New stadium for Mariners?

[Gav...]

awesome

 

[Razorback]

The new stadium will only happen if we get the World Cup. It is a waste of money otherwise and not needed on the coast. Bluetongue does the job and its all we really need as a football team anyway...it's not like we sell out games ayway

 

[Jesus]

The stadium was bulit poorly to begin with, it is now ten years old and there is no proper space for expansion. Given all the proper above said facilities needed for a modern stadium, a new one would be economically viable. However, no world cup, no new stadium.
Isn't also some world cup stipulation that a stadium needs to be within one hour of an international airport?

Oh goody, a high speed train too!  

If the 2nd sydney airport goes to williamtown as expected, a high speed rail link is a certainty.

The NSW govt will be willing to throw money at a stadium to have the additional benefits of more games in nsw. Since apparently only 1 stadium per city is eligable?

Would entierly depend on WC for stadium funding i would think though.

Looking forward to yellow  and navy seats if this does go through

 

[greenpoint]

The NSW govt will be willing to throw money at a stadium to have the additional benefits of more games in nsw. Since apparently only 1 stadium per city is eligable?

Let's hope Gosford and Wyong are defined as separate cities then!

 

[Ted]

The NSW govt will be willing to throw money at a stadium to have the additional benefits of more games in nsw. Since apparently only 1 stadium per city is eligable?

Let's hope Gosford and Wyong are defined as separate cities then!

Gosford is a city, Wyong is still a shire as far as I'm aware. But either way both are seperate from each other hence the 2 councils.

 

[dibo]

The NSW govt will be willing to throw money at a stadium to have the additional benefits of more games in nsw. Since apparently only 1 stadium per city is eligable?

Let's hope Gosford and Wyong are defined as separate cities then!

Gosford is a city, Wyong is still a shire as far as I'm aware. But either way both are seperate from each other hence the 2 councils.

merger is on the way

 

[~Floss~]

A fit merger?

 

[BiggusMickus]

A fit merger?

Now we know it's all a dream!

 

[dibo]

A fit merger?

Now we know it's all a dream!

it took me til now to get that...  :-[

 

[FFC Mariner]

LOL at high speed rail.

300k's through Brisbane Water National Park??? That right angle corner in the middle???

I think not

 

[Jesus]

LOL at high speed rail.

300k's through Brisbane Water National Park??? That right angle corner in the middle???

I think not

It is the only way to have the 2nd airport at newy, Otherwise must be in sydney.
They can go whatever way they want, no need for corners. There will be plenty of money thrown at it

 

[Bex]

Yeh, they're real good at tunnels now. They worked out how you screw them up on the Lane Cove debacle.

 

[dibo]

we're talking about something worth billions in long term economic benefits - faster, more frequent and more reliable train services, increased passenger capacity as well as increased freight capacity (thanks to the vacating of the existing main northern line) and additional flight capacity into NSW.

the big thing would be the on-flow benefits to the central coast - a major centre with fast rail in both directions gives increased incentive to set up business on the central coast. more workers can access the coast and commute *to* rather than just from the region.

 

[dru]

Yeh, they're real good at tunnels now. They worked out how you screw them up on the Lane Cove debacle.

Who exactley is the "they" your talking about bex?

 

[FFC Mariner]

OK, convince the Greens that we are gonna rip up huge tracts of the BWNP and/or fund a tunnel in the middle of a global credit crunch.

Never, ever happen.

 

[T]

Yeh, they're real good at tunnels now. They worked out how you screw them up on the Lane Cove debacle.

I hope its not the same ppl who are building the Macquarie train line!!!

 

[dibo]

OK, convince the Greens that we are gonna rip up huge tracts of the BWNP and/or fund a tunnel in the middle of a global credit crunch.

Never, ever happen.

Deal with the Greens through the considered use of either/or arguments:
Either we expand Newcastle Airport or we keep sending ever more planes over your renovated terrace in St Peters.
Either we build a new fast rail line or we expand the F3

Deal with the financing issue in one of two ways

First option is to do what Governments can do more easily than anybody else and more cheaply debt finance it. The level of net government debt across the country is tiny, and our governments have excellent credit ratings. International finance markets know our governments are good for the cash.

The other option is get Macquarie Bank or Babcock and Brown to do it. Theres a bunch of superannuation money out there looking for solid places to go, and a sensibly designed, priced and operated fast rail line to Newcastle (and another to Canberra, while were talking) is about as solid as it comes in the area of infrastructure investment.

Whichever way its financed, there are strong returns to be had. Sydney Airport is basically at capacity and theres additional demand hanging over if the Newcastle Airports done up it will ease the capacity burden. Thats part of the justification for the line.

The other is that there are acres of excellent land right near the existing rail corridor between Lisarow and Morriset that could support major investment and development to create essentially a new economic centre.

A fast rail link to the ports and manufacturing of Newcastle and the services and financial might of Sydney would be just the recipe for a boom in the mould of goldrushes and such.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

The downside to a fast train system is that you're just going to be putting more and more people onto the coast, when we don't really have the infrastructure to support it

 

[dibo]

The downside to a fast train system is that you're just going to be putting more and more people onto the coast, when we don't really have the infrastructure to support it

The fast train is *part of* the infrastructure to support it. The existing rail line is in itself inadequate.

For roads, hospitals, schools and the rest - you don't do the line without basically taking an infrastructure audit of the region to assess what needs expanding and to what degree.

The main thing that the coast needs and doesnt have is jobs. A fast rail line opens the way for business investment creating thousands more jobs.

 

[FFC Mariner]

The other option is get Macquarie Bank or Babcock and Brown to do it. Theres a bunch of superannuation money out there looking for solid places to go, and a sensibly designed, priced and operated fast rail line to Newcastle (and another to Canberra, while were talking) is about as solid as it comes in the area of infrastructure investment

Oh goody, another listed infrastructure fund to drain away peoples super money.

For the life of me I dont know why governments cant issue infrastructure bonds to raise the capital for this kind of investment?? solid credit rating, major institutions can invest in the nation and everyone wins.

Then again, I am a Keynsian