A-League Expansion

[marinermick]

Grasshoppers of Nth Queensland!!!!

 

[marinermick]

Not just that, in Spain you have Sporting, Racing, Athletic... whilst in Brazil Cruzeiro is a reference to the Southern Cross. Trinity appears on the name of some non-League club, National is used by a few clubs in South America. A simple name reflecting the region or city you're in, or a suburb, usually suffices. Even Locomotive or Torpedo sounds better

It seems that the main theme some are pushing here is that "tradition" and the traditional way of doing things is somehow a bad thing. But tell me, if it is, then why does it work?

It doesn't work. Both Adelaide and Sydney are struggling for identity and under-punching when it comes to crowds. The main traditional (British) names are bad because they are generic, overused and weak when it comes to branding for the Australian sporting market.

Melbourne, Mariners and Queensland have strong identities and branding and over-punching with crowds.

And again, when you say traditional you are referring to British traditional. Why is it better? Where is your evidence to say it is better?

 

[FFC Mariner]

The fact that SFC have alienated most of greater Sydney by basing themselves in the City/E Subs doesnt help much either.

Not having a catchy "name" also makes it harder to cut through in terms of marketing. Especially if they want to capture a new audience.

ps - Playing like they do doesnt help much either lol

 

[dru]

It seems that the main theme some are pushing here is that "tradition" and the traditional way of doing things is somehow a bad thing. But tell me, if it is, then why does it work?

Does it work in a market where we are trying to attract new support from people not tied to football but have grown up on rugby league and AFL. the sky blues have not set the world on fire with their fc, united next year will not be only adelaide and will there crowds be great without the ACL. Yes all these names mean something to football fans but not a lot to the non football fans in NQ.

It's not that fury is any worse than a sporting, a real or a locamotiv it's that people think that traditional is the only way worth doing things. and to say that power is a silly name yet the traditionalists would welcome locamotiv of Dinamo which are basically the same thing.

 

[David Votoupal]

Sydney FC's problem lies with location and image which ordinary fans find pretentious and off-putting. Naming isn't the issue here.

 

[marinermick]

Sydney FC's problem lies with location and image which ordinary fans find pretentious and off-putting. Naming isn't the issue here.

image comes from branding

kids and families cannot identify with a FC

location is not a factor - every freeway leads to the stadium and it is a short walk from central station

 

[David Votoupal]

Well a 2nd Sydney team SHOULD have been considered from the very start of the league, I will always maintain that.

 

[MattSimon]

A-League names reek of the NBL/NBA. Too many teams are just feelings or sounds. NQ Wanderers or Rangers would have been okay. if not more appropriate? Then again NQ Bogans or NQ Deliverance would have been great too.

 

[~Floss~]

i figure its only the glory and the fury that have no cultural bearing ??

victory - victoria
Mariners- sea side geographically ?
jets- has an airbase in newcastle
phoenix- born from the ahses of NZ knights

i would include the roar, but word out is there going to be re-branded next year.

Lions aren't something you immediately associate with Brisbane either.

 

[adz]

Lions aren't something you immediately associate with Brisbane either.

or fitzroy?

 

[~Floss~]

Sydney Park Avenue?
Melbourne Academicals?
Central Coast Albion?
Newcastle Wanderers (actually, I quite like that one)
NQ Argyle?
Gold Coast Athletic?
Perth Rovers
Wellington United
Adelaide Spartans
Qld Hotspur?

not sure traditional names are much better TBH

yes, very excitable and marketable

by the way, when we talk about traditional names we talk about british traditional names not australian

the australian traditional names are the croatias, macedonias, olympics and budapests!!!

Traditional names can come across just as bad as the modern ones.

Eg. in the MLS the modern names like "Crew" really suck, but "Real Salt Lake"..... ???

1. I didn't know Spanish was the main language in Utah
2.I wasn't aware that there was a Royal Family or any sort of a monarchy based in Salt Lake City... but somehow they have founded a Royal Football Club

 

[Jimmy]

Townsville Toads FTW

 

[FFC Mariner]

Lay off the poor N Q'landers, they think Jade North is Marquee quality lolololol

(waits for tirade of anti North abuse from Serious)

 

[clarence]

The fact that SFC have alienated most of greater Sydney by basing themselves in the City/E Subs doesnt help much either.

Not having a catchy "name" also makes it harder to cut through in terms of marketing. Especially if they want to capture a new audience.

ps - Playing like they do doesnt help much either lol

Sydney FC's problem lies with location and image which ordinary fans find pretentious and off-putting. Naming isn't the issue here.

But Sydney ARE pretentious and off-putting.

The light sky blue colour isn't bold enough (if you are a marketing freak you'd argue that it blends too much with the background), they came on strong right from the start of the A-League about being the biggest and the best, they know nothing about humility, when they do struggle -folks would wish they'd fail rather than rise to the occassion. AND having the Lowy family involved does smack of a little bit of conflict of interest with the governing body.

All off putting to the average family out in the suburbs of Sydney, and the travel to and from SFS for some would an ordeal alone, let alone watching them play like shit.

 

[midfielder]

Interesting Lucas Neil and second team at Parrmatta .....could affect the Mariners many from just eat of Parrmatta travel to the coast

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24616427-5006068,00.html

Lucas Neill reveals plan for western Sydney A-League

Exclusive By Tom Smithies

November 08, 2008 12:00am

SOCCEROOS captain Lucas Neill has revealed the details of how he aims to bring an A-League team to western Sydney in 2010.

Heavily involved in putting together a bid for an A-League franchise for submission by the end of the year, Neill yesterday spelt out how he believes the logic of establishing a team in an area he called the game's heartland is irresistible, revealing:

 HIS franchise has signed an agreement with Parramatta Stadium;

 THEY would train at Football NSW's facilities; and

 NEILL will ultimately play for the team and will invest in its start-up.

While there have long been rumours of Neill's involvement in a possible A-League bid, yesterday he said the bid was 80 per cent completed for a deadline of January, and revealed why he wants to build a club.

"For quite some time there's been talk of expanding the A-League, so I did a bit of homework myself and then got a company (Inspire Sports Group, whose management arm represents Neill) to invest some time and money into working out what suited," Neill said.

"Meanwhile the FFA did their own report that suggested western Sydney would be one of the top areas for expansion, so then we did some research to really nail it in terms of figures - population, commerce and so on. Everything about it was appealing, and as a Sydney boy I really wanted to do it.

"We've signed an agreement with Parramatta Stadium committing to playing games there, and we consider that to be an important step. We've talked to Blacktown council to seek their help (in siting an amateur side) and we've also signed an agreement with Football NSW to allow us use of their facilities.

"We've tried to build up relationships and dig deep into the area - obviously we're building from scratch so my plan has been to start at the top tier and work down to the grassroots.

"So at the top level we need a stadium and a football club, we need to win the bid then pick a board of directors who are successful in both business and sport. Then we need to build the team and the coaching staff - I certainly want to come back and play, that's the dream."

Neill said he had no plans to be involved in the off-field running of the club after its inception but wanted to be a key figure on the football side.

"I'd only be involved on the sporting field," he said. "I've got no commercial or administrative interest, I'd be coming back as a player and maybe later as a coach.

"I don't know if there's another western Sydney bid out there, but all I can do is keep ticking the boxes the FFA want. The project managers are confident we have done it all right, and we have a number of investors who have approached us and we are working through that process to determine the best people to work with. We have to have them signed up by January, of course, and all is going really well."

As for recruiting players and coaches, Neill said they had a list of targets but it would be premature to approach them before the FFA decides where to award the franchise. A marquee player was a key element.

"That gets the bums on seats - people want to see young Australian talent but they also want to see a person with a household name."

 

[dru]

Okay since the Hakoah is realy not performing and no one likes them lets get rid of them. replace it with a western Sydney team and then we have another spot available in season 6 for southcoast or somewhere else

 

[FFC Mariner]

A W Syd team, engaged with the local community pwns Hakoah on day 1 doesnt it?

Dru, love the thought but can you really see Uncle Frank's own side gewtting the arse?

Mariners v W Syd at Parra Stadium................bring it on

 

[clarence]

A W Syd team, engaged with the local community pwns Hakoah on day 1 doesnt it?

Dru, love the thought but can you really see Uncle Frank's own side gewtting the arse?

Mariners v W Syd at Parra Stadium................bring it on

A western Sydney franchise, on their own in Sydney, would surely make a better go at the marketing and engaging the public than the blingers. Good option you mentioned Dru.

But seriously, I cannot see an FFA board - with Lowy and a few cronies on it -voting to boot Sydney FC out of the A-League. And Sydney have met most of the criteria haven't they? So what grounds could they replace Sydney FC with a western Sydney franchise?

 

[FFC Mariner]

Some competition might be the making of Sydney, wait till they "lose" their position in the Sydney market, wait till there is a real derby.

Competition concentrates the mind wonderfully

 

[dru]

Yeah I know it's not going to happen. but a lad can dream.

As to a reason, on and off field violence. Lolssie will snap sooner or later (probably against melbourne involving muscat). the fans have a habt of not getting along with Melbourne.

Yes bring on us vs the western sydney spirit/power