Turbulence (then calm sailing, then turbulence) thread.

[Rowdy]

It was one of those fundraisers where if you give the Captain $5,000, he'll turn around and 'go back to where he came from'.

Unfortunately we neeed the $5k to sign a CB & Striker, so we gave him the shirt off our back instead.

 

[dibo]

 

[midfielder]

I have two questions now we have Honest Tony in our side as number 1.

Will he replace Reddy in goals ie No 1 and can he """stop the goals....""" [sorry I was hit in the head by a truck when I was 5]

Second wonders if some members are inclined to not sign because he has shown up with the number one shirt...

 

[VicMariner]

Second wonders if some members are inclined to not sign because he has shown up with the number one shirt...

If seeing a pollie in a photo op turns someone off a team they're not much of a supporter.

 

[Gratis]

Just quietly I hope that shirt is an omen:
Abbott = 1 Term (only)

 

[nebakke]

If seeing a pollie in a photo op turns someone off a team they're not much of a supporter.

I think you underestimate the mind of the political junkie... There are few things that can be as obsessive as football... Not only is politics one of them, it is perhaps the only one that can be more obsessive... And not just by a little...

Luckily for me I've long since accepted that, while politics is interesting, politicking sucks and PR is a necessity for all businesses...
Not to even mention that Lawrie was already ensconced with the libs on city council - so it's hardly a surprise.

But Westminster politics in particular, is so bl**dy adversarial, that there's bound to be some people with noses out of joint there... Probably not long-term, but at least for a while... Unfortunately...

 

[nebakke]

OH FFS!!! Can't they f*****g keep their gobs shut for 5 f*****g minutes up there at Tuggerah!? It's like watching a 3-year-old with something flashy... Whenever there's a camera-light, off they go again, firing off their mouth...

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/mariners-still-open-home-game-relocation

 

[rbakersmith]

OH FFS!!! Can't they f*****g keep their gobs shut for 5 f*****g minutes up there at Tuggerah!? It's like watching a 3-year-old with something flashy... Whenever there's a camera-light, off they go again, firing off their mouth...

There have been plenty of people wondering what "majority" actually meant - 442 probably asked Mielekamp what that meant and he gave them an answer. What else did you expect him to do?

There have been a lot of fans worried that "majority" would mean 7 games a season, and this definitively puts that concern to rest.

 

[nebakke]

There have been plenty of people wondering what "majority" actually meant - 442 probably asked Mielekamp what that meant and he gave them an answer. What else did you expect him to do?

There have been a lot of fans worried that "majority" would mean 7 games a season, and this definitively puts that concern to rest.

I know, I've been one of them... Ultimately I expect them to give at least one f*****g clear-cut answer, just for once in their miserable lives.
I mean, if they're so worried about the impact of moving games away that they won't be upfront and honest about it, shouldn't that be telling them something about the potential impact on their local fan-base?

It's like they think that we only read one type of media.... So they post the stuff that is clearly targeted at the coast audience, being reassuring and open about the approach.
Then, the next day, they give an interview to a medium that is more widely consumed, and they give a statement that effectively undoes the good that they did the day before, because they're now targeting a broader audience.

At the end-of-the-day I'm not sure I understand why SM took this interview in the first place...

 

[Big Al]

I know, I've been one of them... Ultimately I expect them to give at least one f*****g clear-cut answer, just for once in their miserable lives.
...

Feel free to call me stupid for believing the club but there are things to back up what they are saying as well.

I actually think you got a clear cut answer for once.
"11 games min. On the coast for next three years". You want that to continue put your bum on a seat and bring as many as you can with you.

Had they not made the Geelong deal you would have lost a game at CCS and the regional game = 2 instead of 1 which you had to loose.

We also saw a financial figure given which helps us understand the reasoning.

It's time for us to stop bitching and a ive been very much apart of that and except the challenge. We have 3 years to make our crowds viable at CCS so when the next renewal comes up we get the same deal or better (talking total games at CCS)

 

[Big Al]

It's also key we understand the club and the reasons behind what they do are with facts as our thoughts drive the image of the CCM.

When the club was unclear and wishy washy (some may say sneeky) we were fusing the bad thoughts and when a casual would say something not right here we probably joined in and fueled it and then they tell there friends they are right and even the members agree.

Now we can point out majority means 11 what we are getting for selling the game etc to any casual with a negative thought and potential change there mind and belief.

Also with 11 games locked in they can sell 3 games in regional round years and 2 in non regional rounds. Not to bad not great but clear and concise

 

[nebakke]

Feel free to call me stupid for believing the club but there are things to back up what they are saying as well.

Stupid!... But seriously folks... Not at all mate... I don't actually think that there's anything stupid in believe the club - that's not really my issue. My issue is that I feel like they change the message every time they make a statement... THAT is what's p*****g me off.
And I'm clearly not alone - the article was linked on Facebook and the first two posts were essentially "I thought we'd dealt with this!?"

Had they not made the Geelong deal you would have lost a game at CCS and the regional game = 2 instead of 1 which you had to loose.

My issue with the Geelong game is something entirely different... I think it's a shame that we effectively miss out on the opportunity to play the 'community round' somewhere that it might benefit a CCM-related community. However, I'm not convinced that that was ever viable or likely to happen anyway, so it's perhaps not a great loss.
But it concerns me that a club can effectively buy an additional home-game... I think it sets a worrying precedent, but that's just me...

We also saw a financial figure given which helps us understand the reasoning.

It's time for us to stop bitching and a ive been very much apart of that and except the challenge. We have 3 years to make our crowds viable at CCS so when the next renewal comes up we get the same deal or better (talking total games at CCS)

I'm assuming I've missed something elsewhere? - the only figure I see in the article, is the $100,000 that MV is rumoured to be paying us - was there one in the stadium agreement release?

I think the thing is - for mine at least - until they get their s*** together and get on-message, together - I'll feel free to keep the whinging up as well... It doesn't exactly make it easier to drag people along to games, consistently, when they don't know what to think either.
CCM has made great strides in improving their PR lately, no doubt about it - that's one of the reasons why I get frustrated when I see this sort of thing yet again.

 

[dibo]

There have been plenty of people wondering what "majority" actually meant - 442 probably asked Mielekamp what that meant and he gave them an answer. What else did you expect him to do?

There have been a lot of fans worried that "majority" would mean 7 games a season, and this definitively puts that concern to rest.

I don't think the issue is giving them an answer. I think the issue is doing a deal that leaves that particular door open.

The modest financial plus appears to be massively outweighed by the PR negatives.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

As a relative outsider to this (and one who watched basically everything A-League last year) I and at least from the media standpoint I watched didn't think the Mariners ever had a possibility of relocating. Sure you played a couple games in North Sydney but haven't all A-League clubs done so in other places? I guess what I'm trying to say is from the outside at least it never looked like there was a plan to move to North Sydney and if there was the general opinion was that it would be a horrendous mistake.

 

[nearlyyellow]

I'll 'ave 'em if they change the basis on which I paid for my Gold membership this season ..

KEY FEATURES:

• 13 home games: Full season members gain access to 13 entertaining home games at our idyllic bayside home ground, Central Coast Stadium, either in reserved seating or general admission;

Read more at http://www.ccmariners.com.au/articl...q3av58qlfljj1ntrn0v5r4dnt#KVtxlWVRHGAezXJj.99

 

[rbakersmith]

I 'ave 'em if they change the basis on which I paid for my Gold membership this season ..

They're not changing the number of games at Gosford this season.

 

[Big Al]

Stupid!... But seriously folks... Not at all mate... I don't actually think that there's anything stupid in believe the club - that's not really my issue. My issue is that I feel like they change the message every time they make a statement... THAT is what's p*****g me off.
And I'm clearly not alone - the article was linked on Facebook and the first two posts were essentially "I thought we'd dealt with this!?"



My issue with the Geelong game is something entirely different... I think it's a shame that we effectively miss out on the opportunity to play the 'community round' somewhere that it might benefit a CCM-related community. However, I'm not convinced that that was ever viable or likely to happen anyway, so it's perhaps not a great loss.
But it concerns me that a club can effectively buy an additional home-game... I think it sets a worrying precedent, but that's just me...



I'm assuming I've missed something elsewhere? - the only figure I see in the article, is the $100,000 that MV is rumoured to be paying us - was there one in the stadium agreement release?

I think the thing is - for mine at least - until they get their s*** together and get on-message, together - I'll feel free to keep the whinging up as well... It doesn't exactly make it easier to drag people along to games, consistently, when they don't know what to think either.
CCM has made great strides in improving their PR lately, no doubt about it - that's one of the reasons why I get frustrated when I see this sort of thing yet again.

The message is changing a lot but I think it comes down to new management being more transparent and what was said by past management shouldn't be worried but stored in the memory bank to make sure the same things aren't tried again.
Personally I'm happy with how things are running atm.

 

[Rowdy]

Excellent article on TWG by Phillip Micallef

ROAR DOWNFALL SHOULD SERVE AS A CAUTIONARY TALE:
(just a few excerpts)

............" These episodes gave Brisbane unwanted headlines and brought into question the fickle nature of Australian club football.

First, because too much emphasis is being placed on the importance of having wealthy business people running clubs and too little on the value of having football people who understand the market and culture they are dealing with.

All too often clubs are guilty of making misguided entrepreneurial rather than logical football decisions.

The club scene in Australia is heavily dependent on its fans and there is absolutely no sense in putting anything above the supporters' interests.

Without fans there can be no game: so alienate them at your peril.

Second, Australian club football will never be in a really strong position until fans are prepared to support their clubs, even during the lean times.

Football supporters in Australia can be as loyal and as fickle as can be. There are exceptions but, generally speaking, they will back their team to the hilt as long as it wins but will turn their backs on it as soon as it hits turbulence.

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2015/07/06/roar-downfall-should-serve-cautionary-tale

Click the link and scroll down to the bottom (past all the advertising) to read some very interesting posts from both Roar & other A-League fans that are pissed off with the way their clubs and the FFA are not listening to the 'real football fans' & bowing to Fox on scheduling games, overzealous security and trying to attract/market to 'families that only go to the once year big games'

Some interesting opinions

 

[pjennings]

Click the link and scroll down to the bottom (past all the advertising) to read some very interesting posts from both Roar & other A-League fans that are pissed off with the way their clubs and the FFA are not listening to the 'real football fans' & bowing to Fox on scheduling games, overzealous security and trying to attract/market to 'families that only go to the once year big games'

Some interesting opinions

I think some of the complaints are valid for us in terms of scheduling and security but our demographic to very different to MVC and WSW. We need to attract/market to families otherwise our 300,000 market quickly diminishes to probably 60,000.

 

[dibo]

That's just ad space - that could just as easily be time that is reserved for and sold by the league or tournament that they were playing in. We have ads on our boards for companies that aren't sponsors.

FWIW, nothing to do with the USAF is on their partners page.

Neverhtheless, I never said it wasn't doable - I surmised that they'd be more likely to sponsor a sport.