R10: Nix v CCM, Hamilton NZ

[Coach]

Brilliant comment, Okon doesn't change things when we are behind, same old same old. City, Sydney FC, Victory and Brisbane all change structure from game to game and during games based on who they play and the position the team is in. I also agree that the structure does not compliment the cattle, we need to play format and structure that suits the players not the other way around.

Just rewatching the game and the commentators are saying that Okon is screaming over and over again to play the possession game, its the 71st minute FFS and we are done by 2, attack at every opportunity would make more sense.

 

[nebakke]

No one that knows about Football thinks we dont need a 10. Its as obvious at the fact we need a quality CB.

No CB would've changed the result much last night - a #10 could've won us the game... After the last couple of weeks, I'm significantly more concerned about our inability to bring the ball up through midfield, than I am about our defence.
This sort of shit is what happens when we keep putting our defence under pressure, the way we are, simply because the boys run out of ideas in trying to get the ball away.
Possession is all good and well, but in keeping the ball floating around amongst the defenders we also make it so much easier for someone to get through on goal when poaching.
I'm not saying the defence is perfect, clearly not, but I don't think it's anywhere near as pressing as I once thought it was... We need to sort the midfield.

Not that I claim to know much about football - but then neither does Blind Freddy sooo...

 

[BrisRecky]

well...if you got 3 points for possession , we would so far in front of the pack they'd give us the medal now...if only we could do something with all that ball we hang onto.....stevie wonder could see we missed Monty and Tav, AND after weeks of pairing up excellently , they sub Stormy off and move Galloway over the other side which effectively cut down Connors runs.....still trying to figger out why Ivan was in NZ , I can only think their saving Iz for the Roar game...as for spending in the window , forget it, Okons pressy was on mariners members FB (courtesy of Mariner Mick) and he says we are chockers with only possibly, maybe one spot to fill...so dont cross ya digits kids for a spending spree.....doubt there will be 11k at the game next week after two resounding floggings

 

[Tevor]

Just really diaspointing, scared what Roar will do to us next week. Clearly it is an easy game plan against us so PO needs to mix it up. I would rather get flogged when we are at least trying to attack, six shots against the Nux is just not acceptable.

 

[tim...]

Yeah...lets make it clear to MC early....................who is prone to blaming everyone else for the shit he gets us in.

Most sane people would get the key people in before the season starts!

Leeds United's chairman, who is equally as flakey as Mike just got banned for 18mths. Maybe we can all learn from that...lol.

It's a tried but true tale - without MC we don't have a viable option to remain a club. He doesn't make all the right decisions, sure, but he's the reason CCM didn't fold in 2013 and is still here in 2016/17.

As to your main point, the recruitment was done pre-PO's appointment and there wouldn't have been much if any room to move. Hopefully there is plenty of movement in January - Roy's statement last week made it fairly clear we need back-up and I reckon PO is listening and would be surprised if he wasn't pushing hard for it.

 

[tim...]

Can someone tell why;

1. Necevski was preferred to Izzo
2. Fab was preferred to Trent

Two good things this year has been the improvement of Izzo and Trent, I can only gather some discipline issues or a complete brain fade!

Been mentioned a couple of times this thread - last week was thought to be a lack of experience. Without Tav & Monty, PO obviously wanted some experience on the pitch.

Backfired. Izzo back next Sunday hopefully. Along with Monty, hopefully.

 

[Big Al]

Remember those days when we kept a clean sheet and were in the six.

Remember The talk were starting to click and we will be good in the new year.

Au win today and we go straight from 7th to last in 24hrs.

That's how much we miss Taveras and Monty

 

[shipwreck]

Remember those days when we kept a clean sheet and were in the six.

Remember The talk were starting to click and we will be good in the new year.

Au win today and we go straight from 7th to last in 24hrs.

That's how much we miss Taveras and Monty

Depressing thought indeed.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Yeah I think it's a shame. He's been doing a terrific job, but we don't currently have a starting 11 up to the task at hand.

As to change... far easier said than done with young players. I agree about power of adjusting tactically and structurally, though it's not true that we don't do any. However very likely they would only get worse if we were trying to change things up too much I'm afraid.

 

[Luca Brasi]

Large dose of 15/16 there, boys against men.

I don't dislike Rose Berry or Powell but they are simply not a strong enough central midfield and we're now pinned back and under the pump because they have lost the battle and we have no field position or shape.

This.

As to change... far easier said than done with young players. I agree about power of adjusting tactically and structurally, though it's not true that we don't do any. However very likely they would only get worse if we were trying to change things up too much I'm afraid.

The wheels fell off last week when we put Fab in the middle and went to a back 3.

 

[priorpeter]

Been mentioned a couple of times this thread - last week was thought to be a lack of experience. Without Tav & Monty, PO obviously wanted some experience on the pitch.

Backfired. Izzo back next Sunday hopefully. Along with Monty, hopefully.

Speaking to a few people pre-game - turns out izzo has been struggling with illness the last few days

 

[Holy]

Been mentioned a couple of times this thread - last week was thought to be a lack of experience. Without Tav & Monty, PO obviously wanted some experience on the pitch.

Backfired. Izzo back next Sunday hopefully. Along with Monty, hopefully.

I was disappointed that both weren't in the starting 11 and agree, it was probably the need for experience.

I wouldn't say Necevski backfired. The 1st was a deflection, doubt Izzo would of stopped it either, the 2nd no keeper would of saved, and forget the 3rd, game was over.

He pulled off at least 1 top shelf save that I doubt Izzo would of got.

The real disappointment was Fab. As an experienced player he should of put his stamp on the game and lead by example. He looked completely disinterested.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Been mentioned a couple of times this thread - last week was thought to be a lack of experience. Without Tav & Monty, PO obviously wanted some experience on the pitch.

Backfired. Izzo back next Sunday hopefully. Along with Monty, hopefully.

Also think it's very likely Okon was hoping Fab would go up a gear fighting for his spot. This is a reasonable expectation and good coaching. Fab never lost his spot because he was 'bad'. Trent just took his opportunity really well.

Furthermore, even despite izzo's illness, if you want quality and or experience on the bench and those players positively enrolled in the vision, not resentful/sulking and already thinking of a move, then you need to give them opportunities. Play an off colour izzo and Ivan is mentally on the way out - and izzo gets injured a few weeks later and we get another bad apple In goals who can ruin the group.

I'm not saying it worked coach, but you asked for the reasoning why.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Personally, I don't blame Fab or pain at all for their inability to get themselves into that game.

 

[Holy]

Brilliant comment, Okon doesn't change things when we are behind, same old same old. City, Sydney FC, Victory and Brisbane all change structure from game to game and during games based on who they play and the position the team is in. I also agree that the structure does not compliment the cattle, we need to play format and structure that suits the players not the other way around.

Agree, but could this be Okon way of finding out who buying in and who's not, as well as who suits the way he wants to play and who doesn't.

Just throwing this out there: With what Okon had available last night, knowing the style he wants to play, I wonder if Roy is better off in the role Powell is playing and bring Trent into play Roy's, whilst benching Powell and leaving Fab and Pain as they are.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Powell either needs to play up front or not at all he isn't a 10,isnt a false 9. He is a central striker.

 

[MagpieMariner]

Can someone tell why;

1. Necevski was preferred to Izzo
2. Fab was preferred to Trent

Two good things this year has been the improvement of Izzo and Trent, I can only gather some discipline issues or a complete brain fade!

My impression was they were in to add some experience to a very young side.

 

[Holy]

Powell either needs to play up front or not at all he isn't a 10,isnt a false 9. He is a central striker.

Agree, but who would you put in his current role?

I'm looking through what was available last night and is Roy a possibility.

He got no service and we have tried Powell there, so is he worth a shot?

He ball to Stormy last week that ultimately lead to our goal was sublime, his work rate is high and in the absence of a better option could he be the answer whilst we don't have a 10.

I don't think Trent would let us down if he was our central striker, but there is also the option of Bingers and Powell as well

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Powell either needs to play up front or not at all he isn't a 10,isnt a false 9. He is a central striker.

I agree, have held off to give him time. But I think the experiment is over. With him on we've been consistently relying on the creativity coming from deeper in Tav, Monty winning turnovers and countering at speed and fast wingers... No Tav... No monty and other teams cottoning on and double teaming and isolating our wingers... I agree that we need to move or bench Powell. I think Rose couldn't do worse. I think Roy is an interesting idea... but to take such a good striker from his position is a big call...

One other option is to go for a ball winning midfield instead. Posc, Monty and Ascroft with Faty returning. Sit tighter and look to turn it over more consistently and counter through our pace.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Izzo unwell apparently, as was Pain to a lesser extent,