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Definitely the truth. Could have had a 5 win streak bar some poor red cards and better finishing.
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Mulvey's gotta...go?
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Wombat
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Agree FP.
I fear Charlesworth is stalling on a better keeper but i hope to god i'm wrong.
I noticed and reported a change in training maybe 6 weeks ago. I think you nailed it when you said Mulvey underestimated the task. He was obviously put on notice and rather than let RJ take the sessions, Mulvey started to coach more. Rather than let Monty do the fitness they brought the Scottish bloke in.
Both changes were positive.
When i watched Moss coach i was totally despondant................he gave clueless a bad name............Mulvey has never been like that but the original training was too soft. Now he is coaching for his career and we have all seen the difference in the last 5 games.
Mulvey is a good coach and Monty, while green is a top man too.
I fear Charlesworth is stalling on a better keeper but i hope to god i'm wrong.
I noticed and reported a change in training maybe 6 weeks ago. I think you nailed it when you said Mulvey underestimated the task. He was obviously put on notice and rather than let RJ take the sessions, Mulvey started to coach more. Rather than let Monty do the fitness they brought the Scottish bloke in.
Both changes were positive.
When i watched Moss coach i was totally despondant................he gave clueless a bad name............Mulvey has never been like that but the original training was too soft. Now he is coaching for his career and we have all seen the difference in the last 5 games.
Mulvey is a good coach and Monty, while green is a top man too.
Forum Phoenix
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Nice positive intel. Cheers Wombat
Capn Gus Bloodbeard
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Even though the Jets game was an abomination upon football (I don't think either set of fans benefited from that display), I haven't felt the urge to yell at Mulvey for a few rounds. Because yeah, it looks like we are starting to pull it together, but it's injuries and individual performances killing us. Tactically things seem to be better, and we're seeing changes in approaches as needed.
Instead, it's looking like our season was destroyed before it even started. No fitness coach at the start and we're still paying for it - that should not have been allowed to happen. MM admitted he underestimated his task. I mean, our First XI didn't play together until the actual season started. Although not taking preseason seriously hasn't been unique to MM....
Soo....I still think MM does have to shoulder the responsibility for where we are. I feel like our season preparation could not have been worse - and Bolt was only a part of that.
But......if he appears to be finally taking on board those lessons and improving, then that's probably enough to give him a shot at a 2nd season. We do want some stability in coaching - although competence, of course, takes priority.
It's really going to come down to the ladder position and if he looks like some growth.
What the next few seasons comes down to is - can MM make this a team that players are happy to play for?
Because apparently the feedback is that players don't want to play for us - that's not just going to be experienced players, but even the up-and-comers. If that's the perception, that means young players would choose a bench spot for anybody else over a starting spot with us (making an assumption here). How do we change that?
It also means that we're needing to pay massively above market rates for players - which we all presume we've had to do this season, given how our squad looks on paper. How do we get back to a point where we are competing at or around market rates for a player?
IMO, 2 things need to change:
1) Nobody enjoys losing. Nobody enjoys playing for a club people are laughing at, nobody wants the spoon. That will affect decisions. We need to get off the bottom of the table. Arbitrarily, I'd say we need to aim for 8th at a minimum. 7th would really start to change things.
2) We used to be a club where every player would be a much better player after having spent some time with us. Young and inexperienced players would know that the time with our club would help their career. We need to get that back.
3) See point 2.
4) See point 3. Seriously, that approach has been one of the core values of the club. This needs to come back.
And in the past, even when we have recruited players past their prime, we've known that's exactly where they were and were shrewd about what their role is. Now, we're expecting those players to carry the team week after week - and have for the last few season. That doesn't work.
So we need to get better at recruiting, much better. But we may need to make the club more desirable first.
I'm starting to believe MM can turn around Point 1. But what about 2 and 4? Here's hoping.
We know that the recruitment this season hasn't been shrewd. But, like the season preparation, that would have been affected by MM not really understanding what the job this season was. Ross McCormack was a poor decision - he was never going to fit into this team's structure and plan (although playing him out of position still worries me about MM). The idea of bringing back the old guard to 'bring back the mongrel'. Pipe dream.
Look, I'm actually happy with Matty. I wish he was a bit more clinical, no doubt, but I think he's fulfilling his role as working hard for 90 minutes. But 'bring back the mungrel' isn't a recruitment strategy - and it's a cheap way to attempt to restore our old club values. How do we restore the more systematic values affecting the team?
Instead, it's looking like our season was destroyed before it even started. No fitness coach at the start and we're still paying for it - that should not have been allowed to happen. MM admitted he underestimated his task. I mean, our First XI didn't play together until the actual season started. Although not taking preseason seriously hasn't been unique to MM....
Soo....I still think MM does have to shoulder the responsibility for where we are. I feel like our season preparation could not have been worse - and Bolt was only a part of that.
But......if he appears to be finally taking on board those lessons and improving, then that's probably enough to give him a shot at a 2nd season. We do want some stability in coaching - although competence, of course, takes priority.
It's really going to come down to the ladder position and if he looks like some growth.
What the next few seasons comes down to is - can MM make this a team that players are happy to play for?
Because apparently the feedback is that players don't want to play for us - that's not just going to be experienced players, but even the up-and-comers. If that's the perception, that means young players would choose a bench spot for anybody else over a starting spot with us (making an assumption here). How do we change that?
It also means that we're needing to pay massively above market rates for players - which we all presume we've had to do this season, given how our squad looks on paper. How do we get back to a point where we are competing at or around market rates for a player?
IMO, 2 things need to change:
1) Nobody enjoys losing. Nobody enjoys playing for a club people are laughing at, nobody wants the spoon. That will affect decisions. We need to get off the bottom of the table. Arbitrarily, I'd say we need to aim for 8th at a minimum. 7th would really start to change things.
2) We used to be a club where every player would be a much better player after having spent some time with us. Young and inexperienced players would know that the time with our club would help their career. We need to get that back.
3) See point 2.
4) See point 3. Seriously, that approach has been one of the core values of the club. This needs to come back.
And in the past, even when we have recruited players past their prime, we've known that's exactly where they were and were shrewd about what their role is. Now, we're expecting those players to carry the team week after week - and have for the last few season. That doesn't work.
So we need to get better at recruiting, much better. But we may need to make the club more desirable first.
I'm starting to believe MM can turn around Point 1. But what about 2 and 4? Here's hoping.
We know that the recruitment this season hasn't been shrewd. But, like the season preparation, that would have been affected by MM not really understanding what the job this season was. Ross McCormack was a poor decision - he was never going to fit into this team's structure and plan (although playing him out of position still worries me about MM). The idea of bringing back the old guard to 'bring back the mongrel'. Pipe dream.
Look, I'm actually happy with Matty. I wish he was a bit more clinical, no doubt, but I think he's fulfilling his role as working hard for 90 minutes. But 'bring back the mungrel' isn't a recruitment strategy - and it's a cheap way to attempt to restore our old club values. How do we restore the more systematic values affecting the team?
greenlig
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Yeah, shocking turnaround in about 12 hours!That poll has balanced remarkably
tim...
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I'm just glad you enabled "change your vote"
Insertnamehere
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Needs an on the fence vote. I was on the fence till the new years game then I voted sack. Now I'm not so sure again.
Antlion
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I changed my vote a couple of weeks ago.
Not so much that I am convinced Mulvey is our best option, but with the improvements we're seeing he deserves time and will hopefully mskemus competitive again.
Also my gut says if we punted him now we would run the risk of actually going even further backwards
Not so much that I am convinced Mulvey is our best option, but with the improvements we're seeing he deserves time and will hopefully mskemus competitive again.
Also my gut says if we punted him now we would run the risk of actually going even further backwards
FFC Mariner
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If he keeps playing Hoole and McGlinchey over Nisbo and Kekeris he can go
Insertnamehere
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We're defs the best of the 4 spoon contenders on current game play. Just short on execution basically.
Ancient Mariner
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It is not only the performances, the selections have played a major role in reconsideration.
I am still on the fence... for me his substitute selections are mind boggling at times and not to mention a blind man can see when we are about to concede a goal in the second half of games from the team fautiguing yet subs are held off and given minimum time for impact imo!
Forum Phoenix
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I think this is fair. Hoole's goal should not fool him. He needs to invest in these young players and Nisbet is already a much smarter/better footballer than Hoole.
Capn Gus Bloodbeard
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He needs to recontract Nisbet. Everyone can see that he has tremendous potential.
On a side note, some other sports will simply refuse to promote young players based on height alone. It's good to see that in football, while height is a benefit if the rest of your game makes up for it then you'll still get promoted.
And heck, at least knowing he's not going to win headers means he doesn't have to get up in the air so can respond another way - hang back a moment and try to intercept after the header, that sort of thing.
His close ball control is phenomenal, and he has vision as well. He could become a very dangerous AM. I really hope he scores this season, though his role in the team isn't going to be a goalscorer.
Some of the tactics in that game concern me.
I commented in the match thread about Kennedy being expected to mark strikers at corners which is the only reason Isaias scored. I really want to know how that utter tactical failure came about because that was the approach all game - which makes me feel like that one points back to Mulvey. If it was every corner, then I can't think of any reason for it to happen other than MM (or possibly Simon) saying 'no, Kennedy can have the player, go stand elsewhere' - or at the very least, neither of them corrected it.
IMO, that defensive decision is the reason we lost the game - and it's something that every single team playing out there in grassroots games knows not to do.
At least we have a man on the back post now....
But Hoole has to go. Having Hoole on the park was like playing 10 v 12. He broke down a few attacks in the first 10 minutes.
FFC Mariner
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In another group chat we counted 8 unforced errors by Hoole in the first half alone.
NBN league beckons
NBN league beckons
BrisRecky
I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
8 unforced errors you say...f**k me he is improving
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