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LFCMariners

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The other thing about turning up and cheering when the team is going crap, is that is rubs it in more to the players if they are not performing. There is more guilt felt if the supporters off the field are doing more than the players on it. Compared to running out to a near-empty stadium with no atmosphere, where the players can be tempted to think "Meh, nobody else here gives a shit, why should we?"
 

Ted

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LiverpoolMariners said:
The other thing about turning up and cheering when the team is going crap, is that is rubs it in more to the players if they are not performing. There is more guilt felt if the supporters off the field are doing more than the players on it. Compared to running out to a near-empty stadium with no atmosphere, where the players can be tempted to think "Meh, nobody else here gives a shit, why should we?"

If a player has that attitude then they shouldn't be a part of the team. Punters pay to support their team of choice, players are paid to be in a team.
 

Kareem

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Ted said:
LiverpoolMariners said:
The other thing about turning up and cheering when the team is going crap, is that is rubs it in more to the players if they are not performing. There is more guilt felt if the supporters off the field are doing more than the players on it. Compared to running out to a near-empty stadium with no atmosphere, where the players can be tempted to think "Meh, nobody else here gives a shit, why should we?"

If a player has that attitude then they shouldn't be a part of the team. Punters pay to support their team of choice, players are paid to be in a team.
:goodpost:
 

FFC Mariner

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Ted said:
LiverpoolMariners said:
The other thing about turning up and cheering when the team is going crap, is that is rubs it in more to the players if they are not performing. There is more guilt felt if the supporters off the field are doing more than the players on it. Compared to running out to a near-empty stadium with no atmosphere, where the players can be tempted to think "Meh, nobody else here gives a shit, why should we?"

If a player has that attitude then they shouldn't be a part of the team. Punters pay to support their team of choice, players are paid to be in a team.

Including those that simply walk off the pitch after people have spent 90 mins busting their arses to support them?

Credit to those players who did come over, a big f**k you to those who are above it.

We had to listen to LM wanking on about support all week but when they got it, they didnt all appreciate it.

The relationship has to go both ways, its very easy to come over when you win (although they had to be made to in Melb after winning 4-0 away).

Not one single player copped any abuse last night that I heard so this week the little primma donnas have no excuse
 

LFCMariners

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I said it CAN be tempting, esp. in the latter stages of a game where a win looks unlikely. I don't care who you are, you can't tell me that havng the crowd right behind you at that point in the game doesn't fire you up that little bit extra than playing in front of a library or to a chorus of jeering and abuse.
 

Wheresdadspants?

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Just wondering how come Nicky Travis didn't play. Heard he had the flu? Seemed pretty healthy to me when I saw him at the beer garden last night, or was it cause he didn't train during the week due to the flu?
 

scottmac

Suspended
marinerheart said:
Razorback said:
Utter Rubbish...Again!

Crowd 6500 says everything really down 5000 from last week. Even some of the die hards of the 8k core group of supporters seem to want to spend their cash elsewhere. Something has to give.
Lawrie needs to go...winless in six now

I really cant see McBreen bringing anything to the team that Macca doesnt do...hopefully a smaller pay packet. It seems like an uninspired signing. On the positive he doesn't seem to have an injury history as long as Doigs or Hukes.

thank you..
someone give this man a medal, he speaks the facts, not the sugar coated version of mariners ay-league football at the moment.

Bwahahahahaha, :vhappy: oh,  :vhappy: oh,  :vhappy: oh, Bwahahahahahahaha, please someone role me over, I'm choking!  :eek:verhead: :eek:verhead: :eek:verhead:
 

scottmac

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Must say, very very impressed with McMrjda. If he backs it up next week we may not be the only ones wanting to sign him for next year. Won't that be dissapointing if he finds his form and walks off to say..........the Heart.

Heff was awesome and its such a shame that we lost him. Think he would have flourished with a season of RM under his belt. Amazing what a NT goal can do and i wonder if the opposite is whats got Matty down at the moment. A few months ago he was looking like an outside chance and to miss out on an A-League based squad must have made the reality sink in for him. Also the heat is a killer for him. If its above 30 you can pretty much count him out of a game. In fact any daylight game should see him on the bench saved up for a final 30 barrage.
 

tyson

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Heff was outstanding against the bling in my opinion. It wasn't just post-national call up...
 

Nik Mrdjas Disco Bikkie

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Heff was fantastic as was Mrdja(!!??). Others were up and down. Though Clark had a great 1st half, although when Kwas came on and had no width at all Clark was left stranded as the only wide player on the left. Biggest dissapointment was central midfield, Hutch was so lazy, could have won plenty of 60/40 balls but couldn't be bothered and Pedj was off key also.
Loved the banner in bay23 before the game, saw Porter give it the thumbs up.
 

FFC Mariner

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The scariest thing about Hutch last night was the Spencer impressions (not Frank but close).

Get ball, stop, turn, pass back.

Stopped any momentum or breakaway.
 

MagpieMariner

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I was disappointed with Matty getting pinged for being too slow getting back onside after a botched Fury clearance in the first half. We won the ball in midfield and banged it straight back in with Matty still strolling back as if the ball was in Brisbane Water.
 

marinermick

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spike said:
I was disappointed with Matty getting pinged for being too slow getting back onside after a botched Fury clearance in the first half. We won the ball in midfield and banged it straight back in with Matty still strolling back as if the ball was in Brisbane Water.

lawrie was furious with this

happened about four times early in the second half (simon and mrdja) and he said the team lost momentum as a result
 

MagpieMariner

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marinermick said:
spike said:
I was disappointed with Matty getting pinged for being too slow getting back onside after a botched Fury clearance in the first half. We won the ball in midfield and banged it straight back in with Matty still strolling back as if the ball was in Brisbane Water.

lawrie was furious with this

happened about four times early in the second half (simon and mrdja) and he said the team lost momentum as a result

Rightly so, hope they both got a big Scottish boot up the quoit. No excuse for that.
 

tyson

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Lawrie gets furious with a lot of these things... which means that they obviously aren't part of his game plan.

So I don't understand why he gets blamed by people on here...
 

MagpieMariner

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I think it's the same in all sports. The players don't play the way they should so the coach goes out the door. In general he should be the last to go in my book.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Re Hutch,

Sometimes takes his DM role too literally.
Remember watching him pull up short when we were on the break looking for the right ball to play ahead and hold position... fine... except there was nearly 20 metres of space in front of him to dribble into and draw a defender and create space for the ball he was looking to play but as it happened could not... so turned and knocked it sideways.

We have to gauge the moments to commit. But our attacking play is still just too slow and too negative in general imo. Which is why I've been riding weemacs performances of late as I think this was his key directive, since NZ when he was played like a DM, he has only ever since looked like a dm. But he is by no means wholly responsible.

First 20 minutes, wingbacks looking to get forward, good width and mids pressing...
We went even... good for another 15 or so... but you could almost sense the fear was alse there again now...

After half time... We looked scared of losing... and Fury who must have got a massive serve came out playing.

Still, one quality half is certainly an improvement - aim to play well for two now and we'll be back. Unfortunately Reds away will not be the easy game we would be hoping for, think they played well against GCU and will be feeling hard done by and fired up for a win.

Should be an interesting game actually.

Can Mrdja continue his form?

Can Matty and Weemac refind there's?

Looking forward to it.

As always.


Tyson, Spike, re Lawrie, COMPLETELY agree. There are many circumstances where you can see the coach is making grave errors and floundering or is just plain no good - and although I also believe Lawrie has proved himself over the years already to a reasonable degree...  My issue is that the bulk of things I can see occurring are not directly coaching attributed, they are player related. There is only so much you can do in this regard as a coach no matter what anyone says. If I saw Lawrie making major blunders I'd have no hesitation in pointing out what I think they are.

Unfortunately whenever I read an anti coach post - 99 times out of a 100, its emotional, generalised and without critical explanation other than... That was total shit, Mckinna has to go, right after we have just lost.

Which is unfortunate, because I can't honestly assess whether they are human I'm in pain and someone has to pay/be blamed posts... or if they have any real merit or insight worth considering.

It's also clouded buy the fact that after a 4 nil humbling of the champions away, you certainly won't read these people saying what coaching brilliance took place. And if they did, even then I'd STILL like to know why they think it was coaching brilliance.

My coaching crit, would be that our midfield often looks too defense oriented, holding shape, but rarely making the runs we need to open defences and or create space for our strikers to work with. But I don't even know that this is due to the coaching and could be the players in those roles not doing their jobs.

And btw Tyson, I thought it was good seeing some Scouse jerseys at the game. If Cantona was playing against us... I'd be bloody tempted an all.

But only tempted ;)
 

Wombat

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Forum P,

Thats a pretty good post but still a bit apologist for my liking.

Regarding Hutch.  Last year he was woeful but still started every game.  This year he was vastly improved and earned a new contract and plenty of good press but last few weeks he has been worse than Weemac (who you have slagged big time while defending far worse performing players).
WeeMac has been poor and I don't think I have rated him more than a 6.  However Hutch was like someone said.... Noel Spencer revisted.
There are better players than Hutcho in the squad...Travis, WeeMac, Crowell and probably the Yoof capt that got 10 mins last week.  Other people cop the rath of the coach but never Hutch no matter how shite he plays.
Our midfield is defence oriented because its poor technically.  If you can't control the ball (Bojic)or have poor first touch (Porter and Heff) you are not going to drive forward easily.  They have poor vision because they are not good readers of the game.  Travis and weemac (and Crowell to a lesser extent) all read the game better and look for the defence splitting pass
It is much easier to play defensive mid....even I can play that position successfully and i'm a born defender.
What I find unforgivable is the lack of movement off the ball and Hutch is probably the worst culprit (along with Clarke).
I have mild doubts about LM but think he is a shrewd judge of a good player....he just doesn't know how to get the best out of them.
Lawrie out-thought Merrick when we beat Victory 2.0 down there but its not working anymore.
However I think its the poor playing roster rather than poor manager thats costing us.
I'm praying Brown brings something to the table.
I tipped us to win this week but was VERY worried when i saw the team sheet...however i'm an optomist and if Lawrie puts out our best side we may get a result in adelaide.
 

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