R20 Mariners V Nix

[dibo]

"Things are not good" does not equal "my preferred formation is the solution".

Try again.

 

[Wombat]

Your solution?

More of the same?

 

[dibo]

Read my earlier post.

 

[Wombat]

Fell asleep.....did it get any better?

Sorry to be rude but its head out of the sand time Dibo.

 

[dibo]

So you have no argument in support of the change you want to see other than "aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh, change something!"

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[awblade]

I do think when things are going as poorly as currently a change to a 4-4-2 formation is a great way to go until the team has regained some confidence. It is the most simple formation to play, where everyone fully understands their role, and everyone else's role, on the park.

This sort of thing is what quite a few teams do when things are not going so well. I have seen Sheff Utd have to do this just this season, and now they have started to play better again and get some results have now started playing the 4-2-3-1 formation. Albeit that has also been after a change of manager

 

[tsd]

Do You guys realise that there is a pretty decent chance that Arnold recruited a 2nd formation in order to implement a change in structure...

I think 442 was a necessity first season
I also think it made it hard to play against brisbane roar

And I do remember Arnold tryin out a 5 man midfield once or twice in his first season...

IMO monty was recruited to start alongside hutch...that was part of Arnold's master plan!

In fact before month was fit, Arnold played pellegrino next to hutch.
What a boring 0-0 game at parramatta statism!

this was my point but i came to realise that wombat has made up his mind so no point dragging it out any further

 

[Big Al]

To me it's the soldiers not the battle plan.

Last years team far superior to this one created enough chances for D. Mcbreen to be golden boot.
This years team far in-superior would be lucky to create enough chances for the whole team to score as many as the golden boot winner.

Here's some issues.
Flores was scoring freely in pre-season - start of the season they shut him down - Got injured
Reddy, Zac & Seip can't pass - Our structure relies on accurate long balls cross field etc.
No proper right winger until Ibini has come back
No consistant #10

The system works with better troops.
Could our troops pull off any formation?

 

[dibo]

I do think when things are going as poorly as currently a change to a 4-4-2 formation is a great way to go until the team has regained some confidence. It is the most simple formation to play, where everyone fully understands their role, and everyone else's role, on the park.

This sort of thing is what quite a few teams do when things are not going so well. I have seen Sheff Utd have to do this just this season, and now they have started to play better again and get some results have now started playing the 4-2-3-1 formation. Albeit that has also been after a change of manager

I'm not sure people would know their roles in a 4-4-2 any better than in the shape we've had for two years.

From our current 4-2-3-1 to go to the basic 4-4-2 would have us delete the #10 and replace with a striker. This gives you your 5 functional pairs - LB/LM, RB/RM, CB/CB, CM/CM, ST/ST.

It has a benefit in that we don't change shape between our basic attacking shape and our basic defensive shape. we'd probably change shape a little bit when we play out, with Hutch staying higher and squarer with Monty, and the LB and RB pulling wider.

It might have one more striker but it's actually a pretty conservative setup, and you lose the natural triangles that form in a 4-2-3-1, but it's something you can set up if you're looking for a bit of a security blanket.

An alternative would be to go back to the diamond, which swaps out a DM for a striker (which is pretty obviously Wombat's preferred option, not that he's explained why).

When we last played it in 2011/12, we really played it more as a 4-1-3-2 - Bozanic and McGlinchey sat square with Amini and Hutch sat behind. It's functionally a lot more similar to our current shape, and it allows the fullbacks to press harder while the DM drops in but it relied on having a very hard working #10 in Amini.

Caceres can probably play that role, and toss a coin for Monty and Hutch behind (I obviously generally prefer Hutch, but YMMV). Our biggest problem is that I'm not sure that we've got anyone near the quality of Bozanic and McGlinchey.

It also does nothing to solve our back 4's issues (which might need a few hairdryer treatments from the gaffer I suspect), it actually costs us a little cover in front of our 3 and 4 - our greatest weakness at the moment.