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A-League Expansion

David Votoupal

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Well once more, it makes perfect sense for the biggest cities to have at least 2 teams. Considering it's standard practice on all other continents, just about, it has to be here considering the population of the two biggest cities.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
LOL, Lucas wants to coach.

So we can expect the new W Syd franchise to dive into tackles and give away silly fouls, get itself sent off in important games and whine to the ref all day.
 

David Votoupal

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure about Neill coaching either, but... never take for granted that a player will have the same style when coaching. Glenn Hoddle, Bryan Robson and Peter Taylor all inspired as players but generally failed to do so as managers (for most part anyway).
 

Jesus

Jesus
goingtoadisco said:
T said:
Would rather see a Wollongong team before a 2nd Syd team....

+1

Disagree. WSyd for 10-11, gong in 11-12.

That way the gong can have their ground all ready for entry.

And west sydney will play a much larger part in tv audiences, and surely crowds
 

David Votoupal

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I'd be happy to have both Western Sydney and Wollongong in the league, that way the whole Newcastle to Sydney to Wollongong region would be covered and the super-region will be the beating heart of football in Australia.
 

Bex

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Further to the Western Sydney bid article:

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/a-league/neill-excited-by-new-franchise-150387/
Neill excited by new franchise

10 November 2008 | 12:23 - SBS EXCLUSIVE: Matthew Hall

Socceroos captain Lucas Neill claims his main motivation for launching an A-League club in Western Sydney is to reinvest money earned from football into the local game.

Ive been fortunate and had so many good things that its time to start passing it on, Neill said.

It is all about giving back and this is the biggest impact I could have - to build a club. There are 1.9 million people in western Sydney; it is the supposed heartland of football in Australia; 200 of Australias largest companies are based in the area. It all makes sense.

Being a Sydney boy, I thought it would be good to start a legacy and start at the top and work my way back down to the grassroots. I want to build a structure and inspire the young people of Australia, give them something to dream about, give them some heroes that they want to emulate.

If you can inspire kids to play football and go and watch the A-League then the future of Australian football will become stronger. The ultimate goal is to play for Australia and get Australia competing in a World Cup all the time. These little things build the foundation.

Neill, who plays for West Ham United in Englands Premier League, said his bid team delivered a document to FFA with financial proposals and projections that were well-received by the sports governing body.

It was rumoured there was going to be expansion of the league about a year ago and so I dived a little deeper, Neill said. The FFA had done their own investigation and it turned out that Sydney was the number one preferred spot out of five other areas.

We did all the figures and they keep ticking boxes with the FFA so we are on track and about 80 per cent of the way there. We are in the middle of negotiations with a number of other major investors and we have a deadline of January to finally submit the proposal.

The announcement of Neills western Sydney proposal adds to a list of hopeful entities - including the South Coast of New South Wales, Canberra, and Tasmania - jockeying for an A-League expansion place for the 2010-2011 season.

However Neills involvement - and public profile - catapults his western Sydney franchise into position as sure favourite.

As a sportsman, Im confident, Neill said. I hate losing. I am in this to win it.

Sounds like a great bid and I like Neill's general idea. However, I hope they're not relying on the "ticking of boxes" and the results of "investigations" to make a successful football team. As we've seen with other A-League teams, they need the right mix of the right people and I'm not convinced the business people involved in this are on top of that aspect of the bid. Having said that, I know very little about the bid so I could be worrying about nothing.
 

Bex

Well-Known Member
It does sound very much like Sackem FC's attitude doesn't it. i.e. just buy the best using oodles of cash without actually putting thought into how it might integrate.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/foo...318996030.html

Seems like a fight between the gong and WS as Melbourne appear in if this article is correct

Two's company: Sydney needs second team, says Neill

Matthew Hall

November 16, 2008


A SECOND A-League team will help - not hinder - Sydney FC, according to Socceroos skipper Lucas Neill, who is leading a bid for a western Sydney team to join the competition in 2010.

Neill's proposal - which includes deals with Football NSW, Blacktown City Council and Parramatta Stadium - has been well received by Football Federation Australia but sent shivers down spines at Sydney FC.

Sydney FC chairman Andrew Kemeny has expressed concern but Neill believes competition will benefit both teams.

"Sydney can definitely support two teams, and this will bring the best out of Sydney FC," Neill told the Sun-Herald. "It will be a great rivalry. Imagine having derbies. Imagine having a western team and an eastern team, and the hype and the commercial attraction and the crowd that will come with it.

"We are not far from the Mariners as well and there will be two Melbourne teams by 2010. It is going to be great for the game getting people supporting their team and having something to brag about."

Neill's bid is believed to have up to eight potential investors, several from overseas, considering taking a major share in the new team.

An official behind Neill's proposed bid confirmed an agreement with Parramatta Stadium but said the team would play at other venues in the area.

"We anticipate the Sydney derby will have a high level of interest, so we have left ourselves open to take that game, and maybe clashes with Melbourne, to ANZ Stadium," said Paddy Dominguez of Inspire Sports Group, which represents Neill and Sydney FC star John Aloisi.

"We have the ability to take other games to Penrith or Campbelltown. We want to represent the whole area."

Any proposed western Sydney franchise would have to receive a tick of approval from FFA chairman Frank Lowy, whose family retains majority ownership of Sydney FC.

Neill revealed he had discussed his proposal with the FFA at a high level and was confident the governing body would see the appeal of a western Sydney team.

"I have had very brief conversations with [FFA CEO] Ben Buckley about what I would like to do," he said.

"Obviously, he has had a lot of communication with my bid team. He thinks it's a great idea but until he sees my bid he is not giving a lot away.

"Western Sydney is the supposed heartland of football in Australia. So many good players have come out of there. There's 1.9 million people in western Sydney and you only need to get 2 per cent of them interested and you have 15,000 to 20,000 people coming to a game every week."

A second Melbourne team has all but been confirmed to kick off in 2010, while groups from the NSW South Coast, Canberra, and Tasmania are also lobbying for a franchise.

Billionaire Bruce Gordon, who owns the WIN TV network, has been receptive to an invitation from Lowy to invest in an Illawarra bid.

Contrary to other reports, Gordon favours investing with personal finance rather than committing the support of his regional TV network. Football NSW has written to the South Coast consortium offering assistance for its proposal.
 

Redline

Well-Known Member
Population Wise, Sydney can support 3 or 4 teams...look at Melbourne and how many AFL teams it supports comfortably. SFC being in the city was their mistake. They needed to be out in the West from day 1. Now they're reaping what they've sown.

Melbourne all but confirmed for 2010? Thats a new one to my ears, but it would make sense...they're one of the best performing clubs, crowd wise, and you would have ot assume that translates into the financial side of the 'business' as well.

The Wolves were quite a force in the old NSL...so one would assume they would still be able to draw a respectable crowd.

There's a lot of 'ifs' here... But it comes down to money and resources. At some point they the FFA needs to say 'Ok...we have enough first flight teams. Lets start a second division. Lets start promotion and relegation." But when do people see it happening?


Then theres Canberra......
The World Game said:
Canberra close to launching bid
Canberra appears close to launching a fully-funded bid for an A-League licence after winning backing from Victorian businesswoman Millissa Fischer.


Fischer already owns Victorian Premier League side Altona Magic and will financially back the Canberra bid.

"We can work together and I look forward to seeing a winning team in Canberra. It's very exciting," Fischer said.

Football Federation Australia (FFA) requires a $6 million base before considering the bid and on Thursday night a crowd of about 100 people heard $5 million had been raised.

The ACT government has committed $2.5 million and a further $2.5 million had been promised by unnamed investors.

It is understood Ms Fischer's support will bring Canberra to the $6 million required but she would not confirm this.

Former Socceroo great Ned Zelic is also involved in the bid and has not ruled out returning to his home town full-time as coach.

"I've always been one in the past to pretty much only do things that I believe in and this is something that I really do believe in," Zelic said.

"I'm convinced that Canberra deserves a team in the A-League."

Bid leader and local business leader Ivan Slavich told the crowd market research had indicated a Canberra A-League outfit would attract an average crowd of 15,000 people - another of the federation's prerequisites.

"It's for the whole community," Slavich said.

The bid committee will meet with FFA on November 18.

"I can see no reason why we would not be accepted into the league for season 2010/11.
 

Jesus

Jesus
Countryhick said:
Population Wise, Sydney can support 3 or 4 teams...look at Melbourne and how many AFL teams it supports comfortably. SFC being in the city was their mistake. They needed to be out in the West from day 1. Now they're reaping what they've sown.

Melbourne all but confirmed for 2010? Thats a new one to my ears, but it would make sense...they're one of the best performing clubs, crowd wise, and you would have ot assume that translates into the financial side of the 'business' as well.

The Wolves were quite a force in the old NSL...so one would assume they would still be able to draw a respectable crowd.

There's a lot of 'ifs' here... But it comes down to money and resources. At some point they the FFA needs to say 'Ok...we have enough first flight teams. Lets start a second division. Lets start promotion and relegation." But when do people see it happening?


Then theres Canberra......
The World Game said:
Canberra close to launching bid
Canberra appears close to launching a fully-funded bid for an A-League licence after winning backing from Victorian businesswoman Millissa Fischer.


Fischer already owns Victorian Premier League side Altona Magic and will financially back the Canberra bid.

"We can work together and I look forward to seeing a winning team in Canberra. It's very exciting," Fischer said.

Football Federation Australia (FFA) requires a $6 million base before considering the bid and on Thursday night a crowd of about 100 people heard $5 million had been raised.

The ACT government has committed $2.5 million and a further $2.5 million had been promised by unnamed investors.

It is understood Ms Fischer's support will bring Canberra to the $6 million required but she would not confirm this.

Former Socceroo great Ned Zelic is also involved in the bid and has not ruled out returning to his home town full-time as coach.

"I've always been one in the past to pretty much only do things that I believe in and this is something that I really do believe in," Zelic said.

"I'm convinced that Canberra deserves a team in the A-League."

Bid leader and local business leader Ivan Slavich told the crowd market research had indicated a Canberra A-League outfit would attract an average crowd of 15,000 people - another of the federation's prerequisites.

"It's for the whole community," Slavich said.

The bid committee will meet with FFA on November 18.

"I can see no reason why we would not be accepted into the league for season 2010/11.

Melbourne cant support all its teams in afl. There are constantly 2 teams that are struggling. Same with league in sydney
 

David Votoupal

Well-Known Member
You can't compare football's situation to the AFL and NRL, and we can only compare ourselves really to overseas leagues where this model is successful. 2 in Sydney is enough, rather than the 3 or 4 suggested above.

Consider that the North-West and Midlands cover a smaller geographical area than the entire Maitland to Kiama spectrum that 5 NSW teams (SFC, WS, Wollongong, CCM, NUJ) would serve. So 5 teams would easily work.
 

Kareem

Well-Known Member
David Votoupal said:
You can't compare football's situation to the AFL and NRL, and we can only compare ourselves really to overseas leagues where this model is successful. 2 in Sydney is enough, rather than the 3 or 4 suggested above.

Consider that the North-West and Midlands cover a smaller geographical area than the entire Maitland to Kiama spectrum that 5 NSW teams (SFC, WS, Wollongong, CCM, NUJ) would serve. So 5 teams would easily work.
:goodpost:
I think Western Sydney + Wollongong
if we ever got to 2nd division maybe...but i have to agree it may not be suitble in Australia for reasons such as Perth and difficultie in sustaining so many teams (as much as I love promotion/relegation- i am a big advocate of it!)
 

clarence

Well-Known Member
When you look at all this posturing and putting forward supposed syndicates etc. you have to stop a second and realise, hey, what other codes of football are talking of expansion?

Since the Gold Coast Titans have entered there's been not a hoot from the NRL about another team. The AFL is only looking at a Gold Coast venture for a relocation of a Melbourne team, I think, and if they ever get a Western Sydeny team up it will probably be a relocation too.

The RU has been stung by the ARU comp failure, and the Super 14 is not set to expand to 16 anytime soon is it?

All this has to be good news for us right?
 

David Votoupal

Well-Known Member
The AFL expansion plan is doomed to fail.

NRL has much bigger problems, even though the Titans have been a success.

ARU is stung because Union has been in decline in the past five years.

That leaves the FFA, which needs to take the necessary steps.
 

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