Mariners Squad - HAL 14 - 2018- 2019 - The challenge for Mike Mulvey is over

[turbo]

But he’s not scoring anywhere near enough goals, he receives balls in great advanced areas but is easily chased down and forced to turn and any chance to counter or attack is broken, he cannot make a yard for himself in or around the box to get off a shot, and a starting striker who hardly ever gets a shot off with his feet is always a concern.

This. Contrast with Krishna, Berisha (of a few years back), ALF, O’Donovan or even someone like Wales - defenders are worried about them getting the ball and making a run at goal by themselves. Simon doesn’t have that. Pain on a quick counter is probably the closest we have to that kind of play.

 

[pjennings]

Drastic times call for drastic action... I suggest a forum 11 present for selection by MM.... my hand goes up for the """6""" TB in goals with wombat on the wings as our hit man or say Roy Kearne type...

PJ up front and captain, Recky as the holding CB ...

Need more suggestions... FFC as the """10""' Forum Phoenix on the other wing from wombat ...

Middy - as a manager you leave a lot to be desired. You think the Mariners have trouble scoring - putting me up front would be a disaster

 

[go you yellow]

He is our best leader though imo.
But we need goals even more.

He may be our best - but I dont think he is good - too much energy is wasted rather than deployed cleverly in motivating the team

 

[finally retired]

Middy - as a manager you leave a lot to be desired. You think the Mariners have trouble scoring - putting me up front would be a disaster

everyone knows pat jennings is/was a goalkeeper...he's the answer to our kennedy woes if only mulvey would take notice.

 

[Pirate Pete]

Our type of player becoming available soon.
Long term injury.
Just about to retire.
Aston Villa defender Micah Richards heading for retirement from football at age of just 30 after struggling to overcome long-term knee issues.
https://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/spor...cah-Richards-heading-retirement-football.html

 

[FFC Mariner]

Expensive too

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Simon is already equal to our golden boot winner last year. Now I’m far from a Simon fan and am not saying his haul so far has been great but it happened through a time we were chasing all the wrong records. If that doesn’t highlight how useless we were in the final third last year I don’t know what does.

With 4 goals he’s equal 15th - tied alongside four midfielders. (And one above Lachie Wales, Pain, and many others)

He’ averaging a goal every 280 minutes of football.

 

[turbo]

He’ averaging a goal every 280 minutes of football.

I totally agree it's not enough and he doesn't provide that ever present threat you want from a senior striker. I was just highlighting how utterly useless we were in front of the goals last year and that being a big part of how things went with Okon. Matt has some positive traits but many of them would be better suited to other roles. IMO while we look to push him on the starting XI we'll keep struggling and scrapping for goals.

It seems unlikely we'll be getting that like for like replacement for Ross now which is unfortunate but I'll wait for the window to close before giving up all hope..

 

[FFC Mariner]

Whats his chance conversion rate? Not unexpected for a side running last to struggle to create chances.
If he was playing at Newcastle last week, we win 3-1

 

[priorpeter]

Whats his chance conversion rate? Not unexpected for a side running last to struggle to create chances.
If he was playing at Newcastle last week, we win 3-1

Simmo’s shot conversion rate this season is 19%.

By way of comparison: Taggart is on 16%.
ALF is 21%.
Krishna 29%
Toivonen 32%.

Simmo has laid off/created 17 shot assists, assisting 2 goals and has won 48% of his duels.
Taggart has made 5 shot assists, assisting 1 goal and won 38% of duels.
ALF has made 15 shot assists, assisting 1 goal and winning 35% of duels.
Krishna 15 shot assists, 2 goal assists, winning 40% of duels.
Toivonen 11 shot assists, 3 goal assists and wins 51% of duels.

 

[Scotty]

Our type of player becoming available soon.
Long term injury.
Just about to retire.
Aston Villa defender Micah Richards heading for retirement from football at age of just 30 after struggling to overcome long-term knee issues.
https://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/spor...cah-Richards-heading-retirement-football.html

Sign him up!

 

[Insertnamehere]

Simmo’s shot conversion rate this season is 19%.

By way of comparison: Taggart is on 16%.
ALF is 21%.
Krishna 29%
Toivonen 32%.

Simmo has laid off/created 17 shot assists, assisting 2 goals and has won 48% of his duels.
Taggart has made 5 shot assists, assisting 1 goal and won 38% of duels.
ALF has made 15 shot assists, assisting 1 goal and winning 35% of duels.
Krishna 15 shot assists, 2 goal assists, winning 40% of duels.
Toivonen 11 shot assists, 3 goal assists and wins 51% of duels.

Stats that matter

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Stats that matter

Would you swap Matty for those other strikers? And would you bet they’d have scored more goals and won us more games?

I like Matty. Not interested in shitting on him. But we need a 12 plus goals a season striker at the least to be leading us. And for a striker, the goal stats matter most. By a big margin.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

As to his high shot conversion rate. At 4 goals that 19% is because he’s managed only a small amount of shots and highlights the point. Krishnas is so high because of his runs and how he can create opportunities for himself often one on one. Watch tovoinen also. Great player. Exactly what we need. Anyone can see Matty is struggling to get himself into scoring positions compared to most of the leagues other strikers. And that means he’s not going to score enough goals, regardless of his others pluses.

He has several other attributes I value, but it’s undeniable that we need a better return from our staring striker imo.

 

[nebakke]

Would you swap Matty for those other strikers? And would you bet they’d have scored more goals and won us more games?

I like Matty. Not interested in shitting on him. But we need a 12 plus goals a season striker at the least to be leading us. And for a striker, the goal stats matter most. By a big margin.

Given the way we're playing Matty, I'm not sure I'd particularly take any of those players for him tbh... That's not to say I think he's better than them or anything, just that I think their roles are a lot more direct and traditional attacker than Matty's has been this season.
Bearing that in mind I actually think Matty's doing a more than decent job for us, his role seems to be much more distribution-focused than being about shots on goal - not really a #10 but more in that family a lot of the time, with Murray, Pain and sometimes Miller being more about running at the goal (acknowledging that Matty does do that too)

 

[turbo]

Given the way we're playing Matty, I'm not sure I'd particularly take any of those players for him tbh... That's not to say I think he's better than them or anything, just that I think their roles are a lot more direct and traditional attacker than Matty's has been this season.

It feels like that's more a case of working with what you've got rather than asking him not to run at the goal. For the most part I don't think most defenders want Pain or Millar running at them but Simon isnt as much of a concern. It would be good if we could get Murray more involved down the middle because we rarely see the kind of run someone like ALF makes regularly to make a chance on his own.

 

[nebakke]

It feels like that's more a case of working with what you've got rather than asking him not to run at the goal. For the most part I don't think most defenders want Pain or Millar running at them but Simon isnt as much of a concern. It would be good if we could get Murray more involved down the middle because we rarely see the kind of run someone like ALF makes regularly to make a chance on his own.

While I think you're right, I don't think you're right the way you think you are (This feels a bit Princess Bride-y)... I don't think Matty plays that role because of some sense of needing him on the pitch and making the game fit him... I think he plays that role because we need someone to play that role with the players that we currently have available. I reckon his goal-scoring stats would be higher if he had an actual competent distributor behind him, but he doesn't, so he becomes it... In no small way because we all know that Hoole in that role, just takes to ball and runs towards the sidelines and the role isn't the strength of Millar, Pain or Murray, so it lands with Mattym whose stats suffer a bit in return.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Sadly, Murray is proving a disappointment as a goal scorer. That heaps all the pressure on Simon.
Poor recruitment by CCM to sign Gamierio who is a known sick note

 

[turbo]

I don't think Matty plays that role because of some sense of needing him on the pitch and making the game fit him... I think he plays that role because we need someone to play that role with the players that we currently have available

That's fair enough and a pretty significant issue - perhaps Jem coming in might assist with that or allow some flexibility to shuffle players around. But IMO the moment they announced Simon as captain it felt like he was going to be shoehorned in to the starting XI no matter what so there is an element of making it fit him. We even saw a bit of that with Ross and I can't help but wonder if the insistence of playing Simon hindered us finding a strategy to get the most out of Ross.

Murray is proving a disappointment as a goal scorer. That heaps all the pressure on Simon.

One is in his first season of the A league and the other is an experienced title winning player, the pressure should be on Simon. If anything Simon not being more of a threat is putting more pressure on others to find goals. Also I'm not sure we're giving Murray the service he's expecting, there's been occasions of back post runs where the pass doesn't come and sometimes the through ball when he does get it pushes him out wide. That said he should have picked up a couple more especially against Newcastle but that was also really unlucky. I guess I'm more willing to cut a new and cheaper player a bit more slack than an experienced one.

 

[ashman89]

Golec mutually terminated. I did not see that coming lol hahahaha heading to another aleague club as per NBN reports.