Mariners Squad - HAL 12 - 2016 - 2017

[Rowdy]

If he refuses, we must honour his contract...
We can bench him...and that's it.

Yes, forgot to add this mid rant.

So I'd absolutely start him - at the CM role alongside Monty, in the old Hutch role - control the ball, restart the play.

This is exactly where Okon/ now Talay is deploying him in the Young Socceroos - 1 of 2 DM's in a 4231, rotating with the other DM from left to right as needed in defence and again playing out, then changing the shape to a single DM role as they are attacking with the other DM pushing forward.

This is where I'm kinda thinking that I don't really get why we have Tavares, unless he can play CB?

Exactly my thoughts when we signed him!

With this current scenario of Junior reportedly looking to leave, the extra ca$h were paying Tav (which is probably more than what most of think he's getting) will only compound the ca$h we'll lose in:

a) not playing Junior- failing to devolop him to look to trade him for financial advantage.

b) if we do play him & he doesn't commit to a new deal and then ultimately goes on a free - the loss is compounded by knowing that every game Juniour played & Tav didn't was a 'waste of ca$h' being paid to Tav.

Ultimately a 'damned if you do or don't' situation with Junior when you factor Tavares' wage into the equation.

A hangover of the Walmsley era that in hindsight - Junior should have had a new deal offered to him midway last season, as he was getting regular game time - if he knocked it back then, then he should've been benched as a result.

If you don't want to play tommorrow, you don't get to play today.

 

[Rowdy]

Obviously you don't base your tactics off advertising - but you might do the inverse

Yes ..... BUT is he taking it off or is he putting it on ?

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Faty and Tavares were a package deal weren't they? We signed Faty first and it seemed Faty only wanted to be here if his cousin could come along too. Puts us in a very difficult situation going forward if one of them isn't getting game time.

 

[scottmac]

Anyone keen on getting judas back?

 

[sydmariner]

Anyone keen on getting judas back?

F**K NO!!!!

 

[Forum Phoenix]

No.

 

[dibo]

You had already posted. You didn't need to post again.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

There's a rumour kicking about that Nathan Burns is joining Adelaide. Could be our number 10 solution if we have the dosh?

 

[Gratis]

Yes, forgot to add this mid rant.

This is exactly where Okon/ now Talay is deploying him in the Young Socceroos - 1 of 2 DM's in a 4231, rotating with the other DM from left to right as needed in defence and again playing out, then changing the shape to a single DM role as they are attacking with the other DM pushing forward.

Exactly my thoughts when we signed him!

With this current scenario of Junior reportedly looking to leave, the extra ca$h were paying Tav (which is probably more than what most of think he's getting) will only compound the ca$h we'll lose in:

a) not playing Junior- failing to devolop him to look to trade him for financial advantage.

b) if we do play him & he doesn't commit to a new deal and then ultimately goes on a free - the loss is compounded by knowing that every game Juniour played & Tav didn't was a 'waste of ca$h' being paid to Tav.

Ultimately a 'damned if you do or don't' situation with Junior when you factor Tavares' wage into the equation.

A hangover of the Walmsley era that in hindsight - Junior should have had a new deal offered to him midway last season, as he was getting regular game time - if he knocked it back then, then he should've been benched as a result.

If you don't want to play tommorrow, you don't get to play today.

If there's one thing I hate it's having three decent players to cover two positions. Especially the DM position which is prone to suspensions and occasional injuries

 

[pjennings]

Has anyone seen Berry - also a CDM - only young - but I assume his signing was under PO given the timing.

 

[Rowdy]

If there's one thing I hate it's having three decent players to cover two positions. Especially the DM position which is prone to suspensions and occasional injuries

We've actually got more than '3 players for the 2 positions' & it's a valid point I made a while back, in that we're heavily stacked in this Dept.

Most would agree that Monty & Tav are 'starting' favourites for a formation with x2 DM's leaving:
• Junior, 1st choice but lacks the physicality of the next x3 listed ....

• Ascroft, alternates from DM/CB vice-versa

• McGing, alternates from DM/CB vice-versa

• Posco, easily gets the job done if we need him to, as long as there's a CB 'better' than him, replacing him back there.

• Neil, had a few games back to back in there last season when required went better there than at LB imo, good going forward

And finally ....

Has anyone seen Berry - also a CDM - only young

• Berry, just starting his 3yr apprenticeship
& after watching his pre-season game against Newy, is definitely a work in progress. Probably has the 'speed' over Junior & the tenacity to tackle as well which was very zealous but it's his disribution that let him down, doesn't compare to Liam. (Okon, no doubt, had a 'say' in his 3yr deal, with the announcement coming off the back of our game against the Young Socceroos ..... 1+1= Done!)

6 possible players for x2 positions,
x1 position if Paolo switches to a 442 diamond.

I'm predicting an exit for either Harry or Jake come Jan .... maybe earlier ...... maybe even both of them. Just depends on who Okon brings in for either another CB posi or the AM.

Definitely a lot of shuffling and a few 'nervous nellies' wearing Yellow in the early rounds.

 

[Big Al]

Rose bud has been produced in the shit house era's of Mossy and TW. You can't blame him from thinking twice about CCM graveyards City and SFC.

Very well could be the next Austin regretting his decision.

It will be crucial how PO uses him and more importantly gets the team playing as well. Rose bud won't be interested in more of the same crap.

Someone's ego is going to get hurt, who and how will they take it? Monty the next Hutch treatment and piss off the few locals left, Tavares which will be a massive waste of money and easily influence Faty or Rose who will say see ya I can develop at the bigger clubs and in City I can have a good career development opportunities. Rose suits the Mariners philosophy more than the other two but could also have his head turned easier. Don't forget City were linked with him previously.

How good are the improved terms might be key as well.

 

[Rowdy]

There's a rumour kicking about that Nathan Burns is joining Adelaide. Could be our number 10 solution if we have the dosh?

A great player BUT not a natural #10 imo, as far as i can remember has always played as a wide attacking player, just as Ange utilises him in the Socceroos set-up.

Likewise by Merrick, when he had his crack year with the Nix - in a 433. Samexat Adelaide iirc, otherwise up front as a striker.

I say save the money for a real #10, otherwise make do with Powell who sounds like he's relishing the role/challenge Okon has bestowed upon him.

If Powell doesn't work out in the AM role then I'm sure Paolo will be picking up the phone to MC come January, or perhaps even earlier (if Okon's smart enough) to get a 'head-start' necessary approval from Charlesworth.

This way Okon can have already done his 'window-shopping' in advance of the Jan transfer window opening & sign the player he wants fcuk'n ASAP on 'opening day'.

The 7 P's:
Prior
Preparation &
Planning
Prevents a
Piss-Poor
Performance.

 

[midfielder]

TW rated Tavares as the best DM in the league ... whether or not he is the best is like trying to measure a piece of string, however he is very good with the ball at his feet and his passing both short and long is normally quality... add he looks like a person who can organise those around him... Monty is a ball tearer a tackling machine with an uncanny ability to break down an attack... Monty is not great on the ball ... Monty IMO is a doer not an organiser...

Who to pick, Monty with the non stop all day and tackle and break down attacks, Tavares is the better ball player, much better on the ball and a better organiser.

Who to pick... well IMO that depends if you play Rose in a DM role to push forward in attack and drop back in defence. I have watched Rose play in the U 19 tournament TBH would be hard to leave him out of the first team in the form he is in.

Me things a Rose... Tavares ... in a 4-2-3-1... with maybe Monty coming on in the last 25 minutes as Tavares tires .. I see Tavares is the player to pick to attack and win and Monty as the player to hold a lead or a games position.

Why Tavares over Monty.... his passing ability going forward and I think he will be better at helping Neil & Storm...

Just on Storm... I have a side bet with a mate that PO may try to turn him into a right mid / winger...

 

[Rowdy]

I remember watching Tav in games for SydFC and he is guilty of going missing at times, especially at the breakdowns when Syd turned over possesion.

An opposition player then carry's the ball forward and Tav only had to make a 7-8yrd dash to put on some pressure or better yet 'effect' a tackle BUT just 'ball watched' & let the guy dribble into the attacking third !

This wasn't on just one ocassion either or in one game, but clearly remember thinking 'fcuk this guy can ...not always - but can be lazy at times within a game'

1st thing I thought of when we announced his signing, hopefully we don't get to see that from him.

He didnt have a 19yo wonderkid biting at his ankles down there also .... he has now.

Arnie def. wasnt afraid to bench him either when not performing thats for sure. Neither should Okon.

 

[Rowdy]

Rumour that Okon's first signing will be Shayne D'Cunha ex WSW youngster who has played for Aust U20 and U23

Well Pj ........ I'm guessing NOT

Phoenix coach Merrick sizes up Blacktown defender D'Cunha:

Former Western Sydney Wanderers defender Shayne D'Cunha is hoping spending time training with Wellington Phoenix secures him a move back to the A-League.

Wellington coach Ernie Merrick will evaluate D'Cunha in a trial game against Central Coast Mariners at Knox Grammar School on Saturday, before the 20-year-old returns to his NSW NPL club, Blacktown City, for an important date on Wednesday for their FFA Cup quarter-final against Sydney FC at Sydney United Sports Centre.

D'Cunha came off the bench to play an important role in Blacktown's 3-0 NPL grand final win over Sydney United 58 at Leichhardt Oval last Sunday.

"We lost centre-back Zac Cairncross after 20 minutes and Shayne came on and played the rest of the game," Blacktown coach Mark Crittenden told The World Game.

 

[Rowdy]

IF Okon was interested in D'Cunha he still gets the luxury of having a 'looksie' at him against the cattle he'd only be comparing him to replace &/or compete with.

All without having to sacrifice a spot &/or game time in a trial.

Win/Win.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

On starting CDM's, I think Okon is in a good position. For mine starting Monty and Tavares is the clear choice. We need experience and leadership. And they are also proven and accomplished players as well. But they will tire. Rose will be a very dangerous replacement to come on at 60 odd. If Tavares or Monty gets injured he starts - if Monty or Tav is consistently under performing... they can be dropped. But I think to drop either one for Rose right now unless they are under performing in training would be a diplomatic and tactical mistake.

Rose has done well. I'm a big fan. But he's still not the finished article and I'm not unhappy to see him coming off the bench for a solid 30 for a while. And if he's angling to leave us on a free in a year... then only if he is the clearly dominant player in that position does his development and putting him in the shop window become a priority for us. Posc actually offers a lot more in defence as a CDM than Rose does. So it all depends on how our ball movement and possession and combinations in attack are looking I think, and who we are playing. Posc could be the better choice at least in some games. And Rose could come in for Powell potentially also.

 

[Gratis]

On starting CDM's, I think Okon is in a good position. For mine starting Monty and Tavares is the clear choice. We need experience and leadership. And they are also proven and accomplished players as well. But they will tire. Rose will be a very dangerous replacement to come on at 60 odd. If Tavares or Monty gets injured he starts - if Monty or Tav is consistently under performing... they can be dropped. But I think to drop either one for Rose right now unless they are under performing in training would be a diplomatic and tactical mistake.

Rose has done well. I'm a big fan. But he's still not the finished article and I'm not unhappy to see him coming off the bench for a solid 30 for a while. And if he's angling to leave us on a free in a year... then only if he is the clearly dominant player in that position does his development and putting him in the shop window become a priority for us. Posc actually offers a lot more in defence a a CDM than Rose does. So it all depends on how our ball movement and possession and combinations in attack are looking I think, and who we are playing. Posc could be the better choice at least in some games. And Rose could come in for Powell potentially also.

this was my point. Sure we have more than 3 DM's but to have 3 Quality players to rotate is a good thing. And pushes all 3 of them to their best

 

[Coach]

Not sure if Coach is being provocative or stupid????.....the later is most likely.

If Monty, Fab, Faty and Pain are going to struggle..................................who the f**k is going to shine?????

I have not got the market cornered on provocation or stupidity!lol