R7 - Glory v Mariners: The Dawn of a New Era

[priorpeter]

Siep? cover at best and maybe not our smartest signing on the evidence so far

Arnie did make some... questionable... signings over his time. Siep appears to be another. Looked decent in patches against Heart, but not seen anything to suggest that he's worthy of a spot. Is behind Sains, Ando and Griff for a start.

 

[Big Al]

The picture says it all - team MATES.
But then, Matty Simon, without being rude to anyone, is a better man than most of us!

Best part of Reddy is he does appear to be part of the team & enjoying it & being enjoyed by the boys.
Best sign of this was when he ran the length of the field to jump on the pile that was forming after Duke's goal.
Actually was a great team sign. A good old fashioned all in stacks on.
Might just be the sort of win needed to get the team moving forward.

 

[Big Al]

On Duke's goal ... to hit a volley seems simple .. yet IMO to hit a volley with control and on Target needs a lot of skill... special mention to Duke for this and his chip over a defender when he had another shot...

The best bit was he didn't try & hit it to hard guided it more than thumped it. Great technique at the end of the game. Great goal.

 

[Arnie]

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Agree, Monty as the MF stopper, not 2 of them. Makes our transition too slow. Roar were able to get their shape back if the ever lost the ball as we were too slow.



Fitzy has been less than impressive sadly.

I have been so impressed with him. His work rate is so high and he is a much better wide player than Duke. With time this kid could be anything, you don't get the youth player of the year unless you have something special.

 

[Big Al]

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I have been so impressed with him. His work rate is so high and he is a much better wide player than Duke. With time this kid could be anything, you don't get the youth player of the year unless you have something special.

I thought Fitzy started well & was going great guns until the Roar game but I'll give him a bad game why not. I think he will shine in the 2nd half of the year when either an attacker breaks down or gets sold.

But I agree I think he is better wide than Duke but I'd prefer Duke in my team (makes no sense I know). Either Duke, Simon or Mcbreen or two of them need to be left out to include Fitzy which I don't see happing. He will be a successful sub at some point with tired defenses though, Maybe could be the Duke super sub this year.

 

[pjennings]

Tiredness kicked in (Caceres in particular isn't up to playing that many minutes yet)

I'm not sure it was tiredness for Caceres on Saturday. He gave away a foul and hurt himself. Seemed to be slow from then on.

 

[true believer]

BG - you're right, Simon did play up top.

TB - he picks players pockets because he runs hard and comes over their shoulders. Hutch is better at it and gives away fewer fouls when he does it.

There's no way on this green earth that he's a better passer of the ball than either Sainsbury or Hutch. Talk up his workrate, talk up his tackling, talk up his physical presence but his passing (while very much improved) is not one of his great attributes.

yes monty knows his craft .lots of players run hard (zads , burns) neither have montys skills .
hutch better at it than monty ? ,,,no ..hutch a better passer ? no. turning in circles is not ball playing

You'd want him for one particular job and your post nails it - he's a midfield stopper and he's bloody good at it. You play him if we're setting up with a definite "two #6s screening and defend like your world depends on it" kind of match.

You play Caceres if you want to play with a #8 linking the DM (#6 - Hutch) with the AM (#10 - Flores).

formations are mossy call . I agree monty and hutch isn't working . I see hutch as a cover centre half and bench.

Having a stopper has suited us so far because we're barely into the season and we're massively underdone. If we're going to be fighting for results every week, I want Monty. If we're going to be taking games away from clubs and challenging for honours, I want Caceres, just like I was very happy we played Bozanic in the Grand Final, even if it was a forced decision.

Don't get me wrong, I love Monty for the job he does, I'm just not going to imagine that he's something else.

and there's the rub I prefer monty over hutch .fortunely mossy will run his own show

 

[eenfish]

Really impressed with Storm (great going forward and at the back), Brent Griffiths, Marcos Flores (same old outstanding stuff from him, absolutely top draw), Wee-Mac (again, same as what we always except: out standing) and Matty Simon who was every where and in everyone's face.

Bit disappointed with Hutcho's effort TBH. We seemed to have a bit of trouble holding onto possession for a while there.

Also, holy heck, Gallas was everywhere as well. Shame for Perth (good for us) that he got injured, I could see him tearing apart some of the weaker sides.

 

[Roy Law]

I missed the game but listened intently on a crackling radio.
It didn`t sound that good from the commentary but I feel uplifted after reading Roy`s match report.(Thanks Mate)

My pleasure - I am midway through watching the game again and we played some really good football at times; Perth were much more long ball and we were more about short passing and possession. Flores was amazing; I think that I and perhaps others, expect him to be good so I don't always give him his due. I have yet to see a mistake from Griffiths and am curious as to why we gave Seip a 3 yr contract.

 

[neverwozza]

I'm not sure it was tiredness for Caceres on Saturday. He gave away a foul and hurt himself. Seemed to be slow from then on.

He started stretching the calves about 5min before that challenge - I was suprised he got a leg in because he let at least three players stroll straight past him in a 5-10 min period towards the end. He was really struggling the last 15 and i thought mossy erred in leaving him on the pitch. In saying that I would love to see him start more games because he gives us a lot more going forward than hutch.

 

[priorpeter]

I'm not sure it was tiredness for Caceres on Saturday. He gave away a foul and hurt himself. Seemed to be slow from then on.

Was cramping up

 

[Wombat]

we got into the GF because monty shut down milligan . we had olly to cover for him
in the GF much to our good fortune .
monty has probably been our best player all season
he is light years ahead of any other player we have as DM.
I think your not fully accepting what the impact of loosing patty and matty's ball playing
has done to us .
clearly we are not last years team .we need to evolve a new style . I think mossy may have
been the piece of luck we needed .with arnie having old loyalties that he would have, understandably blinded him to what needs to be done.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[Wombat]

Why is Monty "light years ahead of any other player we have as DM" and our best player all year?

What "needs to be done" and why?

Hutcho is the main problem and needs to be on the bench. You will see immediate improvement, just as we saw improvement without Ando and Fitzy (in their current form).

 

[Wombat]

From our play so far this year, I reckon the side we had for 71m of the game on Saturday is actually our best.

Tiredness kicked in (Caceres in particular isn't up to playing that many minutes yet) and we very nearly lost it, but if we can get this XI on the field together as often as possible we'll do well:

Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Caceres Hutchinson
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​

In the opening phase of our attack it shifts around - CBs split, Hutch sets tempo, fullbacks get up the park:

Reddy
Sainsbury Hutchinson Griffiths
Roux Caceres Rose
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​

...before re-settling into the basic shape once we're around halfway.

On turning the ball over, after the initial press, it consolidates to a very simple 4-4-2 - two simple lines of 4 and a wiiiide pairing up front:

Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Simon Caceres Hutchinson McGlinchey
Flores Duke
​

Working on things that we might want to change or have changed and it's working:

• I'm not 100% sold on Simon and I think Sterjovski is nipping at his heels
• I think Griffiths looks very sharp, and has earned another go
• I'd like to see Flores build fitness to play 90 minutes
• I'd like to see Caceres look like he's got more than an hour in him
• Reddy's earned his spot, though his butterfingers nearly cost us. A few good saves and claims though.

I don't see the value in changing shape back to the diamond of two season ago - I simply don't think we've got two out and out strikers we want to have sitting up there, I think we get more value from playing with 'wingers'.

The only way it would work really well for us would be if we played a MV style false 9, but then it's really a 4-3-3. We've seen from his Melbourne experience that it simply doesn't suit Flores, though it could potentially work well with McBreen there as the link and Duke and Simon wide. It would really mean that you have to play the three midfielders as a quite deep block and get the additional attacking run from the fullbacks.

It's something we might play if personnel losses required it but I don't think it suits us - you'd have something like this:

Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Montgomery Hutchinson Caceres
McBreen
Simon Duke​

Reasonably well thought out apart from your blind use of Hutcho.

Your first team line up is very good but with Monty instead of Hutcho but i still prefer 442 with Simon and Duke upfront.
Hutcho as a CB is absurd.

 

[Wombat]

BG - you're right, Simon did play up top.

TB - he picks players pockets because he runs hard and comes over their shoulders. Hutch is better at it and gives away fewer fouls when he does it.

There's no way on this green earth that he's a better passer of the ball than either Sainsbury or Hutch. Talk up his workrate, talk up his tackling, talk up his physical presence but his passing (while very much improved) is not one of his great attributes.

You'd want him for one particular job and your post nails it - he's a midfield stopper and he's bloody good at it. You play him if we're setting up with a definite "two #6s screening and defend like your world depends on it" kind of match.

You play Caceres if you want to play with a #8 linking the DM (#6 - Hutch) with the AM (#10 - Flores).

Having a stopper has suited us so far because we're barely into the season and we're massively underdone. If we're going to be fighting for results every week, I want Monty. If we're going to be taking games away from clubs and challenging for honours, I want Caceres, just like I was very happy we played Bozanic in the Grand Final, even if it was a forced decision.

Don't get me wrong, I love Monty for the job he does, I'm just not going to imagine that he's something else.

Monty and Hutcho are basically the same player. For my money Monty is the better player in most facets of his game.
Replace Hutch with Caceres and we can start to move forward this year.

 

[sydmariner]

Hutcho is the main problem and needs to be on the bench. You will see immediate improvement, just as we saw improvement without Ando and Fitzy (in their current form).

If he's on the bench then who takes over as captain then

 

[eenfish]

If he's on the bench then who takes over as captain then

Wee-Mac is the vice, right? He would do it.

 

[dibo]

Reasonably well thought out apart from your blind use of Hutcho.

I like how I'm being panned for "blind use of Hutcho" when I can't see any reason for you choosing Monty other than he's not Hutch. Same problem TB had earlier, no argument provided in support of your conclusion.

Hutcho as a CB is absurd.

So you obviously didn't actually read where I said:

In the opening phase of our attack it shifts around - CBs split, Hutch sets tempo, fullbacks get up the park

He doesn't play CB. The CBs split, Hutch comes to the ball and distributes. You would see this if you actually watched what Hutch does in the games rather than shouting at passing clouds.

 

[true believer]

I can't see any reason for you choosing Monty other than he's not Hutch. Same problem TB had earlier, no argument provided in support of your conclusion.

you didn't like the answer. so you go for the semantics defence.
we get it you like hutcho ,so do we .
we also believe monty is the best DM at the club

I said I think hutcho could be used as CB .I disagree with wombat over this
im also always thankfull for the quality of our coachs

 

[Wombat]

I like how I'm being panned for "blind use of Hutcho" when I can't see any reason for you choosing Monty other than he's not Hutch. Same problem TB had earlier, no argument provided in support of your conclusion.

Monty can tackle, he can run with the ball, he can distribute far better, his reaction time is much faster, his transition from defence to attack is way quicker, he can pass the ball forwards....however like Hutcho he could not play CB regardless what you and TB think.
I would tip that you are the only person here that rates Hutcho as a better option that Monty. Your blind loyalty is commendable.



So you obviously didn't actually read where I said:

I fell asleep.



He doesn't play CB. The CBs split, Hutch comes to the ball and distributes. You would see this if you actually watched what Hutch does in the games rather than shouting at passing clouds.

You obviously live among the clouds i shout at. I watch Hutcho and he hides in front of the back four, occasionally showing himself to relieve pressure from shaky defenders (unneeded after Mossy's tune up) where he does one of 4 things...1. Passes the ball backwards. 2. Holds the ball, until he feels the breath of an attacker and falls to the ground hoping to get a free kick often after a pirouette. 3. Losses the ball. 4. Passes the ball over the sideline.