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[Big Al]

Will just make victory sweater

 

[Rowdy]

That doesn't mean that he's not a sellout though - it just means that he has a reason to be one...

Define what's a 'sell-out'

But he's a sellout through and through for mine... He's been selling himself as our #1 fan for years, can't then go across to our biggest rivals without being tarnished.

There's a guy on this forum (who I wont out - despite many knowing) & he is undoubtedly a massive Mariners fan since Season 1 who also like Lawrie Mckinna, due to his employment with the FFA & subsequently Football NNSW has had to work for the Newcastle Jets.

His boss at Football NNSW, David Eland, was appointed to be the interim CEO at the Jet's by the FFA when they took the licence from Tinkler and thus took some of his FNNSW staff with him, including this diehard Mariners fan.

Now he could of, like everybody in life made a choice to not take the job opportunity.

But he didn’t, because he wasn't "selling-out" ! Selling-out his right, his belief in himself to continue being a true & solid Mariners fan. He was just taking it for what it was, an opportunity.

An opportunity to gain experience, learn and prove his abillities to work in Football administration at an elite level, which there are not a lot of opportunities available for people to work in this field.

So if you think this young guy isn't a sell-out, then neither is Lawrie, for Lawrie just taking a similar opportunity in this extremely 'opportunity-limited' field.

Lawrie can still be & I believe IS a huge supporter/fan of the Centrsl Coast Mariners, despite now working for The Scum, just like the young guy on this forum.

Lawrie has never stated like some players do that he's 'a one man club!' a'la Archie Thompson's etc. even though Archie is now pondering playing for another A-League club to continue doing what he loves ....... playing Football.
& if he does ? he too WONT be a sell-out.

It all comes down to one's beliefs, or in yours and others case, what you choose to believe. .

 

[Gratis]

Meh

At first it stung but now I don't care.
Lawrie as CEO at another club won't hurt us

 

[nebakke]

Define what's a 'sell-out'



There's a guy on this forum (who I wont out - despite many knowing) & he is undoubtedly a massive Mariners fan since Season 1 who also like Lawrie Mckinna, due to his employment with the FFA & subsequently Football NNSW has had to work for the Newcastle Jets.

His boss at Football NNSW, David Eland, was appointed to be the interim CEO at the Jet's by the FFA when they took the licence from Tinkler and thus took some of his FNNSW staff with him, including this diehard Mariners fan.

Now he could of, like everybody in life made a choice to not take the job opportunity.

But he didn’t, because he wasn't "selling-out" ! Selling-out his right, his belief in himself to continue being a true & solid Mariners fan. He was just taking it for what it was, an opportunity.

An opportunity to gain experience, learn and prove his abillities to work in Football administration at an elite level, which there are not a lot of opportunities available for people to work in this field.

So if you think this young guy isn't a sell-out, then neither is Lawrie, for Lawrie just taking a similar opportunity in this extremely 'opportunity-limited' field.

Lawrie can still be & I believe IS a huge supporter/fan of the Centrsl Coast Mariners, despite now working for The Scum, just like the young guy on this forum.

Lawrie has never stated like some players do that he's 'a one man club!' a'la Archie Thompson's etc. even though Archie is now pondering playing for another A-League club to continue doing what he loves ....... playing Football.
& if he does ? he too WONT be a sell-out.

It all comes down to one's beliefs, or in yours and others case, what you choose to believe. .

Heh - Whether it's a conscious choice or not, when is belief ever NOT something you choose?
Much as I'd like it to be so, there's no inherently evolutionary thing that has me supporting the Mariners, ultimately it probably boils down to a choice of convenience combined with local patriotism, timing and a bunch of other things which have lead to it being MY club.

I acknowledge and realise that there are limited options in the field - I guess the thing is that I feel like Lawrie has done so much both to try to engage the community and to try to build the excitement around derbies, that I feel a bit like he's abandoning a lot of what he has professed over the years. Hence the sellout tag.

To be quite honest, other than that, it hurt a bit when I first saw this idea floated a while back, these days, less so... Him being a sellout doesn't really affect me, it is just disappointing... Which is why, as I stated earlier, I don't bear him any particular ill-will... I just don't think he's lived up to his image so-to-speak.

At the core, for the sellout tag, there's a huge difference in my perception, between being "just a fan" and being "a club icon"... It might not always be fair, but that's life for you

 

[yorkshireman]

I have heard from a few places that he was asked to help the club with organising a 10 year deal for the ground and he refused which is why he wasn't to well liked in the hierarchy but also that he introduced the Chinese investors to us first and that the asking price for the Mariners was too high (15mill +) so they went to the Jests instead.
Again rumours but have heard both from several different people so who knows.

 

[MrCelery]

also that he introduced the Chinese investors to us first and that the asking price for the Mariners was too high (15mill +) so they went to the Jests instead.

That was the big question on my mind. As a Mariners loyalist, did Lawrie offer us this investor first? I would hope he did.

If the asking price for the Mariners included the COE, $15mill is not such a bad ask. Don't forget the Jets had (and still have) 'diddly squat' in terms of assets.

 

[dibo]

What's the net position though?

 

[style_cafe]

What's the net position though?

Usually one at each end of the field hanging from the goal posts

 

[FFC Mariner]

MC asked for too much money and off up the F3 to the scum they went.

So all the stories go. Smoke + fire etc.

 

[Rowdy]

If the asking price for the Mariners included the COE, $15mill is not such a bad ask. Don't forget the Jets had (and still have) 'diddly squat' in terms of assets.

Assets ???
Remember, after the FFA took the licence back from Tinkler & did their audit all they found was:

The Jets had $21m in debt, $605 in the bank & a Hyundai in the carpark!


By DONNA PAGE

June 19, 2015, 11 p.m.


http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3159384/the-jets-had-21m-in-debt-605-in-the-bank/?cs=305


A SPIDER’S web of $18million worth of inter-company loans kept Nathan Tinkler’s Newcastle Jets afloat, until the club buckled in May under the weight of more than $21million debt.


A creditors’ report has revealed that when the company was placed in voluntary administration it had $605.46 cash in the bank, $88 in office petty cash, gym equipment, some outdated merchandise and a 2009 Hyundai i30.


Further investigation revealed the club owed $1.5million in wages and superannuation, $1.1million to suppliers and $2.7million to the tax office.


The club had long been a financial basket-case.


According to Newcastle Jets Football Operations director Donna Dennis, the company failed for a host of reasons including overpaid executives and the inability to attract sponsors. Ms Dennis, who is Mr Tinkler’s sister, said “unfavourable treatment” by Football Federation Australia, “inability to terminate underperforming players” and a “small member base” all contributed to the club’s demise.


She went further to blame “excessive ground hiring costs by Hunter Venues”, “no support from Northern NSW Football”, “no cash flow assistance from FFA”, “close proximity” to Central Coast Mariners and “limited corporate hospitality revenue”.


Northern NSW Football chief David Eland described the claims as a ‘‘joke’’.


‘‘Northern NSW Football absolutely refutes that assertion,’’ Mr Eland said.


According to the company’s administrator, James Shaw, the club had difficulty attracting major sponsors and relied heavily on sponsorship that came from other Tinkler-related companies.


In 2013, when the tax office attempted to wind up the Jets over unpaid debts, Mr Tinkler’s Hunter Ports stepped in and paid a $2.1million bill.


Financial records reveal that sponsorship for the A-League club almost halved from $2.2million in the 2012-13 financial year to $1.2million this year.


At the same time, match day sales plummeted from $720,000 to $366,000, merchandise sales dropped from $320,000 to $158,000 and corporate hospitality income slumped $140,000.


The club was underperforming and was plagued by falling crowd numbers.


When Jets players walked onto Hunter Stadium to face Perth Glory on April 6, they were met by a record-low crowd of 4192. Fans vented their frustration at coach Phil Stubbins and the club’s worst season on record by unveiling a giant banner at half-time that stretched across three bays of the Andrew Johns Stand.


“Enough failure lies and arrogance 10,000 fans demand the muppet gone,” it read.


The only income to increase at the trouble-prone club in the two years to June was FFA’s annual grant to pay player wages that went from $1.9million to $2.7million.


Insiders told the Herald a lack of cash flow spurred the end of the former mining magnate’s reign.


According to company records, executive expenses at the club increased more than 300 per cent from $131,000 in 2012-13 to $469,000 this financial year, while the amount spent on players dropped from $4.1million to $3.3million.


Despite cost-cutting efforts that saw administration expenses slashed and youth league spending cut, the financial losses continued to mountpressure on Mr Tinkler’s crumbling business empire, which was having its own cash-flow problems.


Internal company accounts reveal the Jets recorded a $4.4million loss in the year to June 2013, a further $2million loss the next year and $1.3million this financial year.

And as you can see from the photo's below, the Jet's staff all but destroyed any resale value on that solitary Hyundai i30 the FFA found in the carpark.

 

[Rowdy]

Finally an owner to get the Jets flying:

By
Sebastian Hassett
15 JUN 2016

Here we go again. The Newcastle Jets are under new management.

Stop me if you’ve heard it before, as this will be the fifth different owner (counting Football Federation Australia twice) in 11 years.

It is a sad, sorry tale of mismanagement, neglect and egocentric individuals refusing to do the right thing by the people of the Hunter Valley.

Now those same people are being asked to rise again. Having been burned badly by the Nathan Tinkler regime, and previously seen the wheels fall off under Con Constantine, there seems little reason for the locals to emotionally invest once more.

But they must. They have to. And if new chairman Martin Lee makes good on his promise to get the Jets into the Asian Champions League inside three years, they’ll have no choice.

The FFA get criticised for all sorts of things yet they’ve handled this one well, seizing the licence from Tinkler, holding the asset for a year before selling it off to somebody who knows you can’t spell ‘investor’ without ‘invest’. It's time the Jets were flooded with serious liquidity.

Importantly, the FFA didn’t give it away cheaply, nor did they give it to the first bidder. The governing body bled to keep the Jets afloat but it’s now proven a worthy spend - the rumoured $5.5 million purchase price leaves plenty in the bank.

The Ledman Group are appealing for a range of reasons. Firstly, capital is not an issue and Lee is now one of the richest men in the A-League.

That doesn’t guarantee cash flow, as we all know, but he’s already sponsored the entire Portuguese second division - albeit with a failed plan to insert a Chinese player into each team - and owns Shenzhen Renren, a Chinese League Two side. He at least knows the game.

President Xi Jinping is determined to see Chinese football grow, rapidly, and that means investment at home and abroad - starting with the river of world stars cascading into the Chinese Super League.

But it also explains why Suning Commerce Group just paid $307 million for 70 per cent of Inter Milan and why AC Milan will probably end up in Chinese hands before next season.

For $5.5 million, the Jets are a snip. It’s not the day-to-day grind of the A-League that makes it good value. It’s all the rest.

Don’t underestimate all the political gravitas Lee gains from owning an Australian club, with all the opportunities that generates in China. I’m talking way beyond winning games - think trade, education, training, brand-building, exposure for his companies. Truthfully, it’s only limited by what he makes of it.

He’s got the right man on the ground, too. Lawrie McKinna might be a Mariners’ man to the bone but the best of the best have swapped sides for years. Best of all, he knows what it will take to re-engage with the community, and how damaged the relationship is. As a one-man sales pitch, there are few better.

Besides, the Mariners have outright rejected him in recent times. That’s their prerogative, but you can’t blame McKinna for looking elsewhere, especially now he's no longer Gosford mayor.

On the field, it’s a team that needs to start winning, and a club that needs to start having standards and values. Work has been done here but so much is left to do.

Coach Scott Miller will get another year to impose his will. Year one revealed little about his managerial ability; poor results, but no money to spend, and a squad he didn’t get to mould. The pressure is on to perform next season and if he’s a top manager in the making, he should crave that anyway. Lee will see it the same way.

But the most important thing in all of this is the fans. Without buy-in from the community, the Jets are a failure, regardless of what Lee, McKinna or Miller say and do.

We’ve seen the crowds at Hunter Stadium vary from average to good to poor to ordinary - and in a brief time between November 2007 and August 2009, incredible. They are the lifeblood of football in a region that desperately needs round ball rejuvenation.

This is the opportunity for a fresh start for anyone involved with or who cares about the Jets. May it be the start of something special, for we've waited long enough. My fingers and toes are crossed.

 

[Rowdy]

Interesting ......

Lawrie McKinna might be a Mariners’ man to the bone but the best of the best have swapped sides for years.

Seems Seb think's that he is

 

[nebakke]

Interesting ......


Seems Seb think's that he is

but the best of the best have swapped sides for years.

He also seems to think that it might not be staying like that ;-)

 

[FFC Mariner]

Just a thought but if the scum had to advertise for a new CEO, do you think Lawries resume would get him the gig?

Happy to be corrected but running a sporting organisation (especially one as dysfunctional as the scum) requires serious management and administrative training and experience. I don't think he has that.

Footballer
Coach
Rep for sportswear company
Coach
GM of football operations
Local councillor

He is a genuinely good guy who will work hard with a great attitude but he doesn't know what he doesn't know

 

[FFC Mariner]

Still. #FTS eh?

 

[dibo]

Agent McKinna. Bringing them down from the inside.

 

[Paolo]

Footballer
Coach
Rep for sportswear company
Coach
GM of football operations
Local councillor

And
Local Cleaning Business

 

[dibo]

Now he's Cleaning Up Newcastle!

Can I suggest as a start:

 

[Luca Brasi]

His main attribute is that he is very personable, people like him and he was responsible for the success of our early community engagement - this is clearly a priority for the scum. In his time as Mayor he was the elected head of an organisation of 1200 people and a revenue of over $300m. I agree he lacks the specific management qualifications to run large organisations but he is astute enough to employ and listen to people who can, it was on his watch that the Gosford CBD development was secured. He will know all the tricks managers and players try to get away with, as long as he gets a strong CFO I think he will do well. He is still a scummer though.

 

[Timmah]

In his time as Mayor he was the elected head of an organisation of 1200 people and a revenue of over $300m

He was elected head of council by his councillor peers - CEO (Paul Anderson) was the person in charge of the 1200 people and $300m revenue.