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R20 Mariners V Nix

eenfish

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Its like we completely fall apart after we concede.

Look, I'm not gonna shout "MOSS OUT" but… if he can't turn things around I really don't think he should be kept on after the end of the season. I really feel like tactics and cohesion and the style we play is the route of our problems. The theory seems to be there at times but the execution isn't happening, and considering some of the talent we have that really shouldn't be the case.
 

VicMariner

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Andy Harper on the foxsports coverage described our second half as "total and utter garbage".
Can't really disagree.

Its like we completely fall apart after we concede.

Look, I'm not gonna shout "MOSS OUT" but… if he can't turn things around I really don't think he should be kept on after the end of the season. I really feel like tactics and cohesion and the style we play is the route of our problems. The theory seems to be there at times but the execution isn't happening, and considering some of the talent we have that really shouldn't be the case.

Now we have Moss we have to give him time. We have lost so much quality, both players and staff, Mossy has a mountain to climb. The choice has been made and he should be given every opportunity to be successful.
If he's going to be replaced it's better to do it before next season and not half way through.

You have to wonder though, the HAL is the pinnacle of our local game. New coaches should have a record of success in the NPL before a HAL gig. It's fine for guys to get experience as an A-League assistant coach but they should then go and prove themselves in the NPL. In general I don't agree with assistant coaches getting HAL head coach spots. Aloisi and Muscat should have spent time in a lower league.
Moss however, has been a head coach in a lower league and had some success. Let's give him some time.
 
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Gratis

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that's the good thing about this club and it's supporters - I think everyone understands what Mossy is up against and is prepared to give him time.
clearly there will eventually be a limit but if we'd played 2nd half the way we did the first we'd all be pleased at the progress being made
frustrating for all involved
 

Bladesman

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I am not going to blame Mossy for tonight's disgrace. The players need to take a long hard look at themselves with that second half performance. School boy errors for the first 3 goals but the absolute lack of passion and commitment was the disappointing thing. Giving men 5 yards of space on the edge of the box is unacceptable and not something mossy can do much about, 2nd week in a row a piss poor tackle by Zac has lead to a goal although the way we turned things over was poor. Hutch and Monty need to sit the playing group down and read them the riot act.
 

tsd

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The scary thing is, I can't put the problems down to any single issue....
I can put it down to 2...

Match fitness and team cohesion

3 players played their first mariners game ever. Kim has come out of season and has only played 20 min for mariners. Bosnar has come out of season and has played 2 games prior. Ibini came out of season and has played 4? games
 

AuzDutchy

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If Moss keeps serving up those same tactics, ill seriously rethink my membership next year.

I drive 1.5 hours to come and watch 70 minutes of hoofball/longball tactic!!!

this squad needs confidence and fast, kinda starting to seem like Melbourne Heart/Aloisi, questions keep popping up about whether Mossy is up to this level just yet
 

MrCelery

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The only positive to come out of tonight was the performance of Sim as left defender, or rather left winger, as he played really high up. What a debut! It's time Rose had some serious competition. I hope Mossy rewards Sim for not only his skills, but his attitude. He was about the only one still energetic at the end.

Bosnar is proving to be a major disappointment. He's no Patrick that's for sure. His honeymoon is over. Time to shape up.

Anderson makes me nervous. He almost always looks surprised when he gets the ball passed back to him. It's as if once he's passed the ball to someone else he switches off and looks startled and flat footed when the ball is passed back.

You may as well sub Ibini after any goal he scores. Most strikers usually lift when they score, and go hungry for a second. Ibini seems to think that scoring a goal is 'job done - down tools'. With such natural talent he should be monstering defences by going at them. When he's in full flight he's good. But it's all too rare.

While I can't blame Reddy for the goals, he needs to take command of his defence in the absence of Bosnar and Anderson doing it. The poor defending directly in front of goals is becoming frighteningly all too familiar.

Fortress Bluetongue? Pffft!

That's it. Spray over. I feel a little better now.
 

dibo

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Left work at 5:30. Arrived in the ground about 15 in. Just got home.

Long night, shit result, but you have shit nights sometimes. Nights like this are how we emotionally pay the rent for the nights we beat the scum or we win trophies.

Football wise... Too many players don't know their jobs. Notable exception: Matt Sim. He knows his f**king job and did it f**king well. Great game, want to see more.
 

Wombat

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Looking forward to this one. Games against the Nux are always eventful as only the core support turn up.

Two of the girls at work...EAST GOSFORD THAI MASSAGE .(STADUIM) are having a major barnie I'm thinking i will invite them both and let them punch on at halftime behind bay 16. It will shit on the usual half time entertainment!

Both the girls came to the game but suddenly are best mates again and sat together.....so that was boring.

It was funny to hear a Thai lady slagging off how shit we are defensively and telling me off like it was my fault!
 

Wombat

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I thought we did ok in the first half although our tempo was still average. Bernies goal was quality.

Hutcho was decent and attack minded for a change. The bloke in front of me said...."that's great I can tell my son I was at the game when Hutcho passed the ball forwards"....lol.

Ando are Bosnar are simply both shite. Both big men and both soft as butter.

Soft as kittens is the best way describe us.....safe to say we have the worst back four in the comp.
 

iEatHands

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Whats the point of having Kim on the field if we're just going to kick the ball over him? We played through the middle and up the wings in the first half of the first half with a few dangerous long balls when we saw opportunity but if you watch the game back again you'll see that the entire second half was just long balls played to players with their backs to the goal crossing their fingers for magic to happen..

Sim had a awesome debut! Looked hungry for the ball! Loved seeing him get up and has a better cross then Rose has had this season.

Duke and Ibini looked great early on and became invisable later on in the game. Bosnar is a flop, I remember reading that Moss just called and made the offer to Bosnar and he agreed and the paperwork was done that day and it was all stitched up. I don't believe there was much due diligence other than him knowing the bloke. Kim looked dangerous in the first half when he was given the ball, he was getting knocked about all night though.

Mossy looks unimpressed just slumped in his seat, I want to see some passion from him giving the player orders and getting them back into line. The substitutions came far too late, give the other blokes a chance to get some game time and perhaps impress rather than subbng them on with 5 minutes to go. The players look so tired on the field, our fitness is terrible at this stage of the competition and the ACL is going to cause more issues.

I feel the product has been watered down, people were walking out in droves. This is not the quality those people were sold when they signed up. It's like walking into the showroom and looking at a high performance sports car and then putting your order in and being delivered a Hyundai Getz..

I feel there are a few more thumpings for the mariners left in the season..
 

Roy Law

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Mariners Blown Away
As Mile Sterjovski stood waiting to take the penalty in the 51st minute no one could have imagined that a quarter of an hour later the Phoenix would be leading 3-1. The Mariners had been going all right up to that point, had played some good football, and although Cunningham had grabbed an equaliser for Wellington the Mariners seemed set to go on and win it. But Sterjovski’s penalty was saved as Glen Moss guessed the right way and two goals just after the hour had Phoenix in the driver’s seat.
With a club record four players missing because of suspension the Mariners brought back captain John Hutchinson, introduced Kim Seung-yong for his home debut, gave Matt Sim a massive promotion from the NSW PL to the A League and had Glen Trifiro and Tom Slater on the bench for the first time. Anthony Caceres also dropped to the bench.
Early exchanges were even: Chesty Bond cleared off the line from Huysegems; Cunningham missed a great chance from a header, and Duke should have scored after latching on to Liam Reddy’s long ball. Bernie brought order to the proceeding when he took a smooth pass from Kim, stepped inside, and calmly placed the ball beyond Moss’s despairing dive.
Moments later Duke was almost in after good work by Roux on the right. The Mariners were playing good football, moving the ball quickly, closing down the Phoenix in midfield and were first to every second ball. Kim was impressing with easy skills and confident passing - with a Musti Amini smile to boot! Sim was settling in well, providing width on the left, and Hutcho was pushing forward in a manner not seen since Lawrie McKinna was a boy. Apart from an Eddie Bosnar free kick that had all the pace of a Johnny Howard off-break what wasn’t there to like? It seemed just a matter of time before the Mariners would claim all three points.
Unfortunately Wellington had not read the script: they equalised immediately after the resumption of play. Central Coast born and bred Reece Caira attacked down the left and a deflection took his cross to the quick feet of Cunningham who drilled the chance past Reddy.
The Mariners, shaken but unbowed, took the game straight back down the other end; Anderson headed over from a corner; and then came Sterjovski’s penalty. It was a most fortuitous award but you expected Sterjovski, one of the best penalty takers in the game, to regain the lead. His shot was well placed but had no venom and Moss scrambled the ball way.
Perversely, the miss seemed to lift the Mariners; Wellington was penned back under the weight of cleverly crafted attacks. This was quality football; none more so than Hutchinson’s outstanding first time pass down the line to the willing Sim. It wasn’t to last; the Mariners began to tire; Wellington responded with positive football of their own.
Hernandez stunned the crowd with a devastating shot to the top corner from 25 metres; it is his trademark and there was nothing the Mariners could do to stop it. Minutes later the visibly rattled defence conceded one of the worst goals in years. A team that prides itself on defence was found to be built of straw as Wellington blew and blew, and blew the house down. Or, rather, Cunningham aggressively chased a bouncing ball and the defenders lined up like a line of dominoes and obligingly fell over in front of him. Huysegems tidied up the mess and put the Phoenix almost out of sight.
Caceres came on for Kim, who got a generous round of applause, and Sterjovski should have done better from a great ball from Sim. Sim was getting better and better; another great cross but no one could finish it off. Sterjovski knew it wasn’t his day when he hit the post after good work from Roux and Duke on the right.
Jeremy Brockie tapped in the fourth to rub salt in the wound; Tom Slater who joined the club this season, and Glen Trifiro who was a foundation Mariners youth player in 2008, came on to make their A League debuts as the Mariners slumped to their fourth defeat in a row.
It is said that as the Titanic went down, the band stoically played on as the magnificent liner slipped beneath the icy waves. The band at Central Coast Stadium gamely played on too, as the Mariners, sinking faster than the proverbial stone, looked more likely to be heading for the Wooden Spoon than any chance of the Finals. These are tough times for Phil Moss, given the worst of all hospital passes by circumstance, but he has to turn this around. He can’t still talk about transition; he is now in charge of a team that can’t defend, can’t score goals and looks alarming short of fitness.
My choice of MoM is between John Hutchinson, who put more into this game than he has all season, and Mat Sim, a part-time professional who seemed to have more get up and go than most around him. I will give it to Sim for a very promising A League debut.
 

gull

Well-Known Member
He can’t still talk about transition; he is now in charge of a team that can’t defend, can’t score goals and looks alarming short of fitness.​
Great overall summary Roy, and unfortunately this is so true. Going to be very hard to turnaround.

Moss came in at a tough time, but some players just don't want to put in which means he's struggling to get the best out of them. He needs more time but the knives will come out soon if we keep fading out of games like that.

Hutcho was great. A real leader's performance, and it say a lot when a player like Sim on debut showed more spirit and desire than 3/4 of the team, and for the ENTIRE match. Great game.

Duke is just sad to watch these days. What happened?
 

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