Mariners Squad - HAL 11 - 2015/2016

[FFC Mariner]

Apparently not.

As for Hersi going to Canberra to get his visa sorted I think you can only apply in your country of origin not here.

Another learning experience for the club.

 

[Capt. Awesome]

Apparently not.

As for Hersi going to Canberra to get his visa sorted I think you can only apply in your country of origin not here.

Another learning experience for the club.

What if he goes to his embassy - technically the land is his country of origin.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I'm pretty certain you can't.

 

[dibo]

What if he goes to his embassy - technically the land is his country of origin.

His embassy aren't the ones approving the visa. He'll need to visit our embassy in his country of origin.

Unless there's an Australian embassy inside the Dutch embassy, which leads me to wonder if there's some wacky Russian dolls arrangement going on...

 

[Gratis]

Twitter reporting Melbourne City have signed Wilko.

Bloody plastics

looks like it.. www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/melbourne-city-and-melbourne-city-fight-to-bring-out-of-contract-socceroo-alex-wilkinson-to-aleague/news-story/57e6b2899f3f31e66ae637557ad0c79a

happy for Wilko to do well for himself but I would have so loved him back with us!

 

[sydmariner]

Twitter reporting Melbourne City have signed Wilko.

 

[BrisRecky]

Paolo,
We would of been his third Hal team, it's on him to have his shit together

 

[Big Al]

If we want Hersi for next year why would we care when he can play this year?

The sooner we get him the quicker he learns the systems and gels with the boys. We don't have to play him if we are on a roll and headed to the finals. Otherwise blood him whenever we want.

He needs a full preseason anyway after the injury.

As for the Visa. It's your legal document you better know what your doing.

 

[style_cafe]

Heitinga as a retiree is a free agent.
He`s still fit so why not make a call.
There should be a visa spot available now that Hersi has f**ked up & Hersi could keep training with us under the tourist visa anyway to have him sort out his problems.

 

[Paolo]

Paolo,
We would of been his third Hal team, it's on him to have his shit together

Bullshit. When it is a requirement that your employee has a valid visa in order for you to register them with FFA, then you are also to blame

 

[nebakke]

Heitinga as a retiree is a free agent.
He`s still fit so why not make a call.
There should be a visa spot available now that Hersi has f**ked up & Hersi could keep training with us under the tourist visa anyway to have him sort out his problems.

Actually - strictly speaking - I'm fairly sure that he'd be in breach of the visa conditions by training with us on a tourist visa.
You're not supposed to work or look for work in those - they're pretty strictly for tourists.

Also - while obviously i haven't had experience with the sports type visas. Pretty much every visa class has fairly stringent requirements in where you can apply and how you must pick it up from the country where you applied.
In most cases you're not showed to arrive in a tourist visa and then apply for another visa type - except bridging visas and the humanitarian subclasses - from within the country.
In short - I would expect that Hersi would have to leave, then reapply and await the decision out if the country.
Knowing Immigration Department we're looking at next year ;-)

 

[nebakke]

Bullshit. When it is a requirement that your employee has a valid visa in order for you to register them with FFA, then you are also to blame

Bullshit... A valid permit of some sort is a requirement for all work in Australia, if you are not a citizen.
Ultimately it is up to the employee to obtain that permit. The employer is only required to validate it to ensure that the employee actually has it.
In some - relatively rare - situations, the employer might help sponsor the employee... I expect that's what would happen here... But for that to happen the employee would have to communicate to the employer that he needs sponsorship and he would need to travel in something like a business visa I think.
For mine, this is on Hersi. Expecting the club to be responsible is tantamount to asking them to insure that a random set of unspecified actions have been taken, without giving them the means to verify.

 

[Atomic]

Shouldn't Hersi's manager shoulder most of the blame here (assuming he has one)? I thought the role of the manager was do do everything for their client, with the exception of lacing on a pair of boots and going to training or playing in the actual game itself.

 

[Paolo]

For Hersi to have obtained a sports visa he would have needed to obtain a letter of nomination from a sponsor, ie the club. If the club hadnt provided that sponsorship, then it should be quite obvious that he didnt have a valid visa. Culpability for this lies with both parties.

 

[Timmah]

For Hersi to have obtained a sports visa he would have needed to obtain a letter of nomination from a sponsor, ie the club. If the club hadnt provided that then iy shoyld be quite obvious that he didnt have a valid visa. Culpability for this lies with both parties.

I'm not sure HAL clubs *normally* sponsor visas. There are two types that enable you to work as well from what I've read?

Either way it's on the player and/or his agent to get this process sorted, well before the club becomes involved. As easy as it is to blame the club, the lion's share of the responsibility is on Hersi's end.

 

[Gratis]

This whole visa discussion is riveting hey

 

[Paolo]

I'm not sure HAL clubs *normally* sponsor visas. There are two types that enable you to work as well from what I've read?

Either way it's on the player and/or his agent to get this process sorted, well before the club becomes involved. As easy as it is to blame the club, the lion's share of the responsibility is on Hersi's end.

Both the 401 and 457 visas require a sponsor.

See Basketball Aus policy for comparable process
( https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...Ir9sTY9PE53wz_Ezw&sig2=FX_tHeQngNpxF0pJNcE0qg )

 

[Timmah]

This whole visa discussion is riveting hey

Slash an easy way out for some to slam the club for something that for the most part was an error on the player/player agents behalf.

The real embarrassment would be if the club didn't find this out at this point and instead signed him, let him play and then suddenly we've fielded an ineligible player and face points loss or other sanctions.

 

[rbakersmith]

As for Hersi going to Canberra to get his visa sorted I think you can only apply in your country of origin not here.

You can apply for a 401 visa while you're in Australia, however you must be in Australia at the time the visa is granted.

One thing worth noting is that you can't apply for a 401 if your current visa has a "no further stay" condition - this is commonly applied to the 600 Visitor visa. If the visa that he used to enter Australia had that condition then this whole debacle is entirely Hersi's fault.

 

[Paolo]

Slash an easy way out for some to slam the club for something that for the most part was an error on the player/player agents behalf.

The real embarrassment would be if the club didn't find this out at this point and instead signed him, let him play and then suddenly we've fielded an ineligible player and face points loss or other sanctions.

It is not a case of wanting to slam the club, but rather not blindly ignoring that SOME (i have never said they are solely or totally culpable) culpability should be placed on the club given the below clause.

National Registration Regulations
5.2 Visa Player
(a) If a Club wants to register a Visa Player as a Professional, that Club must ensure it meets all the legal requirements pertaining to the obtaining and maintaining of a valid visa or work permit for that Visa Player, including, where applicable, a letter of endorsement from FFA, the payment of any minimum salary and any sponsorship requirements.

If as rbakersmith alludes he had a no further stay condition, it should have come up earlier considering the length of time it has been on the radar.