debt)

Most of the clubs are broke, sponging on juniors, or propped up by a single aged or dodgy benefactor

Look I agree that western and south western Sydney are the powerhouse of Australian football playing, but as a region it is totally disfunctional. There is a huge market but are there any bids that can make a real go of it?

The various bids appear to be fronted / put together by various 'colourful Sydney identities', conmen, amateurs, or wackos!

 

[marinermick]

Blacktown
Bankstown
Southern Districts
Granville
Nepean

Former NSL clubs, Blacktown Demons, Sydney United, Marconi, Sydney Olympic, Parramatta Power, Nepean,….. other state league teams.. Bonnyrigg White Eagles, St Andrews (Campbelltown), Bankstown.

Current State league clubs… Blacktown Demons, Sydney United, Marconi, Sydney Olympic, Bankstown,

Over 70, 000 registered players… with most of the above teams owning their own ground.
In South Western Sydney .. Liverpool / Fairfield / Bonnyrigg it’s football first daylight second..

The various bids appear to be fronted / put together by various 'colourful Sydney identities', conmen, amateurs, or wackos!

and how does that vary from the current clubs?

constantine, palmer, blanco (now gone but to be replaced by a guy from melb knights), sage etc

 

[kevrenor]

and how does that vary from the current clubs?

constantine, palmer, blanco (now gone but to be replaced by a guy from melb knights), sage etc

Palmer has money!

Perhaps we don't need any more Con in our lives

 

[marinermick]

and how does that vary from the current clubs?

constantine, palmer, blanco (now gone but to be replaced by a guy from melb knights), sage etc

Palmer has money!

Perhaps we don't need any more Con in our lives

Palmer is still a whacko.

Unfortunately people with money will often gain that money through more than honest means - whether they are through below board methods like con or unscrupulous business practices like Palmer. Anyone with alot of money has screwed someone over at one time of another.

The EPL wouldn't exist without these type of people because they are the only ones willing to lose millions in cash and find ways of making illegal money legal.

 

[midfielder]

Blacktown
Bankstown
Southern Districts
Granville
Nepean

Former NSL clubs, Blacktown Demons, Sydney United, Marconi, Sydney Olympic, Parramatta Power, Nepean,.. other state league teams.. Bonnyrigg White Eagles, St Andrews (Campbelltown), Bankstown.

Current State league clubs Blacktown Demons, Sydney United, Marconi, Sydney Olympic, Bankstown,

Over 70, 000 registered players with most of the above teams owning their own ground.
In South Western Sydney .. Liverpool / Fairfield / Bonnyrigg its football first daylight second..

St Andrews?

Look ... most of these associations you mention are player funded ... they want nothing to do with club professional football!

The clubs all hate each others guts

The only ones who own their own grounds are the ethnic ones with the baggage that new football apparently doesn't want (Blacktown no longer own the lease on the Gabbie and their licenced club has closed, Marconi football club don't own their ground ... the Club Marconi do, a quite different beast and they are in big debt)

Most of the clubs are broke, sponging on juniors, or propped up by a single aged or dodgy benefactor

Look I agree that western and south western Sydney are the powerhouse of Australian football playing, but as a region it is totally disfunctional. There is a huge market but are there any bids that can make a real go of it?

The various bids appear to be fronted / put together by various 'colourful Sydney identities', conmen, amateurs, or wackos!

Agree the area as you say is dysfunctional and your points on the associations... my post was  was in response to Arinceo post about how popular Football was in WS...

I lived there for a number of years and know only to well the feeling between many of these clubs.. I am also aware of the coaching talent within these clubs compared to the associations...

Without trying to re write history 1955 was the worst decision ever made when the ethnic clubs spilt from the associations... I have no idea what the solution is but if someone could unite the waring tribes behind a single or say WS & Gong teams then that would be good for football...

Also to the ethnic / association issues are complex in that IMO both the worst of old soccer came out of these clubs as well as the best.. It often comes down to management of these clubs because not everyone that follows them is a dickhead ... sometimes the worst behaviour at these matches where people associated with the management of the club.

As has been discussed on a couple of other threads the old NSL clubs offer something (remember Jedi came from Sydney United)  how do we harness it, do we loose the coaching talent they have... can they be trusted ..

Interesting I am not sure of the answer but I do worry about Sydney United / White Eagles / Melbourne Knights  a tad more than the others. I have not idea how to solve it or whether to ignore it but that it is still there and will be there in the future needs some through.

 

[midfielder]

and how does that vary from the current clubs?

constantine, palmer, blanco (now gone but to be replaced by a guy from melb knights), sage etc

Palmer has money!

Perhaps we don't need any more Con in our lives

Very true

 

[FFC Mariner]

Playing out of ANZ?

ROFL

 

[Honkee]

Playing out of ANZ?

ROFL

They could pull a crowd of 30000 and the place would still look like a ghost town. FAIL

 

[dibo]

Playing out of ANZ?

ROFL

guaranteed income per game, and NRL figures indicate that in spite of all the complaints, crowds at homebush are actually better than most suburban grounds. souths and the bulldogs are doing very well there.

last year for example, homebush had the highest average crowds of any regularly used sydney ground in the competition (the SCG beat it with a one-off event):

S.C.G. 19,122 1 19,122
Stadium_Australia 511,059 34 15,031
Leichhardt 43,296 3 14,432
S.F.S. 171,677 12 14,306
Brookvale 141,183 10 14,118
Campbelltown 39,039 3 13,013
Endeavour 155,581 12 12,965
Parramatta 120,957 10 12,096
Grahame 46,078 4 11,520
Penrith 130,790 12 10,899

why does it get bigger crowds?

it's reasonably easy to get to, you can always get a ticket, practically every seat is undercover, 20k or so it'd even be an easy place to drive to if you were so inclined and getting food and drink or getting to the slasher is an absolute piece of piss.

don't underestimate how important the last bit is. i was at kogarah a few weeks back watching my dragons pickpocket the dogs with the aid of an idiotic video referee, and it took an absolute eternity to grab food and beer. while i love the place and think the hill is terrific, the basic amenities of the place are ratshit and that's *after* significant renovations.

kogarah's pretty typical of the 'suburban' grounds around sydney.

the only suburban ground that you would say is significantly better would be parramatta or maybe penrith. parramatta's easier for more people to get to and there's more to do near the ground, but the facilities there are nearly 25 years old and feel older. it could do with some work. if they got a summer tenant they might be able to justify enclosing the ground properly, giving cover to the northern and southern ends and improving the food and drink services etc.

in the meantime though, homebush is just easy for everyone concerned. they don't need to change a thing, they get guaranteed income, and i reckon they'll average over 20k from the start. if they get the initial backing right, some corporate interest and a competitive inaugural squad, it's the recipe for a financial and football powerhouse.

 

[goingtoadisco]

What about that circular ground that they have all the motor cross and what not in for the Easter show ?
I can imagine watching a game there and enjoying it.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I think the Bulldogs played there for at least a season? Isnt it the Showground?

Oval/round ground so not sure would translate well to football

 

[Auburn Mariner]

Canterbury-Bankstown did indeed play at the Sydney Showground. I watched them DESTROY Canberra there the night before Roy Masters, writing in the SMH, broke the story of how the Bulldogs Executive rorted the Salary Cap. This resulted in the Dogs losing all their points that season, when they were lay-down Open Miseres to win the Premiership.

The Sydney Showground is going to be redeveloped for when the NSW Rams are granted the 18th AFL franchise. For those with a good memory, the Sydney Showground is actually a correctly-designed BASEBALL ground, which was used during the 2000 Olympics. It doubles as the main Show Arena at Easter.

The Rams will use Bruce Purser Oval in Blacktown Council as their training base and will play at the redeveloped Showground.

ANZ is one of the plans for the Western Troglodyte Hillbilly Cannibals A-League franchise. I would strongly suggest that Parramatta Stadium will get some games as well.

ANZ is very-well designed, despite being as soul-less as a Matchbox 20 album (or Hootie & the Blowfish, whichever you prefer). I would certainly attend games there.

 

[Jesus]

There are 3 west syd bids. But i think 2 want to play most games there.
There are worse ideas than playing there. Would have to close off the upper levels but that no doubt happens for league.

Have not been to parra to compare.

 

[Atomic]

Canterbury-Bankstown did indeed play at the Sydney Showground. I watched them DESTROY Canberra there the night before Roy Masters, writing in the SMH, broke the story of how the Bulldogs Executive rorted the Salary Cap. This resulted in the Dogs losing all their points that season, when they were lay-down Open Miseres to win the Premiership.

I think you're giving Roy too much credit here. From memory I seem to recall that it was a female that was the investigative journalist, someone not related to sports journalism at all.

 

[dibo]

I thought it was Jacqueline Magnay - the SMH's best investigative sports journalist.

 

[Atomic]

Kate McClymont and Anne Davies

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/16/1029114013522.html

I actually think they stumbled across this story whilst investigating the Oasis development at Liverpool.