Mariners V MV Rd 9 - NSO match

[Ancient Mariner]

And yet you are quite happy to follow MC leading your 3rd club into oblivion, well unless you count North Sydney Mariners or whatever the license becomes as the same club.

I thought I stated why the Mariners will not move to North Sydney. Maybe you should read my post again.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

I'm not losing my club.

You will unless it can be made financially more viable by increased members and/or sponsorship, or unless a new owner can be found with very deep pockets to spend the money to ensure success.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Anyway I have had my say, you can carry on blaming the guy who has forked out $6m to keep the club going. And who is, of course, determined to send it into oblivion in order that he loses his investment.

I don't know why I cannot see this.

 

[true believer]

Anyway I have had my say, you can carry on blaming the guy who has forked out $6m to keep the club going. And who is, of course, determined to send it into oblivion in order that he loses his investment.

I don't know why I cannot see this.

the guy reputedly that has put 6 million into the mariners . does not look like a saviour .
rather an opportunist . he's not carrying the support of what ? 6000 members .
really that to me means . his motives aren't the love of football . but the love of a bottom line

 

[Bladesman]

Anyway I have had my say, you can carry on blaming the guy who has forked out $6m to keep the club going. And who is, of course, determined to send it into oblivion in order that he loses his investment.

I don't know why I cannot see this.

Maybe because you have not had the experience of the McCabe inspired property and outside football revenue stream financial models. Mariners have served their purpose in getting support, development fast track, govt funding for the property development on the coast. Repeating the same in the Sydney real estate market would be worth a lot more!

 

[BrisRecky]

What about all the kids in the local clubs?

I meant players going to shopping areas, like they did recently in nth Syd, and papering the place

 

[Bladesman]

Just tweeted by yellow army -

@ccyellowarmy: On behalf of the leadership group we would like to make a statement about Fridays game.
We, like most fans, are... http://t.co/hJTjau0ld8

Very balanced view for those of us on either side of the fence.

 

[gull]

Anyway I have had my say, you can carry on blaming the guy who has forked out $6m to keep the club going. And who is, of course, determined to send it into oblivion in order that he loses his investment.

I don't know why I cannot see this.

Businessmen don't put this kind of money into anything out of a desire to be the saviour that you see him as. He has financial return in mind through the COE. Please stop pretending anything otherwise.

He was also the person who pushed for longer A League licences for the owners, and got what he wanted. There is also a reason behind that push.

It's not difficult to put it all together to get a feel for where he is going too.

 

[BrisRecky]

Just tweeted by yellow army -

@ccyellowarmy: On behalf of the leadership group we would like to make a statement about Fridays game.
We, like most fans, are... http://t.co/hJTjau0ld8

Very balanced view for those of us on either side of the fence.

Well said Y.A

 

[nebakke]

Droll...

So where do we then cross the line from being "bloody selfish, precious, and are weak supporters" and to being justifiably angry? Is there such a line? Or should we tow the line at all times?

At the end of the day, I'm not judging you or AM for wanting to go to NSO, all I'm asking is much the same respect in return...

 

[nebakke]

We keep coming back to this thing about them never leaving the coast... It seems to continuously be ignored that the team could easily still train at Tuggerah and play at NSO for example... Indeed they will be this Friday... For MC it's not an either or, he can move the gameday experience without having to leave the investment in the COE behind, without it necessarily being at much of a cost in that sense.
So if we were to assume that he's decided that we're all 'piss-weak', there's nothing stopping him from going elsewhere, assuming that 'elsewhere' isn't somewhere like South Melbourne.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Droll...

So where do we then cross the line from being "bloody selfish, precious, and are weak supporters" and to being justifiably angry? Is there such a line? Or should we tow the line at all times?

At the end of the day, I'm not judging you or AM for wanting to go to NSO, all I'm asking is much the same respect in return...

I do not want the Mariners to move to North Sydney.

I have never said that I want the mariners to go to North Sydney.

I have said NSO is unsuitable for more than the odd A-League game.

I have never shown any disrespect to any poster named nebake.

Unlike nebake who told me to P**S off and then puts untrue words in my mouth.

Be careful sunshine or I will show you the same respect.

 

[nebakke]

I do not want the Mariners to move to North Sydney.

I have never said that I want the mariners to go to North Sydney.
.

Apologies, I could have worded that clearer... I would have judged you if you actually wanted the team to move, that is not what I meant... What I meant was, I don't judge you for wanting to go and watch the team at NSO on Friday...

I have never shown any disrespect to any poster named nebake.

Unlike nebake who told me to P**S off and then puts untrue words in my mouth.

Be careful sunshine or I will show you the same respect.

You've been there, done that - already... That was the whole reason for my initial outburst...

Just to remind you, this is what you wrote in your previous message:
"As for the 80% local support being risked by this all I can say is that if they are, they are being bloody selfish, precious, and are weak supporters. They are responsible for their own actions and can blame no one but themselves if their withholding of support damages the club."

You think that's a nice and respectful way to refer to your fellow fans, do you?
I AM one of the local supporters who will not be going on Friday because I don't feel that it is in the interest of the club or the team. For that, you're calling me and those of my ilk, 'selfish, precious and weak supporters' how is that not disrespectful?

 

[Capt. Awesome]

You will unless it can be made financially more viable by increased members and/or sponsorship, or unless a new owner can be found with very deep pockets to spend the money to ensure success.

The main problem I have with it is its a really bad idea that won't work. The North shore people don't want a team called the Central Coast Mariners and moving games kills off the support they already had.

With proper community engagement the catchment if 300,000 people is plenty big enough to support the club.

If done right the club can succeed.

 

[Wombat]

Maybe because you have not had the experience of the McCabe inspired property and outside football revenue stream financial models. Mariners have served their purpose in getting support, development fast track, govt funding for the property development on the coast. Repeating the same in the Sydney real estate market would be worth a lot more!

Hits the nail on the head.

 

[Wombat]

Keep up the good work guys.

Do whatever it takes to make the North Sydney experiment a failure.

Show the owner of the club that you will not attend games in protest nor renew your memberships.

And, when you are successful and plan A fails, I am certain you will all find plan B much more acceptable.





Won't you..........................?

Sorry AM....you make some good points but I can't just bend over and let a shady character like Charlesworth bend me and the collective CCM support over and give me the good news.
Potential rapists are not to be trusted or tolerated.

 

[Gratis]

all ccm discussion aside - I really like that. cheers, valuable tool being able to highlight attacking a strawman
please note this is of no relevance to the discussion itself just like the resource

 

[Gratis]

Sorry AM....you make some good points but I can't just bend over and let a shady character like Charlesworth bend me and the collective CCM support over and give me the good news.
Potential rapists are not to be trusted or tolerated.

i expect you'll get varying responses to this - but I had to laugh

 

[Gratis]

The main problem I have with it is its a really bad idea that won't work. The North shore people don't want a team called the Central Coast Mariners and moving games kills off the support they already had.

With proper community engagement the catchment if 300,000 people is plenty big enough to support the club.

If done right the club can succeed.

this is what me thinks also, good summary. the concern is any in roads in north syd will likely be offset by the bad blood created in the home market. this same effort could be put into the central coast catchment - averages were at 13k once already

 

[style_cafe]

Why not just be truthful so that the club gets a good indication for the future.
I won`t be going to North Sydney Oval.
At this stage I have no intention of ever going to NSO or Brookvale to watch a game.
Therefore, from the 6,500 rusted ons there will be 2 less.
In my own sad way I`m not protesting ,I`ll watch the game on TV & the club (through the gate) will be able to get a more accurate result for their experiment,
so I`m actually helping them.