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R7 - Glory v Mariners: The Dawn of a New Era

Roy Law

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Duke takes the Glory
I enjoyed this; from Phil Moss’s surprise inclusion of Brent Griffiths to Mitchell Duke’s last gasp winner this match was a roller coaster of entertainment. It wasn’t pretty, the Mariners in Perth never are, but it was three precious points.
Storm Roux and Michael McGlinchey were back but it was the inclusion of Griffiths that raised the eyebrows, Marcel Seip was on the bench and Zac Anderson not included at all. Mat Simon started with Daniel McBreen on the bench. Roux was given a torrid afternoon by Perth’s lively Sidnei but the relaxed confident Griffiths took the opportunity with both hands and stood up well.
The pace of the game varied from sheer speed, mainly Perth, to sleepwalking, often the Mariners. It was end to end stuff. Like having sex on a water bed it went back and forth; each team having times when they were on top. We had sublime skills, outright thuggery, and thrilling saves and classy goals. As if the disruptions of the previous week hadn’t been enough we saw the sight of Montgomery hobbling off, it looked like a corked thigh, to be replaced by young Anthony Caceres, after just seven minutes.
Perth’s low life thug, Jacob Burns, the sweet family man celebrating his 100th game for the Glory, took exception to a strong challenge by Simon and went in boots flying, studs thigh high but to his credit Mat Simon took it all in his stride. There was no writhing on the ground, no holding of the head when kicked on the leg, no paramedics were required. The two players grinned, and got on with it. It was a refreshing return to the old days when all was good in the world of football; when defenders ‘introduced’ themselves to attackers, when footballers were real men, and ballerinas and circus tumblers hadn’t got the bottle to play. The referee saw it that way too because in today’s football Burns’ should have received a straight red.
Burns could well be in more trouble when he deliberately stood on Hutchinson’s leg; Hutch lashed out and got booked for his troubles but FFA may want to have a look at Burns’ involvement.
The Perth marquee, the Frenchman William Gallas, was the first to light it up with a superb leaping over- the-shoulder volley which fortunately went over the bar. Perth at that time were getting on top, they were much quicker than the deliberate Mariners but Gallas only lasted just over the half hour limping off with a calf injury – the soft tissue injury that so many veteran are prone to.
The Mariners were working their way into the game, playing calm football with Flores at the heart of it. They almost seized the lead but a heavily built moustachioed figure, looking very like Danny Vukovic, produced a double save to deny first McGlinchey and then the onrushing Simon. It was a trademark Vukovic moment. But it was Perth who took the lead.
The ball over the top of a square back four remains one of the game’s potent weapons and Sainsbury was left flat footed and flailing as Jameson’s ball found McLaren who calmly knocked the ball over the exposed Reddy. It was so annoying; you expect more of Sainsbury than to be beaten by a sucker punch.
Ten minutes later though the Mariners were level and Flores was the inspiration. Under heavy pressure he somehow held on to the ball and it was worked to Simon who laid it off for Duke; it didn’t quite make it but fell invitingly to McGlinchey who made no mistake.
McGlinchey was almost in again moments later but his chip over Vukovic was deflected wide by a defender. McGlinchey was now dominating the game, showing us, at last, what we can expect this season. He and Flores were a level above anything Perth had to offer in technique. Although Hutchinson had been booked in the altercation with Burns it was a foul to the Mariners and McGlinchey’s free kick had Vukovic beaten all ends up but came back off the post. Lucky Perth!
Reddy was next to step up with an amazing flying save, seeming to hang in the air, from a wicked shot from one of the Edwards brothers (which one I can’t remember). Rose then cleared at the far post from Jameson’s cross and then Duke skipped away down the right and hit a superb volley just over. He was just warming up.
Both teams had chances to score, both chased the winner, and I would have settled for a draw. Duke though, in time added on, sublimely hit home the winner and has had me smiling all weekend!
Moss made his mark as the new coach, he made the brave change of bringing in Griffiths and it worked. Griffiths did really well; for some time now he has been the forgotten defender, only making occasional appearances, brief cameos but always seemed cheerful and upbeat. He took the chance; he was good on the ball, strong in the challenge and twice got Reddy out of trouble in goal mouth scrambles. Caceres grew into the responsibility of replacing Monty, constantly encouraged by Flores he began to show his own silky skills in midfield. Duke ran all day and was always trying something different, with imaginative skills complementing his physical effort.
But when it comes to physical effort no one can quite match Mat Simon. He was everywhere: he chased and tackled; he took the knocks and gave them back; he held the ball up and brought others into the play. He clearly enjoyed the opportunity to start and he is my MoM.
 

Roy Law

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It seems he's well and truly got the players and coaching staff support. This seems a happy enough moment:
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He's now cemented the spot on form, seems to be playing with pride in the shirt and no sign of anything like had occurred in the past at other clubs.
Yep, thanks Arnie. I do feel for JP but time for Mariners fans to stop hating on a Mariner.
The picture says it all - team MATES.
But then, Matty Simon, without being rude to anyone, is a better man than most of us!
 

VicMariner

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Seriously, get over Liam Reddy. Some points and a couple ladder positions are thanks to him. Where's the Aussie "fair go"?
It's a fresh start for him and while he's in Yellow I'll cut him some slack.

Good to see the defense working better. Without a solid defense a team is going to struggle.
Keep 'em out and wear 'em down.
 

bikinigirl

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. can people please stop telling other fans to 'get over reddy'?

. we have built up our passion for the mariners over the years (almost a decade!) and part of that passion is the way you feel against the opposition ... and particularly the bully-type thugs of the opposition. reddy has been that bully-thug, for more than one of our biggest rivals - i mean, c'mon ... he has played for four other teams in the league. when a big part of your passion for the mariners is built around dis-liking these guys it is not easy (or even possible) to change. so please give it a break

. i'll admit he has not presented a reason to be dropped and appears more authoritative than pasfield (but that is to be expected). but i will counter the constant praise. he has also spilled the ball a couple of times and it is only luck that has kept the opposition from scoring ... in similar situations pasfield was not so lucky

. oh and i will add that i was impressed when one of the perth boys lashed out at him early in the game and there was no reaction ... but that still doesn't mean i have to like him
 

Lowlander

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I missed this game unfortunately, was very keen to see how the team played on their first hit out under Moss. It sounds as though a starting spot for Seip is one he will really need to fight for under PM's watch.
Really happy with the 3 points.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Roy & Wombat thanks for your reports....

I agree with most posters on Griffiths ... Marcel Seip will struggle to get on the park as a back I seem to remember somewhere he can play a DM role as well ... a sorta of Monty role...

A Sainsbury, Caceres, Flores ... spine could be the go .... with Monty, Hutch & Seip fighting for the other DM spot ...

On Duke's goal ... to hit a volley seems simple .. yet IMO to hit a volley with control and on Target needs a lot of skill... special mention to Duke for this and his chip over a defender when he had another shot...

The A-League has a lot of young gun strikers and one will be on the plan to Brazil .... my ranking at this stage .. but its very close and as I said one of these kids will be on the plane...

Taggart
Juric
Duke
Garcia
Yeboah
 

style_cafe

Well-Known Member
I missed the game but listened intently on a crackling radio.
It didn`t sound that good from the commentary but I feel uplifted after reading Roy`s match report.(Thanks Mate)
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
From our play so far this year, I reckon the side we had for 71m of the game on Saturday is actually our best.

Tiredness kicked in (Caceres in particular isn't up to playing that many minutes yet) and we very nearly lost it, but if we can get this XI on the field together as often as possible we'll do well:

Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Caceres Hutchinson
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​

In the opening phase of our attack it shifts around - CBs split, Hutch sets tempo, fullbacks get up the park:

Reddy
Sainsbury Hutchinson Griffiths
Roux Caceres Rose
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​

...before re-settling into the basic shape once we're around halfway.

On turning the ball over, after the initial press, it consolidates to a very simple 4-4-2 - two simple lines of 4 and a wiiiide pairing up front:

Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Simon Caceres Hutchinson McGlinchey
Flores Duke
Working on things that we might want to change or have changed and it's working:
  • I'm not 100% sold on Simon and I think Sterjovski is nipping at his heels
  • I think Griffiths looks very sharp, and has earned another go
  • I'd like to see Flores build fitness to play 90 minutes
  • I'd like to see Caceres look like he's got more than an hour in him
  • Reddy's earned his spot, though his butterfingers nearly cost us. A few good saves and claims though.
I don't see the value in changing shape back to the diamond of two season ago - I simply don't think we've got two out and out strikers we want to have sitting up there, I think we get more value from playing with 'wingers'.

The only way it would work really well for us would be if we played a MV style false 9, but then it's really a 4-3-3. We've seen from his Melbourne experience that it simply doesn't suit Flores, though it could potentially work well with McBreen there as the link and Duke and Simon wide. It would really mean that you have to play the three midfielders as a quite deep block and get the additional attacking run from the fullbacks.

It's something we might play if personnel losses required it but I don't think it suits us - you'd have something like this:
Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Montgomery Hutchinson Caceres
McBreen
Simon Duke​
 

true believer

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While Gallas went off last night, Caceres for Monty sparked a change in us. I quite like Caceres in that deep role, he's plenty tough and he's a far better ball player than Monty. He's also different to Hutch, so he's more of a foil than a duplication. Hutch's role is set and it's still plenty effective, I think Caceres gives us more than Monty does.

This isn't the first time that a forced change for Monty has yielded arguably better results - see also 2013 A-League Grand Final. ;)

we got into the GF because monty shut down milligan . we had olly to cover for him
in the GF much to our good fortune .
monty has probably been our best player all season
he is light years ahead of any other player we have as DM.
I think your not fully accepting what the impact of loosing patty and matty's ball playing
has done to us .
clearly we are not last years team .we need to evolve a new style . I think mossy may have
been the piece of luck we needed .with arnie having old loyalties that he would have, understandably blinded him to what needs to be done.
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
Why is Monty "light years ahead of any other player we have as DM" and our best player all year?

What "needs to be done" and why?
 

true believer

Well-Known Member
Why is Monty "light years ahead of any other player we have as DM" and our best player all year?

What "needs to be done" and why?
our own polling on this site would have him at 1 or 2 .
I think we should use a 442 ,as we need to change . im also greatfull
mossy is coach and neither you, me or any other of us is.
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
I care less about what you're thinking than why you're thinking it - I might learn something if only you went to the trouble of laying out an argument in support of your views.

Hell, you might even convince me.
 

Gratis

Well-Known Member
From our play so far this year, I reckon the side we had for 71m of the game on Saturday is actually our best.

Tiredness kicked in (Caceres in particular isn't up to playing that many minutes yet) and we very nearly lost it, but if we can get this XI on the field together as often as possible we'll do well:

Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Caceres Hutchinson
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​

In the opening phase of our attack it shifts around - CBs split, Hutch sets tempo, fullbacks get up the park:

Reddy
Sainsbury Hutchinson Griffiths
Roux Caceres Rose
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​

...before re-settling into the basic shape once we're around halfway.

On turning the ball over, after the initial press, it consolidates to a very simple 4-4-2 - two simple lines of 4 and a wiiiide pairing up front:

Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Simon Caceres Hutchinson McGlinchey
Flores Duke
Working on things that we might want to change or have changed and it's working:
  • I'm not 100% sold on Simon and I think Sterjovski is nipping at his heels
  • I think Griffiths looks very sharp, and has earned another go
  • I'd like to see Flores build fitness to play 90 minutes
  • I'd like to see Caceres look like he's got more than an hour in him
  • Reddy's earned his spot, though his butterfingers nearly cost us. A few good saves and claims though.
I don't see the value in changing shape back to the diamond of two season ago - I simply don't think we've got two out and out strikers we want to have sitting up there, I think we get more value from playing with 'wingers'.

The only way it would work really well for us would be if we played a MV style false 9, but then it's really a 4-3-3. We've seen from his Melbourne experience that it simply doesn't suit Flores, though it could potentially work well with McBreen there as the link and Duke and Simon wide. It would really mean that you have to play the three midfielders as a quite deep block and get the additional attacking run from the fullbacks.

It's something we might play if personnel losses required it but I don't think it suits us - you'd have something like this:
Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Montgomery Hutchinson Caceres
McBreen
Simon Duke​
i reckon you nailed it there Dibo.
Monty is gold though so rotating the 3 of them depending on the opponent and the flow of the game
 

bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Caceres Hutchinson
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​
.... snipped for brevity

. i had been pretty sure duke was played as the midfielder and simon up front

. although i think duke is a better midfilder than simon ... i still feel his best position is striker. so if simon is the chosen wide man, you are probably right in that sterj could be a better option

. i also wonder whether playing duke wide (midfield) may influence his chances of heading to brazil
 

true believer

Well-Known Member
what would you like me to say specifiacally about monty ?
he reads a game about as well as micky thats why he's always able to pick a players pockets.
he has a better pass than hutch, sainbury , storm or even rosey.
I already told you of his effort on arguably the best mid fielder in the comp in milligan.
we probably should have been routed 3 times this year . go back and watch the
scumcastle game and give thanks to monty for not having a mouth full of turd
 
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dibo

Well-Known Member
BG - you're right, Simon did play up top.

TB - he picks players pockets because he runs hard and comes over their shoulders. Hutch is better at it and gives away fewer fouls when he does it.

There's no way on this green earth that he's a better passer of the ball than either Sainsbury or Hutch. Talk up his workrate, talk up his tackling, talk up his physical presence but his passing (while very much improved) is not one of his great attributes.

You'd want him for one particular job and your post nails it - he's a midfield stopper and he's bloody good at it. You play him if we're setting up with a definite "two #6s screening and defend like your world depends on it" kind of match.

You play Caceres if you want to play with a #8 linking the DM (#6 - Hutch) with the AM (#10 - Flores).

Having a stopper has suited us so far because we're barely into the season and we're massively underdone. If we're going to be fighting for results every week, I want Monty. If we're going to be taking games away from clubs and challenging for honours, I want Caceres, just like I was very happy we played Bozanic in the Grand Final, even if it was a forced decision.

Don't get me wrong, I love Monty for the job he does, I'm just not going to imagine that he's something else.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
From our play so far this year, I reckon the side we had for 71m of the game on Saturday is actually our best.

Tiredness kicked in (Caceres in particular isn't up to playing that many minutes yet) and we very nearly lost it, but if we can get this XI on the field together as often as possible we'll do well:

Reddy
Roux Sainsbury Griffiths Rose
Caceres Hutchinson
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​

In the opening phase of our attack it shifts around - CBs split, Hutch sets tempo, fullbacks get up the park:

Reddy
Sainsbury Hutchinson Griffiths
Roux Caceres Rose
Simon Flores McGlinchey
Duke​

..

That is my side as well .... as I mentioned earlier a Sainsbury, Caceres, Flores spine would be very creative ...
 

sydmariner

Well-Known Member
Can we just call it even & say that everyone in our squad (inc NYL players) are more than perfect @ what they do:D
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Agree, Monty as the MF stopper, not 2 of them. Makes our transition too slow. Roar were able to get their shape back if the ever lost the ball as we were too slow.

Ryan and Patrick distributed the ball quickly and accurately. Neither Monty or Hutch are going to do that.

Caceres as the link man works. Thought the kid did well. Will need 5 or 6 games to really settle into the side

Dukey wide isnt really working yet. Fitzy has been less than impressive sadly.

Siep? cover at best and maybe not our smartest signing on the evidence so far
 

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