New Years Eve - Mariners V Wellington - Round 21

[marinermick]

and this is where i disagree - he has got the results with the resources he has been attributed

if he was allowed to have the players he wanted, with the proper facilities to prepare these players, this would now be a moot argument

This is an invalid argument. He has a brilliant squad, you could argue that no other squad in the league has our depth. Its the star he lacks and he was never going to get it. Facility wise its been the same since the leagues inception so they wouldn't know any better. No excuse.

Wrong and wrong.

He has less money to spend than other teams and the fact that he has procured so much depth is testament to his nouse, but it is in no way a brilliant squad. It is no coincidence that the season we spent our cap and had a marquee we won the premiership.

And no, we have had not the same training facilities from inception. The team has had to endure a number of training facilities with poor amentities and poor playing surfaces. The massive restriction on Bluetongue lately would not have hurt either.

If you see the facilities that clubs like Newcastle (Newcastle University), Sydney (Macquarie University) and Melbourne (Olympic Park and nearby centre) you would be seriously embarassed for our players and club.

Lawrie may have had a jump on teams early because coaches had little knowledge of players like travis and mcglinchey but in the end quality wins out and throwing our players all over the coast on any available oval does very little to assist training and actually hampers preparation as the season goes on.

 

[curious]

The active supporters (sic) argue among themselves, the supporters (sic) on the forum put down the players after every loss, (like a tantrum throwing brat, the dummy spits are guaranteed) or boo them from the field. The players have the shites with the supporters for being fickle brats and argue with and abuse each other on the pitch.
No wonder the team are travelling so well, it's just one big happy family!

BTW....that whining, bitchy little girl, Travis, needs a team mate to shove his head down a toilet after each game till he learns to act like a man and stop blaming everyone else for his stuff ups, his constant abuse of his team mates, as. refs and refs, and keep his sewer mouth shut on the pitch. His constant whining and swearing in a loud girl like squeal does no favours for team work/harmony & is enough to turn off both the fans at the game and those silly enough to listen to his constant blubbering on foxsports.

 

[fedelta]

BTW....that whining, bitchy little girl, Travis, needs a team mate to shove his head down a toilet after each game till he learns to act like a man and stop blaming everyone else for his stuff ups, his constant abuse of his team mates, as. refs and refs, and keep his sewer mouth shut on the pitch. His constant whining and swearing in a loud girl like squeal does no favours for team work/harmony & is enough to turn off both the fans at the game and those silly enough to listen to his constant blubbering on foxsports.

smack him one big boy

 

[Forum Phoenix]

The active supporters (sic) argue among themselves, the supporters (sic) on the forum put down the players after every loss, (like a tantrum throwing brat, the dummy spits are guaranteed) or boo them from the field. The players have the shites with the supporters for being fickle brats and argue with and abuse each other on the pitch.
No wonder the team are travelling so well, it's just one big happy family!

BTW....that whining, bitchy little girl, Travis, needs a team mate to shove his head down a toilet after each game till he learns to act like a man and stop blaming everyone else for his stuff ups, his constant abuse of his team mates, as. refs and refs, and keep his sewer mouth shut on the pitch. His constant whining and swearing in a loud girl like squeal does no favours for team work/harmony & is enough to turn off both the fans at the game and those silly enough to listen to his constant blubbering on foxsports.

Thats a hilarious post!
Loved the first paragraph... very pertinent... and then the second had to be the biggest slagging I've read since the Disco stuff. lol. One big happy family?
Suggest you don't take up relationship counseling anytime soon Curious!

 

[Wombat]

walmsley is no where near ready to take up the first grade reigns

Neither is Tobin.

 

[elevated position]

A point to the company line purveyors. in 2 of the first 3 yrs the central coast performed great  so thats 2 out of 3. Were we just lucky???
Of the coaches that were strikers which ones were are able to get the strikers firing???
First year excluded without Vidmar and now Doig our defense is crap and is that not Tobins domain.As i said last week sign up Doig long term .
Prediction LM will struggle to stay in charge and will change those around him.
And from the body language around on the bench I already see people  trying to to distance themselves

 

[nero]

No Aussie coach could match what LM has done at the Mariners, especially not GA.
However, an overseas experienced coach could achieve much more with the board allowing for full salary cap and Marquee.
So more spending on the field and bring in an oversea's coach from europe, results will follow.
We need a change from the last 12 months.

 

[Andre_1]

Dont blame you mate the game was hard to watch but if you do watch it back you would notice how wrong you are.

Thats not a draw old mate?

 

[Wombat]

I think Lawrie's main fault has been his loyalty to certain players but as a coach he has done pretty well and given us some fantastic results this season.
Some things have been beyond his control....the terrible form of D-Mac and Disco. The injuries to Doig have hurt us badly.
There are many positives going into next year.  The return to form of Wilko and Vukovic.
The discovery of excellent talent like WeeMac and Travis.
Our starting back four is excellent but we had no specialist cover should any of them get injured.
CCM have tried to do it on the cheap again BUT many players are in their last year so this season we have been in a holding pattern as we couln't afford to pay out anybodies contracts.

I don't really blame LM.


If Lawrie doesn't clear himself of the deadwood they will drag him under.

 

[scottmac]

and this is where i disagree - he has got the results with the resources he has been attributed

if he was allowed to have the players he wanted, with the proper facilities to prepare these players, this would now be a moot argument

This is an invalid argument. He has a brilliant squad, you could argue that no other squad in the league has our depth. Its the star he lacks and he was never going to get it. Facility wise its been the same since the leagues inception so they wouldn't know any better. No excuse.

Wrong and wrong.

He has less money to spend than other teams and the fact that he has procured so much depth is testament to his nouse, but it is in no way a brilliant squad. It is no coincidence that the season we spent our cap and had a marquee we won the premiership.

And no, we have had not the same training facilities from inception. The team has had to endure a number of training facilities with poor amentities and poor playing surfaces. The massive restriction on Bluetongue lately would not have hurt either.

If you see the facilities that clubs like Newcastle (Newcastle University), Sydney (Macquarie University) and Melbourne (Olympic Park and nearby centre) you would be seriously embarassed for our players and club.

Lawrie may have had a jump on teams early because coaches had little knowledge of players like travis and mcglinchey but in the end quality wins out and throwing our players all over the coast on any available oval does very little to assist training and actually hampers preparation as the season goes on.

I didn't say we had the same training facilities since inception, i said it has been the same situation since inception (or at least thats what i meant).

The year we won the premiership was by default. We certainly didn't "win it" we recieved it because no-one else was good enough to take it from us.

I think it was 11 or 12 points from 21 that got us to equal points at the front. In what universe is that a decent finish to a championship season? We should have had it wrapped up 3 weeks out.

But as has happened in all of our seasons we fall off the planet when we look as though we could go on with it.

The fact that it also happened the season we spent the cap and had a marquee speaks volumes of LM's ability as a coach.

 

[bikinigirl]

However, an overseas experienced coach could achieve much more with the board allowing for full salary cap and Marquee.

. all indications are that lawrie has rarely (if ever) had this opportunity so hardly a fair comparison ... just sayin'

 

[Jazzie]

I think Lawrie's main fault has been his loyalty to certain players but as a coach he has done pretty well and given us some fantastic results this season.
Some things have been beyond his control....the terrible form of D-Mac and Disco. The injuries to Doig have hurt us badly.
There are many positives going into next year.  The return to form of Wilko and Vukovic.
The discovery of excellent talent like WeeMac and Travis.
Our starting back four is excellent but we had no specialist cover should any of them get injured.
CCM have tried to do it on the cheap again BUT many players are in their last year so this season we have been in a holding pattern as we couln't afford to pay out anybodies contracts.

I don't really blame LM.


If Lawrie doesn't clear himself of the deadwood they will drag him under.

I agree, over the years Lawrie has been fantastic for the club and did the job he was required to do, however as coach, it is time for him to go, whatever happens in the remaining games. We need someone with new eyes with no player allegiances to access the squad on ability and performance. The board must also accept part of the blame for not keeping their eyes on the ball. What's the point of having a centre of excellence when you have a sub standard team? I don't think the fans will have the patience to wait until the cream (maybe) rises to the top.

 

[FFC Mariner]

The fact that it also happened the season we spent the cap and had a marquee speaks volumes of LM's ability as a coach.

Do you mean that if you give someone the tools and resources to do their job properly they do well?

 

[scottmac]

The fact that it also happened the season we spent the cap and had a marquee speaks volumes of LM's ability as a coach.

Do you mean that if you give someone the tools and resources to do their job properly they do well?

You would think that....................... in any other job!

 

[jaypee]

The fact that it also happened the season we spent the cap and had a marquee speaks volumes of LM's ability as a coach.

Do you mean that if you give someone the tools and resources to do their job properly they do well?

Its normally how it goes...

Its a circular discussionthis is - Those that call for his head eventually agree that he doesn't have the troops to win it but they want a new coach..... hmmm whats that coach going to do without the board spending money???

The season we won it we spent, we had a marquee and we had lots of people at games.... its not a coincidence.....

 

[scottmac]

The fact that it also happened the season we spent the cap and had a marquee speaks volumes of LM's ability as a coach.

Do you mean that if you give someone the tools and resources to do their job properly they do well?

Its normally how it goes...

Its a circular discussionthis is - Those that call for his head eventually agree that he doesn't have the troops to win it but they want a new coach..... hmmm whats that coach going to do without the board spending money???

The season we won it we spent, we had a marquee and we had lots of people at games.... its not a coincidence.....

But we still performed poorly at the end of the season. We only won it cause all the other teams choked when it mattered. QLD, Sydney both had their chance to win it. QLD most definitely should have.

The end of season drop offs should not be attributed to lack of resources or below quality rosters.The performances during the start and middle of the season are done with exactly the same resources.
It is a coaching problem. Its easy to see when it happens every year, even the year that we had a marquee and a spent cap. We should be ramping up this time of year but instead the Mariners always drop off.wouldn't you rather not win the first 5 games than lose the 5 which puts us out of the title race.

Something needs to change. Either Lawrie needs a new/another assistant, or he needs to be replaced.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Actually, I think its a mental issue more than a coaching issue.

We choke if we are perceived as doing well, thats some sort of inferiority complex or something (not my field). We need an arrogance/mongrel that we seem not to have.

 

[Jaza_SFC]

The year we won the premiership was by default. We certainly didn't "win it" we recieved it because no-one else was good enough to take it from us.

That's a fairly stupid and one-sided way of looking at things.

The side with the most points wins. From memory, CCM were miles ahead of the otehr sides in the comp for the first 2/3 of the season. Having a poorer final 1/3 of the year doesn't take away from the whole.

If the stuff about not being able to spend the cap is true, it's hard to judge McKinna. The least he can spend on players is $1.912mill. Compare that to total allowed payments of $2.650mill. That's a massive difference.

 

[jaypee]

The fact that it also happened the season we spent the cap and had a marquee speaks volumes of LM's ability as a coach.

Do you mean that if you give someone the tools and resources to do their job properly they do well?

Its normally how it goes...

Its a circular discussionthis is - Those that call for his head eventually agree that he doesn't have the troops to win it but they want a new coach..... hmmm whats that coach going to do without the board spending money???

The season we won it we spent, we had a marquee and we had lots of people at games.... its not a coincidence.....

But we still performed poorly at the end of the season. We only won it cause all the other teams choked when it mattered. QLD, Sydney both had their chance to win it. QLD most definitely should have.

The end of season drop offs should not be attributed to lack of resources or below quality rosters.The performances during the start and middle of the season are done with exactly the same resources.
It is a coaching problem. Its easy to see when it happens every year, even the year that we had a marquee and a spent cap. We should be ramping up this time of year but instead the Mariners always drop off.wouldn't you rather not win the first 5 games than lose the 5 which puts us out of the title race.

Something needs to change. Either Lawrie needs a new/another assistant, or he needs to be replaced.

Disagree with Last years assesment - Still think we could have won it if we had Jedi.... and to be honest all wearereally short on again this year is a Jedi style player and a target forward.

Imagine Weemack and Travis and Jedi in the mids with a target forward up front..... ahhh we can dream can't we

 

[Arabmariner]

Actually, I think its a mental issue more than a coaching issue.

We choke if we are perceived as doing well, thats some sort of inferiority complex or something (not my field). We need an arrogance/mongrel that we seem not to have.

Dump the no dickheads policy (if there is one)........