New Years Eve - Mariners V Wellington - Round 21

[bikinigirl]

we've got to cop a few mistakes and a few moments of immaturity perhaps (lewis not taking responsibility for his area of the penalty area allowing ifill to dance on in unimpeded is one example)

. from memory he was actually tracking the guy with the ball (his opposing number) and I reckon it was somebody else's responsibility to pick up the run of ifill

 

[Ted]

All things considered it is the fact we are not hitting the back of the net which has been our undoing. An early goal or an equalizing goal would have changed the outcome in several of our recent losses. It's not like we don't get enough chances to take the win, but we fail miserably at slotting them home. Then a successful counter attack will put us on the back foot from which we rarely recover. Definitely need Doig in the back line and a striker hungry for blood. Fix these 2 problems and I'm sure we'd win more games than we lose...

 

[Jerem]

The other side of the coin is that Lawrie has now coached us to just 6 wins in 32 games in twelve months and only one win at Bluetongue - can't see many managers surviving those sort of statistics no matter how unlucky.

wow, surely the board have to do something about this in the next month or so, imho these are the options:
-utilise link with sheffield bring in quality players on loan
-buy some quality players
-sack mckinna and use tony walmsey as a short term replacement
-sack mckinna and get a quality manager (not arnold!!!!)
because those kind of statistics just should not happen in any sport

me mate has a theory, that like FFC said the brass have taken a long term view, theyve been blinkers trying to get COE up and running, and not really worried about on the field, ( it seems a right but risky way to go, i think) he also believes now that COE is gettin off the ground, that
LM wont have long if this keeps up and Tobin will be incharge by years end,

personally i wouldnt mind seeing what the old Capt. tobin can do. he always appears frustrated at the decisions made, it is clear we did not clear all the deadwood last season, no real need yet to spend up, clear out old and promote youth first.

in a strange way i wouldnt mind the spoon, things may change for the better then

 

[Jerem]

at the moment we deserve nothing more

 

[mariners4ever]

The other side of the coin is that Lawrie has now coached us to just 6 wins in 32 games in twelve months and only one win at Bluetongue - can't see many managers surviving those sort of statistics no matter how unlucky.

wow, surely the board have to do something about this in the next month or so, imho these are the options:
-utilise link with sheffield bring in quality players on loan
-buy some quality players
-sack mckinna and use tony walmsey as a short term replacement
-sack mckinna and get a quality manager (not arnold!!!!)
because those kind of statistics just should not happen in any sport

me mate has a theory, that like FFC said the brass have taken a long term view, theyve been blinkers trying to get COE up and running, and not really worried about on the field, ( it seems a right but risky way to go, i think) he also believes now that COE is gettin off the ground, that
LM wont have long if this keeps up and Tobin will be incharge by years end,

personally i wouldnt mind seeing what the old Capt. tobin can do. he always appears frustrated at the decisions made, it is clear we did not clear all the deadwood last season, no real need yet to spend up, clear out old and promote youth first.

in a strange way i wouldnt mind the spoon, things may change for the better then

TBH i would rather have walmesy as coach then tobin, tobin was coach of youth last year and they didnt do very well, then came walmesy and also came newer better players, and now they're challenging for top spot

 

[FFC Mariner]

Agree, whilst last seasons yoof team was pretty ordinary, they rarely played with any shape or cohesion.

 

[marinermick]

walmsley is no where near ready to take up the first grade reigns

 

[striker]

walmsley is no where near ready to take up the first grade reigns

McKinna is the man!  He's a great coach....  needs at least 8 new players to make the difference. except for 2 or 3  the players we have now are lacking talent, skill and the will to win. 

 

[mariners4ever]

walmsley is no where near ready to take up the first grade reigns

neither is tobin, my point was that if we had to choose between tobin and walmsley, i would choose walmsley, because of what has done with the youth this season

 

[fruitbat]

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Our directors have a real dilemma in what to do about the coaching position.As stated elsewhere LM bleeds the Mariners and is a perfect fit in terms of his ability to relate to the fans,local kids and the media etc.He's the perfect public figure.

But in a coaching sense I think he's done as much as he can and it's time for a change at the end of this season imo.I'm sure there is a position elsewhere in the club for him.
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Hello Arab M.
I agree with you but I'm not sure why people (not you) are suggesting McKinna get kicked UPSTAIRS (not kicked downstarirs or kicked out) for non performance.

Perhaps he needs to be treated as our players are- ie a stint coaching the Youth League team (or the womens team?) until he gets some results or just told his services arent needed anymore.

 

[marinermick]

People who say non-performance are kidding themselves. Lawrie has over-achieved for the past five seasons with some of the most scant resources of all the teams - small player budgets, getting refused player signings that he wanted and having to train his team at about a dozen different venues of five seasons, many of which were sub-standard.

To say that Lawrie doesn't have a place at this club (head coach or not) is hugely disrespectful and ignorant to how much of himself he has put into this club and that the success and ground roots support we now have is mostly because of him.

People have short memories, but Lawrie spent a whole year without pay to make sure the Mariners bid got over the line and even mortgaged his own home over that time.

I wonder how many muppets on this forum would have the courage, belief and passion for the Mariners to do the same.

 

[pjennings]

People who say non-performance are kidding themselves. Lawrie has over-achieved for the past five seasons with some of the most scant resources of all the teams - small player budgets, getting refused player signings that he wanted and having to train his team at about a dozen different venues of five seasons, many of which were sub-standard.

To say that Lawrie doesn't have a place at this club (head coach or not) is hugely disrespectful and ignorant to how much of himself he has put into this club and that the success and ground roots support we now have is mostly because of him.

People have short memories, but Lawrie spent a whole year without pay to make sure the Mariners bid got over the line and even mortgaged his own home over that time.

I wonder how many muppets on this forum would have the courage, belief and passion for the Mariners to do the same.

The challenge for the muppets is to name a better manager for this club. As Mick said what Lawrie has done with the resources he had is definitely over and above what would have been expected.

He faces another challenge now as he continues to transform the team that was originally one of the oldest in season one to one that is markedly younger now.

I do not think that Tobin or Walmsley have anything on Lawrie as far as coaching and man management. I would much rather that the Board, as they start the COE, look at a more complete coaching structure to support Lawrie, the first team, the youth team and the academy.

 

[fruitbat]

People who say non-performance are kidding themselves. Lawrie has over-achieved for the past five seasons with some of the most scant resources of all the teams - small player budgets, getting refused player signings that he wanted and having to train his team at about a dozen different venues of five seasons, many of which were sub-standard.

To say that Lawrie doesn't have a place at this club (head coach or not) is hugely disrespectful and ignorant to how much of himself he has put into this club and that the success and ground roots support we now have is mostly because of him.

People have short memories, but Lawrie spent a whole year without pay to make sure the Mariners bid got over the line and even mortgaged his own home over that time.

I wonder how many muppets on this forum would have the courage, belief and passion for the Mariners to do the same.

It doesnt matter how much of himself he has put into the club or not. I'm sure most players have given their all as well but they get cut from the team if they dont get results-its as simple as that.

 

[fruitbat]

The challenge for the muppets is to name a better manager for this club.

The club needs to accept that a new manager is needed before searching for one. Sydney FC's new coach is doing a great job-better managers ARE out there.

 

[FFC Mariner]

People who say non-performance are kidding themselves. Lawrie has over-achieved for the past five seasons with some of the most scant resources of all the teams - small player budgets, getting refused player signings that he wanted and having to train his team at about a dozen different venues of five seasons, many of which were sub-standard.

To say that Lawrie doesn't have a place at this club (head coach or not) is hugely disrespectful and ignorant to how much of himself he has put into this club and that the success and ground roots support we now have is mostly because of him.

People have short memories, but Lawrie spent a whole year without pay to make sure the Mariners bid got over the line and even mortgaged his own home over that time.

I wonder how many muppets on this forum would have the courage, belief and passion for the Mariners to do the same.

Well said Mick. Anyone considering dismissing him from the club completely is an idiot.

Tobin and the rest of the coaching staff have to take their share of any blame as they run training.

 

[fruitbat]

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Well said Mick. Anyone considering dismissing him from the club completely is an idiot.

Tobin and the rest of the coaching staff have to take their share of any blame as they run training.

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Disagree. The franchise is a business. The idiots are those CEOs who ignore customers complaints when product quality is slipping. Product loyalty among buyers can only last so long in such cases.
If a factory worker isnt up to scratch his services are no longer required. The FOREMAN who doesnt get results out of his workers shouldnt get promoted.
McKinna doesnt mind taking the kudos when we win, he has to take responsibility for the failures.
If McKinna's forte is PR then maybe he can be offered something there. 

 

[marinermick]

and this is where i disagree - he has got the results with the resources he has been attributed

if he was allowed to have the players he wanted, with the proper facilities to prepare these players, this would now be a moot argument

 

[fruitbat]

and this is where i disagree - he has got the results with the resources he has been attributed

if he was allowed to have the players he wanted, with the proper facilities to prepare these players, this would now be a moot argument

I dont think many fans would be thrilled with our current situation-I certainly dont think the results are satisfactory. Mind you I wasnt happy with his efforts last season, and many of you said to keep him on.
McKinna has had a very long spell trying to do what he can with what he has to work with. It just may be that someone else with different ideas/tactics/interpersonal abilities can do more than he can. There is very little to lose in trying.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

People who say non-performance are kidding themselves. Lawrie has over-achieved for the past five seasons with some of the most scant resources of all the teams - small player budgets, getting refused player signings that he wanted and having to train his team at about a dozen different venues of five seasons, many of which were sub-standard.

To say that Lawrie doesn't have a place at this club (head coach or not) is hugely disrespectful and ignorant to how much of himself he has put into this club and that the success and ground roots support we now have is mostly because of him.

People have short memories, but Lawrie spent a whole year without pay to make sure the Mariners bid got over the line and even mortgaged his own home over that time.

I wonder how many muppets on this forum would have the courage, belief and passion for the Mariners to do the same.

Great post.

 

[scottmac]

and this is where i disagree - he has got the results with the resources he has been attributed

if he was allowed to have the players he wanted, with the proper facilities to prepare these players, this would now be a moot argument

This is an invalid argument. He has a brilliant squad, you could argue that no other squad in the league has our depth. Its the star he lacks and he was never going to get it. Facility wise its been the same since the leagues inception so they wouldn't know any better. No excuse.

The fact that we have played some unbelievable football this year should be a point in favour for LM but to me it swings it the other way. How could we find most of our players off the boil at the same time not long after being the form team? There has not been one standout over the last 6 weeks which you could say has been playing to his ability. Its the reason why i think something else is going on squad wise.