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sydmariner

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Thinks about the match... heaps of luck with their first goal off two of our players but well taken.... cleared off the line by them...

What I saw tonight was our best game in a while and that scared me... little off the ball movement ... constantly losing the ball when going forward ... and our two D Mids what can you say except they wee totally played off the park...

It has been a long time since I have seen so little off the ball movement ... maybe its Flores who knows but we are standing like still or slow jogs.... why Duke is not up front and Caceres does not start ...

As I see it we have slipped to almost SFC level... and will be fighting to stay in the top six...
:redcard::mad:
 

gull

Well-Known Member
I thought we were pretty good tonight. Fox "experts" (I'm looking at you Speed you joke) didn't give us any credit in the WSW love fest.

Their first goal was well taken, but it was pure luck after two deflections that fell directly to the feet of their players. The second goal was offside.

Again we had chances but didn't take them. We've been riding our luck for most if the season and eventually it will tell against us like it did against Adelaide and again tonight.

No doubt now that this is a rebuilding season and we'll have to accept the odd defeat on the way to cohesion.
 

Wombat

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We were ordinary again but showed some merit...although mainly in the second half when they were in cruise mode.

Reddy was good again.
Back four were shite again.
Midfield was shite again.
At least we have changed our set up so me don't play with 10 men in our own half anymore.
First goal was a great finish but a very weak challenge by Storm. We are so soft in defence it's scary. We need to be first to the ball everytime and put our bodies on he line. Look at the brilliant goaline clearance by DB defender.....we would have just watched it go in, in the same situation.
I saw alot of Mariners players either failing to close down or simply turning their backs when a shot comes it......harden up boys it's not Women's Football!!
 

Wombat

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Reddy 7.5. Good again
Storm Boy. 5.5. Showed some nice quality but soft defensively. Looked dodgy.
Tesco 6. Below par.
Siep 6. Did some good things but too slow and static for my liking.
Rosie 7. Might be time to switch him to left wing as also looked dodgy as a FB but our most potent attacker.
Weemac 7. Nice to have his quality...one of our better players.
Hutcho 5.5. Disgraceful first half but actually looked decent in 2nd half when they released the pressure.
Monty 6. Better than last week but still needs to lift more.
Sterj 6.5. One of our only player who looked comfortable with the ball.
Flores 6. Better than last week....really should have scored.
Macca 5. Insipid and gun shy.

3pts reddy
2pts weemac
1pt Rosie
 

Stoxxo

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What has happened to the never say die attitude of years gone by? 2 nil down and we look tired and disinterested.

Seip and Tesco is not working, the amount of successful through balls that split them in nearly every game they play together is more than alarming. Both are slow to turn and Seip is caught out of position many times each game he has played and does not have the speed to recover. Hutch and to a lesser extent Monty have been inexcusably sloppy all season. Get our Defence sorted before we even start to worry about our attack!

We are being opened up so easily each week and i dont know what the answer is. Frustrating night.
 

Forum Phoenix

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They got ridiculously lucky and we also made them look good (and our own defence awful) by once again giving the ball away via horrible passing in transition and an inability to deal with pressure. Yet despite that we still played some good football and created great chances. But you have to take your chances or you can't complain. Actually... Strebre you muppet -- Popovic old Musky school of dirt meets I let everything go Debrovski - oh what fun for a small possession minded team...

Mc Breen looked disinterested and flat last game and should not have started today, as he unfortunately dished up more of the same.
A striker needs edge, passion and balls. McBreen had it last season. Now he is anticipating nothing, moving slowly, and pouting too much for my liking.
You need no further proof than that virtually every game last season he would be permanently riding the edge of a yellow... He barely even challenged for the ball today, let alone looked body and soul committed. Did he even foul anyone? Regardless of or attacking play, he looked highly unlikely to score. I love Danny, but the fact Duke was kept on the bench by him tonight was a travesty. He looked more dangerous in the box than the rest of our team put together. Very sorry he wasn't on the field when we were creating all of our chances.

Moss... I refuse to rag on our new coach. But tonight worried me. Starting Macca, then chasing a game 2 nil, we have seven defensive players on, and you take Flores off at 60... leaving MCbreen and two DM's on. Flores is a player who may at last find some space in the last 20 minutes of such games. He can also - even while having a shocker - change a game in a moment. Ineffective you say? If he had more attacking players creating meaningful movement in front of him he'd be killing it. Instead (who was it who asked why we keep playing it pointlessly to Flores under pressure?) because we have two non ball playing DM's that you can't trust to beat a man or hold the ball when under serious pressure behind him - we predictably play it longer to Flores, who now has two players running at his back and he's forced to play like a number 9 in the middle of the bloody park. (Happened to weemac several times too) Horrible to watch. And next people will start complaining about Flores being over rated etc...

Then at 75, still chasing 2 nil, it's again an attacking player for attacking player... and sadly in referring to Matty S, I now use the term "attacking player" loosely.
What on Earth did the Koreans do to him? He looks nothing like a striker anymore. In fact what he looks exactly like is a centre back. But at the wrong bloody end.

I don't think Arnie would ever have made the subs Mossy did today. He knew how to chase a game. He knew when players were under performing. He knew when players were down on luck but needed backing. Tonight made me fear Mossy just doesn't trust himself yet or is missing some elements that will make him a successful coach for us.
Lastly, maybe I'm misreading and full of shit on this one, but it looked to me like he was ok with our two nil loss, perhaps even happy it wasn't worse.

Trents worst game in yellow for a long time. Also whinging all the time?? WEIRD. He's usually so composed. It worries me.

We do have the tools. It clearly still shows in patches. But there are key things that need to change. And reportedly Mossy is focusing on our defensive shape - which will unfortunately always be shit if you keep giving the ball away while everyone is out of position... and you will keep giving it away if the passing and movement is poor... and so you can't hold onto the ball when under pressure... which is only going to get a shit load harder without Weemac... The best way to get into the Mariners back third, is kick it to our backs and chase... And of course then there's our other, arguably biggest problem... putting the ball in the net.

Let's hope he can turn some of it around.

Oh and... Fox WSW fapfest makes me want to:vomit:

And WSW support.... So big. So loud. And so entirely fixated on their own navels.
Honestly. Who do we sing for...? Response should be "we sing for ourselves"
 

localpom

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Dukey must start up front and play there for at least 3 consecutive games. He is the only forward we have at the moment that looks like scoring.Even before Macca came back i thought he would need at least a month off to recharge. He has gone from a full A league season with finals & ACL, to a season in China and come back without a break. He just has to be mentally and physically tired and a little break might just get his mojo back. Time also to get Caceres in and stick with him for a few games, we need players who can hold the ball.
 

eenfish

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I'm with localporn, plus where the hell is Griffiths? He has been good for us when given game time, impressed me more than Siep has.
 

midfielder

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They got ridiculously lucky and we also made them look good (and our own defence awful) by once again giving the ball away via horrible passing in transition and an inability to deal with pressure. Yet despite that we still played some good football and created great chances. But you have to take your chances or you can't complain. Actually... Strebre you muppet -- Popovic old Musky school of dirt meets I let everything go Debrovski - oh what fun for a small possession minded team...

Mc Breen looked disinterested and flat last game and should not have started today, as he unfortunately dished up more of the same.
A striker needs edge, passion and balls. McBreen had it last season. Now he is anticipating nothing, moving slowly, and pouting too much for my liking.
You need no further proof than that virtually every game last season he would be permanently riding the edge of a yellow... He barely even challenged for the ball today, let alone looked body and soul committed. Did he even foul anyone? Regardless of or attacking play, he looked highly unlikely to score. I love Danny, but the fact Duke was kept on the bench by him tonight was a travesty. He looked more dangerous in the box than the rest of our team put together. Very sorry he wasn't on the field when we were creating all of our chances.

Moss... I refuse to rag on our new coach. But tonight worried me. Starting Macca, then chasing a game 2 nil, we have seven defensive players on, and you take Flores off at 60... leaving MCbreen and two DM's on. Flores is a player who may at last find some space in the last 20 minutes of such games. He can also - even while having a shocker - change a game in a moment. Ineffective you say? If he had more attacking players creating meaningful movement in front of him he'd be killing it. Instead (who was it who asked why we keep playing it pointlessly to Flores under pressure?) because we have two non ball playing DM's that you can't trust to beat a man or hold the ball when under serious pressure behind him - we predictably play it longer to Flores, who now has two players running at his back and he's forced to play like a number 9 in the middle of the bloody park. (Happened to weemac several times too) Horrible to watch. And next people will start complaining about Flores being over rated etc...

Then at 75, still chasing 2 nil, it's again an attacking player for attacking player... and sadly in referring to Matty S, I now use the term "attacking player" loosely.
What on Earth did the Koreans do to him? He looks nothing like a striker anymore. In fact what he looks exactly like is a centre back. But at the wrong bloody end.

I don't think Arnie would ever have made the subs Mossy did today. He knew how to chase a game. He knew when players were under performing. He knew when players were down on luck but needed backing. Tonight made me fear Mossy just doesn't trust himself yet or is missing some elements that will make him a successful coach for us.
Lastly, maybe I'm misreading and full of shit on this one, but it looked to me like he was ok with our two nil loss, perhaps even happy it wasn't worse.

Trents worst game in yellow for a long time. Also whinging all the time?? WEIRD. He's usually so composed. It worries me.

We do have the tools. It clearly still shows in patches. But there are key things that need to change. And reportedly Mossy is focusing on our defensive shape - which will unfortunately always be shit if you keep giving the ball away while everyone is out of position... and you will keep giving it away if the passing and movement is poor... and so you can't hold onto the ball when under pressure... which is only going to get a shit load harder without Weemac... The best way to get into the Mariners back third, is kick it to our backs and chase... And of course then there's our other, arguably biggest problem... putting the ball in the net.

Let's hope he can turn some of it around.

Oh and... Fox WSW fapfest makes me want to:vomit:

And WSW support.... So big. So loud. And so entirely fixated on their own navels.
Honestly. Who do we sing for...? Response should be "we sing for ourselves"

Agree mostly

However I would add the backs are getting little protection from the mids... when Duke & Fitzy are playing wide they simply don't drop back or have that natural instinct to fall back at times...

Playing the same way for the rest of the season will result in a lot of pain...

Seip, Monty, Hutch, are all the same style of player and we don't need three of them on the park at the same time ...

I kinda thing we are approaching one of those water shed moments ... with Kasia, Monty, Hutch, Macka, Matty S, Mile [Seip still has a contract I think] all approaching their HHHHHMMmmmmm best not to insult as all [aside from Seip] have been very loyal ...

Caceres ... we have expected lots .... he is a ball player and IMO its time to test him rightly or wrongly we need to know if he can take the next step as we need to re build for the seasons 10 & 11...

Our youth side which in prior years was almost unbeatable has not won a game this year...

I am so proud of the players and the grit which they play with ... but it would appear the time has come...

We had little off the ball movement which was a feature of the last three seasons... As well as seeing if Caceres can make the step up we need to see if Mossy can as well .... history is against him in successful number two coaches taking over the reins mostly does not work... we all hope he is an outstanding success and like FP I am not about to bag him ... he has many testing days ahead...

Just maybe loosing Olly [Socceroo squad], Rogic [Socceroo squad], Matty Ryan [Current Socceroo goal keeper], Dutchie [arguably the Leagues best ever defender], Pedj [ strength and fire in the box] weeMac / Berinne [weeMac one of the best AM's in the league], .... while at the same time keeping Hutch, Monty, Macka .... just maybe this was / is a bridge to far for any coach...
 
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bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
. agree middy ... and because of the personnel at his disposal i anticipate mossy may receive some concessions - but who knows?

. and that is without considering he has theoretcially lost from his 'staff': mossy, clarkie and big pat. throw into the mix all the 'crap' with the mariners office and fans - and you can see that arnie never had it that hard and he was far more experienced in the head role

. tough gig
 

EastCoast

Member
If we played like we did in the middle of the 2nd half from the get go - it would have been a lot more competitive. The first half we started off the pace and got dominated and let them get their steam up.

I don't know why people are throwing the term 'luck' around in regards to their goals. We weren't upto scratch defensively, and they camped in our penalty box, and to be honest, La Rocca shouldn't have been able to receive that pass, think about a shot, put a lazy left foot on the ball in the first place. Yes, the deflection was unfortunate for us - but that's football. The rest of the night Juric toyed with our back line, and someone as dangerous as he is should be muscled up against for the whole 80mins.
Hersi's goal was well constructed and even better executed! Hersi was in an offside position when the ball was played out to Shinji. I'm sorry, but this one does not come down to luck. An arching ground pass from Shinji out from the wing that cut between our defender and keeper, and buried at the top of the net? That's class, not luck. We were lucky to only have 2 against us. But we picked up in the 2nd half.

This was my first game at Parramatta and - I hate to say this.. and I'm sure I will get flamed for this - it was the best atmosphere/spectacle/ show I've ever witnessed in the HAL. Reading through the WSW FB pages and forums, the "Christmas lights" was funnily enough not initiated by the RBB, but by a random guy in the South End online and it picked up wind. And wow! Well done, WSW. I was in the a corporate box with some family friends - unfortunately was told to wear neutral colour otherwise I wasn't allowed in the car lol.
 

Gratis

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they were two great goals that are as often missed as taken, no complaints other than to say that our defence of the last 4 years wouldn't have conceded either - but this current defence does.

we were pleasingly improved in attack and created some decent chances that were saved only by great defending or keeping.

that said we were still well under par and in such a way that has been consistent with the season to date. it was a deserved loss and unless we improve the champions may not even make the finals
 

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