RD 19: Mariners at WSW Away at Spotless Stadium.

[sydmariner]

Great away turnout COYY

 

[Wombat]

Great away turnout COYY
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PP hasn't spilt his beer in that pic.

 

[go you yellow]

I think it's time - PAULO = LEGEND

 

[MagpieMariner]

It's great -- Wanderers = clueless & winless at Spotless.

 

[Big Al]

Still far from perfect but holding tight at the back when being dominated and riding our luck.
Last year we would have turned to water in that first half

Bloody Santalab comes on and gets 3 opportunities, lucky he fluffed them but no wonder he has 6 goals in 5 games against us before that game. Gets between the CB's so smartly and you know it's our day when he doesn't score against us.

Posco was always decent but with Paulo setting a tighter structure he is blossoming, he's not getting pulled out of position by trying to hard to cover his incompetent team mates.

How good,was it to see in the first half Nicholls got through and it was Storm who covered the run. Wombat will be proud

 

[tim...]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/875395651825/Sneaky-foul-by-ODonovan

I genuinely would not be surprised if Roy get suspended for this
EDIT: Just to be clear (the several other occasions where I said 'nothing in it' I guess weren't clear enough), I'm not saying he should get suspended - just that the MRP are so full of shit that I wouldn't be surprised.

I believe WSW would need to make an 'obvious error' submission for this to be assessed, wouldn't they? They'd have a hard time charging this.

 

[tim...]

Also, how good is it to get a spotless clean sheet?

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Write up by FourFourTwo of Roy's Fox Sports post game interview:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/odonovan-mariners-maturity-key-to-win-450828

 

[nebakke]

Still far from perfect but holding tight at the back when being dominated and riding our luck.
Last year we would have turned to water in that first half

Bloody Santalab comes on and gets 3 opportunities, lucky he fluffed them but no wonder he has 6 goals in 5 games against us before that game. Gets between the CB's so smartly and you know it's our day when he doesn't score against us.

Posco was always decent but with Paulo setting a tighter structure he is blossoming, he's not getting pulled out of position by trying to hard to cover his incompetent team mates.

How good,was it to see in the first half Nicholls got through and it was Storm who covered the run. Wombat will be proud

I thought about this a bit after the game... I think, in fairness, you can't discount the defense in Santalab's bad luck... The way I see it, there are a couple of different kinds of "bad luck" for this sort of thing...

There's the ole "rub-of-the-green" - when the ref is useless, doesn't like the team or just happens to be in a bad position and so, doesn't call the WSW blatant handball in the penalty area even though the entire stadium sees it - hypothetically That's the sort of sh*t that happens and that we've suffered under a bit this season... It's also the sort of thing where I tend to call bullshit on anyone who claims that winning teams win in spite of is... That's true if it happens once or twice in a game, but noone wins in spite of it if you're called offside every time you get the ball in teh opposition half, because there just isn't any way to work with that (not that ours have been that dire, but you get my drift).

Then there's the "THAT-SITTER-SHOULD-HAVE-BEEN-A-GOAL"-type error... Once or twice probably does fall into the rub-of-the-green category, but when you see several of them, I tend to think that the defense might be helping the "luck" a little bit... That's not to say that it's entirely down to them but, a player who feels pressured is going to be more likely to make those mistakes... If the thinks he can saunder into the field and shoot at his leisure, he'll be less stressed and so, make fewer mistakes.
I'll need to rewatch but, for mine, while in particular the one that went across the face of goal, from Santalab, looked like an absolute sitter, I'm thinking that RoseJr may have done just enough to push him down to an angle where he couldn't get on it the way he should've - combined with the rest of the defence disturbing their attack.

Again - don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that defense was flawless, at all! Or even that Wanderers couldn't have at least equalised and potentially won... Just that what looks like "bad luck" on the broadcast, often includes an element of decent defending.

 

[dibo]

We didn't mark Santalab at all well and were lucky not to be punished. Just before the penalty he was standing free as a bird at the far post, waiting for the cross from Clisby (I think?) to come over. We're desperately lucky that he miskicked it, getting nice and side on but got too much heel and batted his effort wide.

But there's something in the combo of Rose and Poscoliero - they've got speed, they've got ball-playing ability and there's a bit of simple desperation about them.

McGing is also very handy next to Monty. That's been coming too, he's a decent player. Either Ascroft or (more likely) Berry will have to come in alongside McGing next week, but the structure we have is now very well sorted I think. There are fewer obvious gaps.

This is in large part down to Fab doing far better at 10 than I thought he was going to. Against Wanderers before Christmas and City on NYE he played a bit there and was completely unconvincing. Took too long on the ball and wanted to do too much. He's simplified his game to make the most of his mobility and makes some really deft touches. He's now very hard to shut down - DMs are having trouble keeping up with him when he's popping up deep, on either wing or as a second striker from time to time. If Okon's made that part of the team plan then hats off, it's been a game changer.

It's given Roy and the wingers more freedom too. We're able to sting sides from further away from goal, which with our speed in the front 4 suits us down to the ground.

Galloway's been solid as well - LB was a weakness for us with neither Galloway nor Neill locking down the spot, but now things are quiet there. That's a good thing - we're not worried about that flank.

And Izzo... FMD, what a game, what a season. There's a good piece in the Herald on him (click here) talking about how last year hurt, and how he used the #Izzoout thing as a motivator. There was a real current of frustration through his quotes, and I can't blame him for feeling bitter about last year. TBH I also can't blame him if he sees our current support for him as fickle and insincere. But whether he stays with us next year or not (and that decision I think will be up to him now - he's earned that right) I think we have to doff our caps to him and say "fair play, you've proved a lot of people wrong". Whatever he decides, I wish him well.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

We didn't mark Santalab at all well and were lucky not to be punished. Just before the penalty he was standing free as a bird at the far post, waiting for the cross from Clisby (I think?) to come over. We're desperately lucky that he miskicked it, getting nice and side on but got too much heel and batted his effort wide.

But there's something in the combo of Rose and Poscoliero - they've got speed, they've got ball-playing ability and there's a bit of simple desperation about them.

McGing is also very handy next to Monty. That's been coming too, he's a decent player. Either Ascroft or (more likely) Berry will have to come in alongside McGing next week, but the structure we have is now very well sorted I think. There are fewer obvious gaps.

This is in large part down to Fab doing far better at 10 than I thought he was going to. Against Wanderers before Christmas and City on NYE he played a bit there and was completely unconvincing. Took too long on the ball and wanted to do too much. He's simplified his game to make the most of his mobility and makes some really deft touches. He's now very hard to shut down - DMs are having trouble keeping up with him when he's popping up deep, on either wing or as a second striker from time to time. If Okon's made that part of the team plan then hats off, it's been a game changer.

It's given Roy and the wingers more freedom too. We're able to sting sides from further away from goal, which with our speed in the front 4 suits us down to the ground.

Galloway's been solid as well - LB was a weakness for us with neither Galloway nor Neill locking down the spot, but now things are quiet there. That's a good thing - we're not worried about that flank.

And Izzo... FMD, what a game, what a season. There's a good piece in the Herald on him (click here) talking about how last year hurt, and how he used the #Izzoout thing as a motivator. There was a real current of frustration through his quotes, and I can't blame him for feeling bitter about last year. TBH I also can't blame him if he sees our current support for him as fickle and insincere. But whether he stays with us next year or not (and that decision I think will be up to him now - he's earned that right) I think we have to doff our caps to him and say "fair play, you've proved a lot of people wrong". Whatever he decides, I wish him well.

Terrific summation of Izzo's situation Dibo, he deserves a hell of a lot of credit for doing what he did after last season and so does Matt Nash.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Yeah, I read the article about Izzo. I also picked up that there still seems to be some resentment on his end - but copping the flak he did would have hurt like hell.
But knowing that's what he's been though and that he has risen from that only makes his story only more amazing and gives me more respect from him.
And yeah, knowing people are talking badly about you is part of the job - tough to deal with though, especially if he knows he is underperforming.

I didn't like hearing about him copping abuse just walking around the street - that's not on.

 

[dibo]

Forgot to add the link - now added, also here: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...izzo-silences-the-haters-20170211-guaogt.html

 

[dibo]

Also...

Here's your famous RBB.

 

[Holy]

Yeah, I read the article about Izzo. I also picked up that there still seems to be some resentment on his end - but copping the flak he did would have hurt like hell.
But knowing that's what he's been though and that he has risen from that only makes his story only more amazing and gives me more respect from him.
And yeah, knowing people are talking badly about you is part of the job - tough to deal with though, especially if he knows he is underperforming.

I didn't like hearing about him copping abuse just walking around the street - that's not on.

I just read it and picked up on that too. I just hope he doesn't take that to another level and use it as a motivator to leave.

I also hated hearing he was copping abuse just walking down the street, poor guy, he didn't deserve that.

MC and TW are the one's to blame. What they did to these young guys by throwing them to the wolves had the potential to ruin careers before they had barely begun.

I'm just thankful that it didn't ruin Izzo's, but is sounds like it was close.

For mine, he has shown to be a person of immense character. The tenacity to knuckle down in order to prove everyone wrong and the obvious work ethic gone into achieving what he has thus far this season, is truly inspirational and a credit to him.

At this stage of the season, I can't see anyone more deserving of the Mariners Medal.

Would love to see the YA do a banner showing some love to him at this week's home game.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Would love to see the YA do a banner showing some love to him at this week's home game.

That's actually a brilliant idea - and he's certainly earned some individual attention like that.

 

[Big Al]

That abuse could cost us but to be fair how would that stack up to Europe? Unfortunately it's part of being a sportsman and the performances were horrible. He knocked himself out out side the box for shit sake.

For me social media is more the problem, players of the past would have copped the same abuse but gone home and forgot about it or just abused back.

Now our teens are on social media so often there is no let up and they have lost the art of saying or it's a key board warrior who wouldn't know shit about keeping. The young guys and girls can't handle not being popular.

I wonder how much time he spent reading #izzoout and how much that effected his performance last year.

His parents would be proud no matter what, but more importantly he will feel proud of himself

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Not excusing it, I've always fought against savaging our own, good or bad, typically does more harm than good imo, but the truth is izzo would have copped the same from any supporter group on the planet. Worse from some. It's human nature.

Look at McFlynn, attacked by his own supporters or Aloisi... a national hero who copped it worse than probably anyone else has ever in the Hal.

He's human too. So he resents it. That's normal. But with the growth hes showing personally and on field this season hopefully he is also realising (and being counciled) that it was A) not all fans B) a function of tribalism common to any subset of fans. C) his performances played a large part in it. In the same way they are now in his being revered. I don't think any of the support for him is "insincere" right now. But fan support will always be fickle. That's the nature of the game.

But no...sadly it won't surprise now if at the first serious offer he'll be off because of the bitterness it's all left in his mouth. Also I'd bet my house there's been plenty of axe grinding clowns using it to try and undermine his position here with us. Caught fox idiots a few times trying to play him off us a bit.

If he goes it can serve as a lesson to us on here at least I think. We can't control most fans, or Facebook foolishness, but this forum has some profile and it's worth holding back on rubbishing any, but in particular, young players too harshly or trying to judge anyone's worth or trajectory too early on here.

 

[nebakke]

Time to get #IzzoIn trending?

Or

something like #ImJustAFanStandingBehindAKeeperAskingHimToStay ?

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Our game was the highest rating of the round at 82,000 only 3000 behind the Melbourne derby the previous week!