RND 13 PERTH

[fedelta]

Bring back the Beauchamp

Might be a unique double. playing ACL and UCL in one year.

Only player I can think of who might have gone close would be Rivaldo, he played UCL last season and ACL this season, or have I got that wrong?

correct

 

[serious14]

Blackadder - I've "picked" on other players before, if you dig into the Melbourne game thread you'll even note that I called out Caceres for his poor game at the Dome.  It's very common knowledge that he is by far my favourite player in the current squad, yet I am still willing to let him know when he had a bad game.

My problem (per se) with Hutcho, is that he's in too important a position to be playing as badly as he is (and has been) to the point where it's affecting the way the rest of the team plays.  My rants might be comedically exaggerated and over-the-top, but I do try my best to put an actual point in there somewhere. 

DV - Hutcho was fine in V1, was injured for most of V2, and was quite exceptional for parts of V3.  As you're no doubt aware, I think he's been rubbish for all of V4 bar one game, so I'm not sure if it's a "he doesn't have Gumps and Tommy alongside him" syndrome, or if it's the responsibility of bossing the entirety of central-midfield by himself.

Shipwreck - my theory is that it's his weak knee giving him troubles.  Wilko really has not been the same player since his knee injury.

 

[marinermick]

When Hutch was playing at his best last season he didn't have Gumpy or Tommy (for many games) playing alongside him because they were injured so this is a non-argument. Similarly in season one as Tommy was injured a fair bit.

I believe that much of this is not Hutcho's fault. I think he getting swamped in the midfield as we play three strikers and an attacking midfielder that does not defend. That is effectively four strikers and two less midfielders. That only leaves Hutcho and Mile covering defensively in the midfield both wide and in the middle, as well as being the fulcrum for ball distribution to the strikers. That is a shitload of work to do. It is not surprise that both Hutcho and Mile top the kilometres in a game with the GPS tracking devices.

Now Mile is just an exceptional player and one of the best in the league and he is suffering less, though I do think his game has slipped since we went to three strikers and gave Caceras a free attacking role.

There is no one else in the squad who could possibly do Hutcho and Mile's job under the current system and they are both being asked to do a rediculous amount or work because their fitness is amongst the best in the squad judging by the fitness tests the club does regularly.

Add Hutch's enormous influence over team morale and everything he does for the squad, young players, his organisation of team events in the squad, him being the focus for motivation and team spirit, him being the team general in making sure the gaffer's instructions are being undertaken, and you have one extremely important team member whose value is far more than any minute on the field.

It is unfortunate that his game is sufferring under this system, but hey, this is hutcho and he would bleed for the mariners and his team mates, and happily have his game diminshed if it means the betterment of the squad.

But, hey, let's not think about the broad picture and rip the shit out of him, because as Keensy said every team needs a target, and he is an easy target when we don't win.

 

[brett]

Did anyone else notice Wilko fall over ever so gimpishly infront of Nikita for Perths second goal? Cant help but wonder if he would of gotten his foot to it in time if he managed the difficult task of maintaining a vertical position, then again, Wilkinsons positioning lately hasnt been his greatest strength anyway!

Wilko slipped - arguably making him one of about 5 players who were at fault for that goal - but what was amazing is that it looked like he still tried to lunge his face in front of Ruka's shot at the critical moment. If that was the case, it was incredibly brave, and as a (amateur) centre back it is something every instinct in your body forces you not to do. And he is a lot better looking than me. Or maybe he just fell awkwardly.

 

[Part_Timer]

And he is a lot better looking than me.

agreed

 

[Redline]

This header shows why Hutcho is still awesome

 

[marinermick]

This header shows why Hutcho is still awesome

good to see covic is shit in the virtual world as well

 

[Redline]

When did Covic start playing for West Ham??

That's R. Green, rated 80.

 

[marinermick]

When did Covic start playing for West Ham??

That's R. Green, rated 80.

watched your mariners v jets game as well

 

[Redline]

Ah ok. lol. Ironically enough, Heff got taken off with an injury from memory.

 

[midfielder]

If and/or when we play well, won't it be a bit boring??  

I'm sure you will find something serious, we can't play perfect football for 90 mins can we?

Pretty sure no team can..... it's a very rare occasion that happens (most prominent example I can think of is ManYoo vs. Aston Villa last season when we demolished them 4-0 playing some of the most football I've ever seen)

It wasnt 90 minutes.. but last season (I think it was), Man Utd v Newcastle United.
0-0 at half time. 6-0 full time.

Wrong it was the seven goals against Roma

 

[midfielder]

marinermick

Good analysis your last post on our midfield work rate...

 

[David Votoupal]

So you're arguing that Caceres doesn't track back to defend (something plenty of playmakers are guilty of doing) thereby leaving Hutchison frustrated?

 

[scottmac]

So you're arguing that Caceres doesn't track back to defend (something plenty of playmakers are guilty of doing) thereby leaving Hutchison frustrated?

Or Petrovski & Simon?? All you have done Marinermick, is make an excuse for Hutch, and prove Serious' point, his form is shite. Who wants a clubman that does all his best work off the field?

Make him an assistant coach if he has that much influence over the team. Its influence over the play we need from him when on the field.

 

[FFC Mariner]

If you are going to play 3 up front, then all of them need to work their bollocks off to defend from the front.

Dylan and Matty have incredible work rates and Saso does a fair bit (although even his biggest fan would admit that hard graft is not really part of his game).

Where we come under pressure is against a team that doesnt try to play it out from the back and allows their defenders to be closed down by the front 3 (Syd,Scum,Adelaide)

If a team moves the ball quickly, we can get swamped in MF (Perth/MV)

 

[Wombat]

I'd play Hutcho on the either flank just not in Centre Mid.

 

[marinermick]

I'd play Hutcho on the either flank just not in Centre Mid.

it is certainly an option but under the current system our flank men are either the fullbacks or the strikers

 

[marinermick]

So you're arguing that Caceres doesn't track back to defend (something plenty of playmakers are guilty of doing) thereby leaving Hutchison frustrated?

and mile, but that is their job

adrian is given a free role so all the defensive midfielder duties (wide and in the middle) fall on mile and hutch

it is not glamorous but necessary if you want four strikers

 

[marinermick]

So you're arguing that Caceres doesn't track back to defend (something plenty of playmakers are guilty of doing) thereby leaving Hutchison frustrated?

All you have done Marinermick, is make an excuse for Hutch, and prove Serious' point, his form is shite.

I can see why you say this but I am doing nothing of the sort.

I am arguing that the defensively midfielders have such an enormous work load that they are both sufferring in their form (aside from Mile's set pieces).

I am arguing that Mile is one of the best players in the A-league so he is barely achieving a pass mark at the moment.

I am arguing that, aside from Stu Musailik and Mile Jedinak probably, no player (in the mariners squad or at other teams) could achieve this sort of functionality under the system because it is so attacking.

I am arguing that Hutch is our best option in there because GPS tracking proves he has one of the highest workrates in the team and without him being there we would be swamped more.

And finally, I am arguing that Hutch is the heart and soul of the club and that his value on and off the park is far more than most people realise.

 

[FFC Mariner]

But Mick,

Heart and soul of the club is probably a bit strong perhaps? Key leader in the players group, possibly I dont know, but there are other players who have "stronger" bonds with the fans.

More "affection" seems to be shown towards players who make more than a half hearted effort to engage the fans than him and maybe he has a PR problem more that a playing problem.

Gumps hasnt set the world alight for a while now but who do you think would be voted more popular? Even "Disco Nik" seems to generate more affection from the crowd than Hutcho.

We do possibly need a specialist DM alongside Mile with the 433 and I agree, thats not Hutcho's ideal role.

A more popular player might be getting applauded for battling away in an unatural role??

Or we just take Kwas back and everyone can go back to picking on him?