Mariners Squad - HAL 12 - 2016 - 2017

[Wombat]

there definitely was a good payout for Rosey

Dumb by the club (as usual) not you Deej.

 

[nebakke]

there definitely was a good payout for Rosey

Wait, no offence but, where did you get that from?
I thought the club let him go to City - more than they released him.
Wtf would they pay him out if they don't look like replacing him anyway?

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Dumb by the club (as usual) not you Deej.

"Dumb as usual"? When we have no real idea of the circumstances or specifics of the contract?
You seem intent on assuming the worst lately Wombat about the club and MC more specifically.

This could have been a brilliant piece of negotiation for all we know.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Wait, no offence but, where did you get that from?
I thought the club let him go to City - more than they released him.
Wtf would they pay him out if they don't look like replacing him anyway?

A negotiation on his contract I assume. Probably paid a bit and saved a bit is the most logical assumption.

 

[Wombat]

"Dumb as usual"? When we have no real idea of the circumstances or specifics of the contract?
You seem intent on assuming the worst lately Wombat about the club and MC more specifically.

This could have been a brilliant piece of negotiation for all we know.

When the club show me something to be excited about I will be all smiles. I took out 6 memberships this season, and unlike many I will support us regardless but I have kept my powder relatively dry over the last two seasons.....but my patience with the Charlesworth circus is running a bit thin.
At least our kit is better this season!!!

 

[Forum Phoenix]

One more year till the new media deal and there will be no reason or excuse not to spend the cap, but realistically our squad is stronger and we look like we should be considerably more competitive than last year. We'll have a new coach to bring in a new era. MC isn't saying anything troubling. There's no rumours of moving us etc or going under. Wages are being paid. COE is not lying dormant. Academy's are developing... and yeah our kit is waaaaay better

IMO, things are clearly looking up and we have good reason to feel the worst is likely behind us. Cheer up wombles

 

[dibo]

I have kept my powder relatively dry over the last two seasons.....

Ha! That's funny, you've been tearing strips off the club for years. I'd love to see what happens when you're not keeping your powder dry!

 

[Gratis]

Wet gunpowder is not much use

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Everyone is assuming that the new media deal is going to make everything rosey in the A-League and it will solve all our problems.
I do not wish to be too much of a wet blanket but there is no guarantee that there will be masses of more money paid by whichever media coughs up.

The increase will have to be very substantial for us to be able to compete with overseas countries for players. Many overseas leagues have become more attractive to our players over the last few years while the A-League has been marking time.

Any increase that does flow through to our club will also flow through to the others so we will still be in the same position in a relative way.

If there is going to be expansion don't tell me that is not going to soak up a lot of the money in sweeteners by the FFA. If they decide they need to expand they will pay millions to encourage new owners and will pay lots if they think it is in the interests of the League. Look at their special one off Timmy contract.

Then there is always the black hole of supporting basket cases that seem to appear every so often like the Jets (for the last few years) and the Roar which has all the indications that they will have to be taken over. I suspect the main reason that it hasn't happened yet is that the FFA cannot afford it at this time.

It is all very well to be optimistic about the new media deal but a healthy dose of realism can ease the probable disappointment.

 

[pjennings]

I don't think we are looking for the TV deal to help us to compete with overseas countries for players. I can't see us ever being able to match dollars with the Oil Leagues or China for money What we are looking for is to get to the stage where we can spend the full cap and break even. What that means in dollar terms I do not know - but I would think it might be somewhere between an extra $800,000 to $1.5m. Then any marquee can be looked at on a case by case basis.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

The size of the cap has no bearing on whether we can spend the full cap or the minimum required. To be able to spend the full cap and break even, we must be able to balance the books of expenses outside players salaries. Until we do that we will still be using part of the cap for other expenses, no matter the size of the salary cap.

We will be no better off than we are now in relation to the other 9 clubs.

And another point I did not mention previously is that individual player salaries will increase with any increase in cap.

The new media deal will not lead us to a land of milk and honey and anyone who thinks all our problems will be cured by it after this season is living in fantasy land.

The only advantage in an increased cut of a new media deal will be that the proportion of the cap that we do not currently spend on player wages (i.e. spend on other things) MAY BE less.

 

[Gratis]

It's only relevant if the cap size changes. If it remains the same we will be better off but if there is a big increase in media deal money then a cap increase is more than possible.

 

[dibo]

I believe the cap increase has been agreed at 30% of the grant increase, so the grant increase will largely be directed to improving clubs' bottom lines.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Ancient, no ones said it will be the land of milk and honey and solve all problems. Straw man argument.

We broke even last year purportedly and as there is no foreseeable increase to our running costs barring player minimum wages - which will be relatively negligible - went from 51K to 55 last year - and there will almost certainly be an increase in income... there's every reason to expect will be spending more money on the squad.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if this was a condition of the extra FFA funding - I'm pretty sure they will want to ensure this money is being directly invested back into the clubs/their product.

Even if they simultaneously increased the cap, we would still have more room to move to bring the base line quality of the squad up than we do now.

Only way I see it making no difference was if we extend to 32 games a year or some such at the same time.
If they did, at least it's another kind of win.

*Edit just read Dibo's post. Well, there you go. 30% of the grant amount. Looks good to me.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

FP I was not putting up a straw man nor accusing anyone in particular. It is just that there seems to be a feeling here (and from the Club) that once we get through this year, with the new media deal to come all will be plain sailing.
My point is; first this new media deal has to be negotiated, and while everyone is talking it up I am suggesting there is a chance it may not be a great deal better than the last,
and second, that our position will not change relative to the other clubs we will all be getting the same increase.

Probably what I did not make clear was that if any increase in grants to the clubs came only in the form of increased cap money, we would still have to find the 10% or whatever part of the cap we spend elsewhere unless there is an increase in the grant to the clubs outside the cap. If this increase outside the cap does not happen or if it is not enough to cover our ongoing, non player salary costs, then the club will still take what it needs and can from the cap.

I still look forward to the future with optimism, but it is tinged with a healthy dose of caution.

 

[pjennings]

..... If this increase outside the cap does not happen ...

there are going to be 10 mightily pissed off owners and the whole HAL will be in trouble not just us.

 

[adz]

It does seem like the whole A-League business plan for the last few years has been based on "when we get the new media deal and $$$ rivers of cash, ...."

 

[dibo]

The last deal delivered a boost of $1m a year to each club. A similar increase would likely have us breaking even whilst spending the full cap, and the chat around the traps over recent years is that the likely increase is bigger than that.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

I truly hope so, but have seen nothing in the A-league so far that would justify that increase.

Maybe the stability (???) of the A-league since the last contract makes it more valuable but crowds and sponsorship or wow factor has not changed.

I suspect concern over the new deal is why the FFA have bent over backwards to develop the "Timmy" contract. I hope it is enough.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

But then again I am not a media mogul, nor do I know how they think.