Players Season 2012/2013 HAL8

[12th player]

. so you don't rate sainsbury @ DM? ... arnie swapped him in there again last night so seems to be in his thinking

Sainsbury is a top defender(CB).In the youth he played all games as a CB and did brilliant.In DM he's not as good as Caceres on the ball.I would love to see Caceres and Sainsbury together in the midfield and move Hutch to LM.Our passing, possesion and distribution of the ball to our forwards will be consistent and much more efficient.That's what we lacked yesterday.Players that can pass a ball to the feet of team mates and not the opposition.Players that can keep possesion and feed our strikers.

 

[tsd]

i may be mistaken but wasn't griffith a CB for most of his career until coming here?

the season coming will be mat ryan and bernie ibini's 3rd season as first team regulars, maybe we can afford to bring in another youngster or 2!

BTW it will be a very cold day in sydney(hell) that arnold changes his mind on the diamond midfield. We will be playing with 1 DM, 1 AM and 2 strikers. he may be a great leader our arnold but he is very predictable with lineups, never taking the excellent advice we give him on here!

 

[pjennings]

BTW it will be a very cold day in sydney(hell) that arnold changes his mind on the diamond midfield. We will be playing with 1 DM, 1 AM and 2 strikers. he may be a great leader our arnold but he is very predictable with lineups, never taking the excellent advice we give him on here!

I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory. Arnie himself said that his preference is for 4-3-3 but it doesn't suit the players we have (as he stays and changes the squad that may change). However, in spite of everything Robbie Slater has said about Arnie only ever playing 4-4-2-narrow diamond we have often changed to a 4-3-3 with one defensive mid and two attacking mids or a 4-2-4 with two screeners and four forwards.

Arnie is not that inflexible, he reacts to the situation of the game within the parameters of the people he has available. While that is good in many ways I would like to see him be more pro-active in attacking games, particularly the home Asian games where the 3 points is so important.

 

[bikinigirl]

Any thoughts on Rogic? It's obvious he has talent and I know he has had little exposure to A League level game time before starting with us. however?

. concensus seems to be that he looks slow ... are looks deceiving?

. he is a big lump of a lad ... and i can't say that without the old chestnut: he has good touch for a big fella

. his close ball skills seem fantastic - creditted to his oft referred futsal background ... but he seems to often be isolated. perhaps these are closely related ... does his potential lie in having players run off him but in close proximity? this, i would think is a role for bernie & duke

 

[Roy Law]

I am looking forward to seeing how Caceres develops but I am not going to put expectations too high on a player who only made the squad against Nagoya because we had five players out. Ryan is the only youth player to step up and immediately make an impact and consistently hold his place in the first team; none of the other youngsters have been able to do that.
As for recruitment I think, if Patrick and Rogic re-sign, that we will only have two spots to fill but three problem positions DM, AM and striker so Arnie may well rely on Sainsbury/ Hutch/ Bozanic and Caceres at DM to allow him to find another Perez at AM plus the hoped for gun striker.

 

[pjennings]

I am looking forward to seeing how Caceres develops but I am not going to put expectations too high on a player who only made the squad against Nagoya because we had five players out. Ryan is the only youth player to step up and immediately make an impact and consistently hold his place in the first team; none of the other youngsters have been able to do that.
As for recruitment I think, if Patrick and Rogic re-sign, that we will only have two spots to fill but three problem positions DM, AM and striker so Arnie may well rely on Sainsbury/ Hutch/ Bozanic and Caceres at DM to allow him to find another Perez at AM plus the hoped for gun striker.

IIRC - you can actually sign 26 - with the wages of 3 who qualify for the NYL not counting towards the cap.

 

[BaysideMariner]

I think that a full presason with Clarkie will improve Rogic speed and fitness as he needs to get some more acceleration off the mark to make more of an impact. Everyone is correct regarding a clinical striker. I was watching the game thinking if Smeltz was there instead of Kwassie/McBreen what would have been the difference?

 

[Wombat]

Its very rare for a CB to become a good DM. I really doubt that Sainsbury is the answer. He has less composure than Hutcho and less skill. He probably has more go forward but tbh it would be hard to find a player that didnt!

IMHO Hutcho is a great squad player and can play DM or LM or RM. He is versatile and reliable but he if not a starting 11 player in a team that is pushing to be a top 2 side.

The wheels fell off in a BIG way in the second half of the season and it started with the following catalysts:

1. Simon left.
2. Griffiths left.
3. Hutcho (who was playing his best in 2 yrs) switched to the crucial role of DM.
4. Amini and Bernie stopped playing in the starting 11.
5. Sutton failed to become the

Rojic in AM flattered to deceive. He wasnt quite as good as Amini but was favoured due to the fact that he will be here and Amini was leaving.

He scored a couple of cracking goals and showed some great skills but he didnt link well with his forwards and didnt have any work rate off the ball. His passing and timing of his passes was also sometimes off the money.


He will definately be a great player but he has probably been lucky to have started as many games as he has. Having said that he looked like our only player (with olly missing) up to ACL standard so he remains an unpolished diamond.

 

[midfielder]

The wheels fell off in a BIG way in the second half of the season and it started with the following catalysts:

1. Simon left.
2. Griffiths left.
3. Hutcho (who was playing his best in 2 yrs) switched to the crucial role of DM.
4. Amini and Bernie stopped playing in the starting 11.
5. Sutton failed to become the

Rojic in AM flattered to deceive. He wasnt quite as good as Amini but was favoured due to the fact that he will be here and Amini was leaving.

he wheels fell off in a BIG way in the second half of the season and it started with the following catalysts: Agree with your points and would add all the financial talk had its effect

1. Simon left. Massive loss and never recovered also he helped Bernie heaps
2. Griffiths left. IMO the biggest loss he just did so much especially off the ball
3. Hutcho (who was playing his best in 2 yrs) switched to the crucial role of DM.Played he socks off his career best but agree a strong squad player
4. Amini and Bernie stopped playing in the starting 11. Could never understand this would love to sit down with GA and ask why
5. Sutton failed to become the The biggest disappointment for the promise he looked he would bring for a couple of seasons

Rojic in AM flattered to deceive. He wasnt quite as good as Amini but was favoured due to the fact that he will be here and Amini was leaving. Gotta agree, but also add Musty created goals [who for] whereas Rojic scored them and was stronger on the ball I still think Musty if he can hold it all together he will make the Socceroos and become one of Australia's best players

 

[midfielder]

Zac

Seems to see himself a CD ... http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/239968,mariners-snap-up-zach-re-sign-pedj.aspx read some comments about him being a DM... just wondering what people think of him and what role do you think GA has for him..

 

[pjennings]

he wheels fell off in a BIG way in the second half of the season and it started with the following catalysts: Agree with your points and would add all the financial talk had its effect

1. Simon left. Massive loss and never recovered also he helped Bernie heaps
2. Griffiths left. IMO the biggest loss he just did so much especially off the ball
3. Hutcho (who was playing his best in 2 yrs) switched to the crucial role of DM.Played he socks off his career best but agree a strong squad player
4. Amini and Bernie stopped playing in the starting 11. Could never understand this would love to sit down with GA and ask why
I think this stemmed from the time he played Tommy, Musti and Bernie together. Amini, in spite of coming back unfit from the Olyroos tried to pressure the opposition. Tommy (unfit?) and Bernie (lazy?) were not interested in doing that. We ended up having to sit back in our own half and we got spanked. He didn't start them together after that and I don't think he started Bernie again. My take is that he thought Rogic offered more than Musti - a view I don't share.
5. Sutton failed to become the The biggest disappointment for the promise he looked he would bring for a couple of seasons

Rojic in AM flattered to deceive. He wasnt quite as good as Amini but was favoured due to the fact that he will be here and Amini was leaving. Gotta agree, but also add Musty created goals [who for] whereas Rojic scored them and was stronger on the ball I still think Musty if he can hold it all together he will make the Socceroos and become one of Australia's best playersAgreed

 

[Wombat]

he wheels fell off in a BIG way in the second half of the season and it started with the following catalysts: Agree with your points and would add all the financial talk had its effect

1. Simon left. Massive loss and never recovered also he helped Bernie heaps
2. Griffiths left. IMO the biggest loss he just did so much especially off the ball
3. Hutcho (who was playing his best in 2 yrs) switched to the crucial role of DM.Played he socks off his career best but agree a strong squad player
4. Amini and Bernie stopped playing in the starting 11. Could never understand this would love to sit down with GA and ask why
5. Sutton failed to become the The biggest disappointment for the promise he looked he would bring for a couple of seasons

Rojic in AM flattered to deceive. He wasnt quite as good as Amini but was favoured due to the fact that he will be here and Amini was leaving. Gotta agree, but also add Musty created goals [who for] whereas Rojic scored them and was stronger on the ball I still think Musty if he can hold it all together he will make the Socceroos and become one of Australia's best players

Good points as usual middy but consider this.

Was Hutcho playing his career best form on the wing.....or in central mid? I remember him having ONE great game in the middle (possibly when we fluked a win over heart when they outplayed us for 85 mins). The rest he was ok.
The financial issues...if you are a committed and decent player....should have little or no effect. You play for yourself and your team mates, first and foremost. Look at Dutchy....he is the model of consistency every game. He hates to be beaten and gives the maximum every game regardless. Once you cross the white line, you do your thing.
The club instability is a kop out for mine.
look at gold coast under Mulvey facing annilation and the wooden spoon.....they were committed and played some of their best football of the season.

We should be proud of what we did last year but let's not bury our heads and ignore the fact we would have come in the bottom two on our form in the last 2-3 months.

 

[pjennings]

i heard on nbn the other night that we are in negotations with aussie striker overseas
any ideas ?

Anyone heard any whispers on this?

As for CM and AM how would people feel about James Wesolovski and Jason Culina. Both have had their injury worries - but assuming they both get a clean bill of health they are both quality players. The injury worries would also keep their cost down considerably.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Bikini, no I think Sainsbury is clearly not an answer at DM. Though I liked his energy/pace there last night. Distribution still lacked and just not skilful enough under pressure - Nor do I expect him to be. I think he's best suited to centre back not RB or DM.
Last night I believe Arnie played him there more as a tactical reshuffle to try and facilitate having three strikers on the park.

I agree with PAt that Arnie is more flexible than the media and others paint him out to be. We have actually changed shape as Pat said a few times, and he shows other signs, plays youth, chases games pretty aggressively sometimes, even finally gave in and experimented with Rogic and Musti on at same time, which was not in keeping with best suiting the narrow diamond 442.

To those who think Rogic is slow, I think your tripping. He's big, yes, so acceleration will never be his strong suit, though he makes up for it in exceptional feet and touch, but once he gets "gliding" he often leaves players in his wake and hits an impressive speed at full dribble, very graceful and it's deceptive. He's not Rukavytsa sure, but I think he's going A LOT faster than a lot of people realise. Lovely to watch.

Really does remind me of a lesser thierry henry and I'm prepared to go way out on a limb and say of all the attacking youth we have seen so far in the HAL, Rogic definitely has the most potential.

The other REALLY EXCITING thing about our team is that Arnie feels we are only running at about 75% potential and I believe him.

Arnie has created huge improvements since he's been here. With another six months, I think we can hope for more from everyone we already have.

 

[12th player]

Bikini, no I think Sainsbury is clearly not an answer at DM. Though I liked his energy/pace there last night. Distribution still lacked and just not skilful enough under pressure - Nor do I expect him to be. I think he's best suited to centre back not RB or DM.
Last night I believe Arnie played him there more as a tactical reshuffle to try and facilitate having three strikers on the park.

I agree with PAt that Arnie is more flexible than the media and others paint him out to be. We have actually changed shape as Pat said a few times, and he shows other signs, plays youth, chases games pretty aggressively sometimes, even finally gave in and experimented with Rogic and Musti on at same time, which was not in keeping with best suiting the narrow diamond 442.

To those who think Rogic is slow, I think your tripping. He's big, yes, so acceleration will never be his strong suit, though he makes up for it in exceptional feet and touch, but once he gets "gliding" he often leaves players in his wake and hits an impressive speed at full dribble, very graceful and it's deceptive. He's not Rukavytsa sure, but I think he's going A LOT faster than a lot of people realise. Lovely to watch.

Really does remind me of a lesser thierry henry and I'm prepared to go way out on a limb and say of all the attacking youth we have seen so far in the HAL, Rogic definitely has the most potential.

The other REALLY EXCITING thing about our team is that Arnie feels we are only running at about 75% potential and I believe him.

Arnie has created huge improvements since he's been here. With another six months, I think we can hope for more from everyone we already have.

I agree with you in regards to Rogic and his pace.As an ex football player my opinion is that football isn't all about how fast a player can run.No one doubts that speed is an important aspect of the individual and the game but at the same time it's not the only thing.Unfortunately in Australia,most of our coaches and fans are more inclined towards players with physical speed and tend to ignore the technical qualities of the individual.This is why most, if not all players of other asian countries(Japan and Korea in particular), are more comfortable on the ball than aussie players.There are players with physical and others with mental speed.The player with physical speed will get there and the player with mental speed will place the ball there.A player that was born fast but technically poor will never have a good touch or good technic.While the so called "slow" but technically gifted player can work and improve on his speed.He will never be a sprinter but will improve.All teams will need a combination of both kinds of players to be successful.

 

[Roy Law]

We should be proud of what we did last year but let's not bury our heads and ignore the fact we would have come in the bottom two on our form in the last 2-3 months.

Agreed;it is going to be very interesting to see what Arnie can do about this

 

[Gratis]

Agreed;it is going to be very interesting to see what Arnie can do about this

Also agree. Thing is you know he can, and with a fit, somewhat refined team for per-season...

I think the loss of players and the travel/work load had it's impact. It's a shame 'cause Aussie teams don't play anywhere near as many games as many other leagues. We'll get there!

 

[Blackadder]

Hmmm the Smurfs have parted company with Meggsy (and Cole), targets for the Mariners. ???

 

[Statue]

Hmmm the Smurfs have parted company with Meggsy (and Cole), targets for the Mariners. ???

Don't think we need Meggsy back here, got plenty of cover in defense

 

[Wombat]

I wouldn't sign either but Meggsy looked a bit better than he did for Melbourne.

I heard that fat boy henandes has been released by victory and he is someone that you would have to consider.