The 'Let's just unbunch our frickin panties for a moment' thread

[Forum Phoenix]

just waiting to pounce hey?

1. You havent answered the question. After so many rounds exactly when should the fans be concerned?

Maybe you should define "concerned" first. I'm a bit concerned after 4 straight losses that we might end up at the bottom of the table this season, yeah. I'm a bit concerned about losing quality players in January. But I won't go running around calling for the coach's head or anything like that. Give it a few seasons of coming last before going that far - I don't understand the revolving door attitude to recruitment of players and staff in this sport... it has me confused

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Quality post.

 

[fruitbat]

just waiting to pounce hey?

1. You havent answered the question. After so many rounds exactly when should the fans be concerned?

Maybe you should define "concerned" first. I'm a bit concerned after 4 straight losses that we might end up at the bottom of the table this season, yeah. I'm a bit concerned about losing quality players in January. But I won't go running around calling for the coach's head or anything like that. Give it a few seasons of coming last before going that far - I don't understand the revolving door attitude to recruitment of players and staff in this sport... it has me confused

For 'Concerned' read having your 'frickin panties' bunched. You'll need to contact the original poster for his definition.
Travis  Wee Mac  and Doig (when fit) have turned out to be quality players, but despite their significant  contributions we are sliding down the table (hopefully not to rock bottom).
The initail post suggested that it was early days and that 4th place was acceptable. I think its a fair question to ask now that is late in the season and we are further down, when exactly should we have the 'frickin panties' bunched.  I dont think we should wait for a few years at the bottom of the table before giving McKinna the heave ho. You are being a bit too generous there. While Sydney FC (who can understandably be confused with the  "Sydney Rangers" http://www.sydneyrangersfc.com.au/v2/index.php ) have had a revolving door of coaches, they finally got it right.

 

[fruitbat]

But if you are interested in the success of the team, sometimes its necessary to put your own discomfort or concern aside, as in reality, with only 7 games left, the only thing that will make a positive difference form our end surely is by throwing all our support behind the team and seeing if we can't help them come good.

Might as well save all our, just not good enough, has to go, blah blah blah fan conjecture, till we finish up now... as it can only make a negative impact... and besides...

f**k all else to do in the off season.

So for mine,  I'm determined just to go and enjoy the last remaining games, be great to win, but I'm not expecting anything much out of them except to give my support and enjoy doing so.

Hello Phoenix,
I am interested in the fortunes of the team, but I dont think applauding or accepting poor performances does the team any good. The players know when they have performed badly.  I'm guessing that when you say that supporting them can make a positive difference, you mean attending games? Well Yes, I will be shelling out another hard earned $100 on New Years Eve (2 adults + 4 kids) to watch our team play. Its quite an expensive exercise and understandably its nice to get value for money from the game. Like you I hope we get some wins at the pointy end of the season.

 

[Ted]

tbh i have a wedgie

Just doig it out mate

 

[Atomic]

tbh i have a wedgie

Just doig it out mate

Butt cheeks clenched, sphincter shut tight.

 

[mariners4ever]

TBH yes we should've won at least 2 of these past 5 losses, we all know that, but everyone must remember that we're only one win out the top 6, and next 2 games are against 2 teams who are below us. IMO if we cant win this game against the fury, then we can start thinking about next season. F**k me there is still 6 games left, the competition is still tight, doesnt matter they have lost 5 on the trott, lets get behind the boys (and that means no abusing ) and fight for a place in the top 4 or 6.

 

[bikinigirl]

doesnt matter they have lost 5 on the trott

;D freudian double 't'?

 

[Forum Phoenix]

TBH yes we should've won at least 2 of these past 5 losses, we all know that, but everyone must remember that we're only one win out the top 6, and next 2 games are against 2 teams who are below us. IMO if we cant win this game against the fury, then we can start thinking about next season. F**k me there is still 6 games left, the competition is still tight, doesnt matter they have lost 5 on the trott, lets get behind the boys (and that means no abusing ) and fight for a place in the top 4 or 6.

Good post.

 

[FFC Mariner]

PT and LG might just want to take a few seconds out from the CoE and provide some guidance  to their members about the current situation that the club is in. Even a dreaded "vote of confidence" would be better than the deafening silence.

Or are their fingers hovering over THIS:

 

[pjennings]

PT and LG might just want to take a few seconds out from the CoE and provide some guidance  to their members about the current situation that the club is in. Even a dreaded "vote of confidence" would be better than the deafening silence.

I like the idea of an open forum. I know that they don't have to do this.

I read the transcript about 6 months ago of a open forum conducted by McCabe at SUFC (who also did not have to do this). 
http://www.s24su.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=272:kevin-mccabe-qaa-session-transcript-part-one&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=62
Many were unhappy with directions at SUFC. However, McCabe gave calm rational answers to all the questions. You will always get people that disagree with you, but if you can explain your actions people are more able to understand and support you.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Not even an open forum really, just hear something from someone that says they have a plan

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I agree.

You do it through here, with submitted questions, then the mods can vet them...

Takes the unruly and the rude out of the equation...

Also think LM's tweets seem to have drastically cut down since he was "consulted" by the marketing dept or whoever it was after fox had a go at him.

Not many, singing in the car on the way too stuff anymore...

 

[Wombat]

I have a plan.

Close down opposing players when they have the ball.
Don't fall over when we have the ball.
Pass it to a player in the same yellow shirt.
Move to receive the ball when its not in your possession....its actually opens up spaces you know.
Don't wait for someone else to do it for you.
Aim at the goal when you shoot. Stay calm and its relatively easy.

Follow these simply rules and you WILL win games.

 

[MagpieMariner]

Point 1 of your plan I totally agree with. I'm a bit tired of seeing our guys standing on the half letting defenders set themselves up with no pressure. On the few occasions we pressured them, their disposal was less than optimal, in fact 90% of the time, they stuffed it. But 90% of bugger-all isn't much!
The principle of defending from the front has a lot of merit. It's much better to get hold of the ball from a turnover in your attacking half - you are then right on attack rather than having to get it out of defence before you can attack, thus giving the other defence time to stifle your attackers.
We have been the beneficiary of this a couple of times this year: the 15 second goal in the first match against Fury; Travis' goal against Brisbane after a Craig Moore mistake - if Trav hadn't been up in his face, the back-pass would have been safely dealt with by the 'keeper, instead Trav got the softest goal of his career. In fact dare I say it, forward defence was very influential in those great 3-3 draws against Pissant Town & Bling last year. Our guys must get back to that style of play, and bloody soon.

 

[LFCMariners]

I'm not sure what the rest of you think of this, but I am wondering if the Mariners need to move on from their Season 1 "Nobody rates our chances, we're underdogs" attitude. Somebody else was saying it on these forums, but we seem to lack the arrogance that teams like Melbourne display when they are in form. It's time the club as a whole stopped priding itself on being that little team from the smallest market that punches above its' weight, and took on a more arrogant, "Well of course we expect to do well- we're the Mariners!" attitude.

I'm not suggesting Lyall Gorman comes out next season and says we'll go through undefeated or anything like that, but I think what the club prides itself on has got to change from being a nice place to live with a decent football team as well, to being the club that every other player in the League wishes they could play for. We need to be the team that goes on the pitch and shows no mercy, and when we knock off the big guns from Robina or Sydney or Melbourne, takes it in our stride and says "Yeah, what did you expect?" rather than creaming our pants going "OMG what an upset!!!"

Thoughts?

 

[FFC Mariner]

I have a plan.

Close down opposing players when they have the ball.
Don't fall over when we have the ball.
Pass it to a player in the same yellow shirt.
Move to receive the ball when its not in your possession....its actually opens up spaces you know.
Don't wait for someone else to do it for you.
Aim at the goal when you shoot. Stay calm and its relatively easy.

Follow these simply rules and you WILL win games.

Thats absolutely and completely NOT what I meant

When was the last time we heard from the higher powers about where we are going as a club. I'm not talking about a whole lot of cliched motherhood statements about the CoE, I'm talking about

Going to Canberra and f**king over the members
The disaster that was our ACL campaign
Recruitment

Etc

 

[adz]

I have a plan.

Close down opposing players when they have the ball.
Don't fall over when we have the ball.
Pass it to a player in the same yellow shirt.
Move to receive the ball when its not in your possession....its actually opens up spaces you know.
Don't wait for someone else to do it for you.
Aim at the goal when you shoot. Stay calm and its relatively easy.

Follow these simply rules and you WILL win games.

Thats absolutely and completely NOT what I meant

When was the last time we heard from the higher powers about where we are going as a club. I'm not talking about a whole lot of cliched motherhood statements about the CoE, I'm talking about

Going to Canberra and f**king over the members
The disaster that was our ACL campaign
Recruitment

Etc

Exactly, COE is good for long term but are we doing anything about what's going on now?

 

[fruitbat]

I have a plan.

Close down opposing players when they have the ball.
Don't fall over when we have the ball.
Pass it to a player in the same yellow shirt.
Move to receive the ball when its not in your possession....its actually opens up spaces you know.
Don't wait for someone else to do it for you.
Aim at the goal when you shoot. Stay calm and its relatively easy.

Follow these simply rules and you WILL win games.

Thats absolutely and completely NOT what I meant

When was the last time we heard from the higher powers about where we are going as a club. I'm not talking about a whole lot of cliched motherhood statements about the CoE, I'm talking about

Going to Canberra and f**king over the members
The disaster that was our ACL campaign
Recruitment

Etc

Good luck, unfortuntely you maybe seeking change from a compromised source (management) because according to the old adage "a fish starts stinking from the head".

 

[dibo]

we've got some good minds on here - people who can pick their ways through a problem and delve into it, isolating the bad from the good and focussing minds on what needs to be excised without harming what is healthy...


...and then we've got fruitbat, determined to take a machete to the whole shebang because we're in a bad trot and disappearing when we're not.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I have noticed that whenever we lose if you look out over blue tongue, you'll see the fruit bat signal... shining on the clouds over GOTHford city...

Dannannaanananananananannaaaaa,
Dananananananananananananaaaaa,
Fruitbaaaaaat...
Fruitbaaaaaat...
Fruitbaaaat.


[/quote]

Exactly, COE is good for long term but are we doing anything about what's going on now?

[/quote]

I agree. For a family club, which I thought we were...  we don't talk to our extended family very often. Just because we've got a few narky assed relatives in the fam, doesn't mean we shouldn't stay in touch, and I think more communication would help appease those who tend to explode when we are out of form...

Also with a small population, I think its pretty essential. Just like all the grass roots work that got us set up... thats relationship building... but then you need to work in maintaining your relationship.

I think the tweets are a good addition and step in the right direction... But they are just tid bits, and we need a bit more meat I think. Our community is just too small. We need unity and leadership via communication from the top down.

It's almost like the phrase - idle hand are the devils workshop... If you have problems and people are left to come up with their own versions of why and what to do... You won't tend to find people gravitate to the more positive of outlooks... and they aren't... and I don't think we can underestimate how damaging this can be too a small community.

I know that due to my known passion many people in my social circles will say "Hey whats going on with the mariners?" And I'm sure many people on here experience the same thing... Our opinions must have siginificant flow on into our community...

Surely some sort of initiative in this area if structured well could only better things?