Turbulence (then calm sailing, then turbulence) thread.

[Big Al]

If they can't get a sponsor when playing in Asia I don't see North Sydney or Manly providing anything they are already to useless to get.

NSO was woeful. It will die in the arse just like NS did. Manly couldn't give a toss either.

Just destroying what we are.

If charlesworth loves Sydney so much he should have bought the wanderers

 

[sydmariner]

smh.com.au/sport/soccer/central-coast-mariners-stay-put-but-eye-a-shift-south-after-upgrade-20140227-33mem.html

main points
"Central Coast Mariners' home will remain at
Bluetongue Stadium in Gosford next season,
though a partial relocation to Sydney's
northern suburbs remains a possibility in
future years, with a proposed upgrade of
North Sydney Oval gathering momentum.

...but early indications suggest that the major items will
be affordable under the condition that they
can host up to four Mariners home games per
season...

''From our point of view, the opportunities
and strength that comes from being in this
location [Gosford] is part of the DNA of the
club and we need to get our business model
right before we start deciding whether to
move town,'' Stalder said. ''I really like the
idea of playing one, two but never more than
three games away - for all clubs in the A-League....

Central Coast Mariners owner Mike
Charlesworth has publicly reiterated his plans
to make a strategic push into Sydney's
northern districts and also held discussions
with NRL club Manly regarding the possibility
of bringing one home game to Brookvale
Oval."


so this reads as anywhere between one and five HOME games to be played in nth syd in the near future. four sounds more likely than five but these things are often undersold when unpopular.
this is in the relatively short term. I could see more going over the years. unless it's not as successful as hoped.
I'm trying to accept what is best for the survival of the club but it's a hard pill to swallow when I can't be sure the won't be a full relocation in time still

I'd be prepared 2 go 2 no more than 4 games per season ( not including preseason/nyl games) @ nso/ brookvale oval

 

[VicMariner]

Article says the club is looking to reintroduce a W-League team (cool). Why not let the youth and women's team play their home games in NS to raise our profile there?
The main event should remain on the coast.

I'd be prepared 2 go 2 no more than 4 games per season @ nso/ brookvale oval

That's about a third of the home games. Seems too many.......

 

[sydmariner]

Article says the club is looking to reintroduce a W-League team (cool). Why not let the youth and women's team play their home games in NS to raise our profile there?
The main event should remain on the coast.


That's about a third of the home games. Seems too many.......

Wouldn't playing the all the NYL (& the possible w-league) defeat the perpose of having the coe to a certain extent & re home games maby we should just keep it 2 a 1 off "community fixture"

 

[dibo]

Article says the club is looking to reintroduce a W-League team (cool). Why not let the youth and women's team play their home games in NS to raise our profile there?
The main event should remain on the coast.


That's about a third of the home games. Seems too many.......

*THIS*

The youth and women are really likely to live in Sydney too, so do a stitch up with MWFA, NSFA, NWSWF and GHFA (not to mention the bevy of GPS and CAS private school football programs) to provide link-ups between their NPL setups and the CCM NYL and WL setups. Drive brand awareness, highlight that it's an easy trip to see the A-League in Gosford and a great night out.

Even if we just get better support for the NYL and WL, that's no bad thing. It promotes the brand more widely without detracting from the core product or eroding the basic brand value. It also shores up development pathways that point to CCM, and ensures CCM has access to an area with (all up - CCF included) nearly than 60,000 players to market to.

 

[VicMariner]

Wouldn't playing the all the NYL (& the possible w-league) defeat the perpose of having the coe to a certain extent

AFAIK The COE includes an office tower development, RSL club, day care centre and a hotel, I think it'll survive not having NYL or W-L.

& re home games maby we should just keep it 2 a 1 off "community fixture"

Not many would have a problem with one moved game.

 

[bikinigirl]

*THIS*

The youth and women are really likely to live in Sydney too, so do a stitch up with MWFA, NSFA, NWSWF and GHFA (not to mention the bevy of GPS and CAS private school football programs) to provide link-ups between their NPL setups and the CCM NYL and WL setups. Drive brand awareness, highlight that it's an easy trip to see the A-League in Gosford and a great night out.

Even if we just get better support for the NYL and WL, that's no bad thing. It promotes the brand more widely without detracting from the core product or eroding the basic brand value. It also shores up development pathways that point to CCM, and ensures CCM has access to an area with (all up - CCF included) nearly than 60,000 players to market to.

. we have discussed this before and it seems to make sense on many levels - not the least of which is the poor attendance the WWL & NYL games have had even if played before the main fixture at CCS

. if the rent deals are that bloody cheap at these 'other grounds' and it is the reported financial windfall the club makes it out to be - perhaps they could stage one game 'away' ... but promote it as a day out for coasties - a festival of football and have the youth, womens and big boys teams all play on the same day at the same venue ... you could come for as much or as little as you want

. personally, i think anything other than that and they are diluting what they offer to committed fans (whether coasties or not), actually it also dilutes what they offer to the ffa & their cohorts too

 

[BrisRecky]

I grew up going to knuckle draggers (1970s) at Belmore Oval and getting 3 games for the price of admission, and while I understand the renting of grounds costing a fair bit...I really think that, with a little bit of help from Gallop and the FFA, a youth game ( or the girls) game before the HAL fixture would work and draw crowds...lots of people complaining about ticket prices, so give 'em double the football for the same price and they might start showing up...ya think

 

[bikinigirl]

I grew up going to knuckle draggers (1970s) at Belmore Oval and getting 3 games for the price of admission, and while I understand the renting of grounds costing a fair bit...I really think that, with a little bit of help from Gallop and the FFA, a youth game ( or the girls) game before the HAL fixture would work and draw crowds...lots of people complaining about ticket prices, so give 'em double the football for the same price and they might start showing up...ya think

. the problem is the 'first' team requirement to warm-up on the pitch which means the girls or kiddies have to start their game 3 hours before the main game ... making it 5 hours or so in the stadium. i think it is simply too much for most ... especially the youngens - or if you sit in the sun

. the crowds i remember were a couple of handfuls and many of those were probably only there so they could get the 'best' GA seats so they were there when the gates open regardless of what was happening. those extra couple of hours were where the costs were blowing out (catering/security/road closures) ... and for very little gain

. if the ffa were willing to fund this - they should (as a minimum) be willing to fund the extra rental costs to keep us on the coast and out of sydney

 

[sydmariner]

. we have discussed this before and it seems to make sense on many levels - not the least of which is the poor attendance the WWL & NYL games have had even if played before the main fixture at CCS

. if the rent deals are that bloody cheap at these 'other grounds' and it is the reported financial windfall the club makes it out to be - perhaps they could stage one game 'away' ... but promote it as a day out for coasties - a festival of football and have the youth, womens and big boys teams all play on the same day at the same venue ... you could come for as much or as little as you want

. personally, i think anything other than that and they are diluting what they offer to committed fans (whether coasties or not), actually it also dilutes what they offer to the ffa & their cohorts too

 

[midfielder]

NS council are planning to update NSO to A-League standards if they get 4 games per year ... smh today ... sorry cannot copy link...

 

[dibo]

NS council are planning to update NSO to A-League standards if they get 4 games per year ... smh today ... sorry cannot copy link...

I'm planning to be 6'4" with muscles like a sack full of coconuts and a beard a viking would be proud of too, but it ain't gonna happen.

It's the wrong shape, it's got next to no corporate facilities, it's got essentially no parking anywhere near it, it's a bitch to get to by public transport and there's a f**king cricket pitch in the middle of it. It's about as likely as Qatar building air conditioned stadiums. Anyone who falls for it is a capital-C chump.

 

[dibo]

AFAIK The COE includes an office tower development, RSL club, day care centre and a hotel, I think it'll survive not having NYL or W-L.

Not many would have a problem with one moved game.

Every two years, when the draw gives us a 14th "home" game, fine. Any other time, they can take the idea and stick it so far up their arses you can see it when they smile.

 

[iEatHands]

Central Coast Mariners stay put, but eye a shift south after upgrade

Central Coast Mariners' home will remain at Bluetongue Stadium in Gosford next season, though a partial relocation to Sydney's northern suburbs remains a possibility in future years, with a proposed upgrade of North Sydney Oval gathering momentum.

North Sydney Council is preparing to meet the standard, set by FFA, required to regularly host A-League games at North Sydney Oval by improving facilities and the playing surface in hope of luring the Mariners on a more regular basis.

The council is forecasting the costs involved to implement drop-in wickets, add lighting and build referee and medical rooms as well as media facilities, such as elevated access for camera crews. The full costing is not expected to be completed and submitted for council approval until late March but early indications suggest that the major items will be affordable under the condition that they can host up to four Mariners home games per season.

Sticking in Gosford: The Central Coast Mariners. Photo: Getty Images

North Sydney Council wants to bring the Mariners to the region as part of its rejuvenation of the central business district and is willing to finance the developments to do so.

''I'm going through the process of costing all of that and then I will come to council with a business plan that hopefully supports it,'' said Rob Emerson, North Sydney Council's director of open space and environmental services. ''I think it is [feasible].

''The A-League doesn't want to play over a cricket wicket over the centre so, if we want to bring games here, we have to bring in drop-in wickets. The lighting has to be increased a little bit … then we'll maybe have three or four games a season initially - that's been mooted as a possibility.''

Should council approve the funding of the upgrades of North Sydney Oval, it would only go ahead pending an agreement with the Mariners to bring more than one game a season.

The Mariners will not fully relocate to Sydney's northern suburbs and abandon their spiritual home in Gosford but North Sydney are understood to be hoping to secure a deal to bring four Mariners home games in years to come to make the project financially viable.

Central Coast Mariners' new chief executive, Bruce Stalder, wants the club to permanently remain north of Brooklyn Bridge but was interested in bringing the odd game or two further south to service the 20 per cent of the club's members who live in Sydney's northern suburbs.

The club is looking to reintroduce a W-League team that could play some games at North Sydney along with their youth team and some pre-season games for their senior men's team.

''From our point of view, the opportunities and strength that comes from being in this location [Gosford] is part of the DNA of the club and we need to get our business model right before we start deciding whether to move town,'' Stalder said. ''I really like the idea of playing one, two but never more than three games away - for all clubs in the A-League.''

Emerson said of the stadium upgrade: ''One game a year won't make it financially sustainable, so there will be some negotiations to and fro about it not only with the Central Coast Mariners but what other sporting code or club will play there if we undertake these improvements.''

Central Coast Mariners owner Mike Charlesworth has publicly reiterated his plans to make a strategic push into Sydney's northern districts and also held discussions with NRL club Manly regarding the possibility of bringing one home game to Brookvale Oval.

Charlesworth is looking to expand the club's brand beyond Gosford, which has been prompted by financial reasons and the links forged with the region's grassroots clubs within the Northern Suburbs Football Association.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...ter-upgrade-20140227-33mem.html#ixzz2uaIT5VW1

 

[sydmariner]

Article says the club is looking to reintroduce a W-League team (cool). Why not let the youth and women's team play their home games in NS to raise our profile there?
The main event should remain on the coast.


That's about a third of the home games. Seems too many.......

@ least it's better than 5 games

 

[eenfish]

I thought there was also a floor to the cap - that clubs could not deliberately spend below a certain amount to save costs. As for the FFA giving any unspent surplus to a club, I doubt that very much.

There is a minimum wage that a player can earn (in the realm of ~50k if I'm remembering right) plus you've gotta have 20 players or so at least, max of 23 or 25 I think (sans injury replacements), so you've got a baseline of about $1m at least for 20 players if you're gonna go the cheap way out.

That said, I think that the unspent surplus should be going to a club. Don't punish a club for being sensible with their wages.

 

[Roy Law]

Every two years, when the draw gives us a 14th "home" game, fine. Any other time, they can take the idea and stick it so far up their arses you can see it when they smile.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[bikinigirl]

Don't punish a club for being sensible with their wages.

. but it makes no sense to not spend the cap ... it doesn't cost us anything

 

[Roy Law]

That said, I think that the unspent surplus should be going to a club. Don't punish a club for being sensible with their wages.

Clubs already have the sensible control built in with the cap, except Sydney and Victory, who are exempt. I think, although I am not 100% sure, that FFA pays the wages, it is not a simple grant of $2.3 million (or whatever the amount is). That said, with the FFA now covering wages the smart clubs should have some spare moolah towards running costs. And as BG says, the club should now spend the full amount of the cap.

 

[Big Al]

I'm planning to be 6'4" with muscles like a sack full of coconuts and a beard a viking would be proud of too, but it ain't gonna happen.

It's the wrong shape, it's got next to no corporate facilities, it's got essentially no parking anywhere near it, it's a bitch to get to by public transport and there's a f**king cricket pitch in the middle of it. It's about as likely as Qatar building air conditioned stadiums. Anyone who falls for it is a capital-C chump.

They could use AFL goal posts. Won't stop MC from wanting to play there