Mariners squad HAL 10 ~ 2014/15

[Big Al]

Would be very disappointed if Michael is trying this legal loophole angle after everything we did for him to facilitate his VS adventure.

Clubs cop it from supporters but sometimes the players are the ones having a McBreen style wobbly when they don't get what they want when the contracts they sign no longer suit them.

 

[Big Al]

No comment from the players association yet. You think they'd definitely have an opinion & would have been consulted on the mariners so called contract changes.

I just can't see him playing for us again it just won't work the trust is gone. If we enforce & win a no one else but us - report back to us on the 1st Jan then look for him to have a sook & sit out the rest of his contract in NZ. IMO

As discussed who is paying him now? Mariners can't have it both ways & say he is only due back on the 1st of Jan. His loan deal ends it should have been straight back here so there must be some funny stuff in that contract. If he doesn't report back now maybe we could withhold wages but the clubs words are clear they have no intention of interacting with him as a CCM player until the 1st Jan. This seems very strange to me.

 

[rbakersmith]

From a legal perspective he no longer has a contract. Maybe from a moral perspective but not legally.

Go to www.asic.gov.au and do a company search and you will see why. 10 minutes of free searching and it all folds out.

All thats left if for the Mariners to try and legally challenge their mistake and see if they can stop him. Don't like their chances.

ASIC searches mean nothing.

The primary issue is which company is the one that holds the A-League franchise licence for the Central Coast Mariners. If it's still Central Coast Mariners FC Pty Ltd (which as of last month still had the FFA as a substantial shareholder) then there has been no change of ownership, no voiding of contracts and McGlinchey (and the Nux) are up sh!t creek without a paddle.

 

[dibo]

ASIC searches mean nothing.

The primary issue is which company is the one that holds the A-League franchise licence for the Central Coast Mariners. If it's still Central Coast Mariners FC Pty Ltd (which as of last month still had the FFA as a substantial shareholder) then there has been no change of ownership, no voiding of contracts and McGlinchey (and the Nux) are up sh!t creek without a paddle.

*If* there's a new company and there's been a transfer of licence (which an ASIC search won't tell you) then it's possible. There'd be a contract for Mcglinchey, but presumably in the name of the *old* licence holder.

It'd rely on another company name though. Searching for Mariners FC, we see Mariners FC Pty Ltd, registered 14/05/2013 and name changed (presumably to the current name) on 9/04/2014. Really simple way to confirm whether it's true - next time you run into a player, ask them if they had to sign a new contract. They may not answer, which obviously doesn't tell us anything, but if they say they did, we know Bilo's on the money.

 

[dibo]

I wish this shit would just stop though. North Sydney and Brookvale, alleged f**karounds with contracts, weirdness with kit suppliers, it's all a mess.

I'm going to sign for up my membership again, and my crew will too (and quite likely a bunch of us will be returning home to the coast to live!), but we want to see some stability.

I don't much care about winning, I care about my club. I want it to stand strong for years to come and know that my kids (whenever they arrive) will be able to join me in the stands while I tell them interminable stories about when we won the league with John Aloisi and when a crazy Dutchman and a serial pest won us our first championship.

 

[rbakersmith]

*If* there's a new company and there's been a transfer of licence (which an ASIC search won't tell you) then it's possible. There'd be a contract for Mcglinchey, but presumably in the name of the *old* licence holder.

It'd rely on another company name though. Searching for Mariners FC, we see Mariners FC Pty Ltd, registered 14/05/2013 and name changed (presumably to the current name) on 9/04/2014. Really simple way to confirm whether it's true - next time you run into a player, ask them if they had to sign a new contract. They may not answer, which obviously doesn't tell us anything, but if they say they did, we know Bilo's on the money.

If it was Mariners FC Pty Ltd, then the principal place of business would be Mariners HQ at Tuggerah. When I checked last month, it was still at Marque Lawyers in Sydney.

 

[midfielder]

The Nix's IMO have also shown themselves to be not innocent in this process.

What weeMac and the Nix's have done is ensure no player will ever be allowed to go to a better club for higher money again ..

 

[MrCelery]

I could be way off, but aren't all contracts held (and approved) by FFA?

There are at least 5 parties involved in this: McGlinchey, his agent, CCM, Phoenix, the PFA, and FFA.

From what I've seen so far, and that isn't much, it looks like a massive cock-up by FFA.

There is certainly a rotting fish smell coming off this, and that is such a pity considering the past relationship between player, club and supporters.

I agree that the only reasonable way forward is to let the player go, as the trust factor is now zero. But if it turns out that McGlinchey and Phoenix acted less than honourably, they can expect a fairly hostile reception when they visit Central Coast Stadium.

 

[MrCelery]

The Nix's IMO have also shown themselves to be not innocent in this process.

What weeMac and the Nix's have done is ensure no player will ever be allowed to go to a better club for higher money again ..

Call me thick, but I fail to see the logic in that.

 

[midfielder]

Call me thick, but I fail to see the logic in that.

The Nix would have known weeMac position and appear to wanta exploit a legal loop hole that hardly makes them a clean skin ...

 

[scoober]

If it was Mariners FC Pty Ltd, then the principal place of business would be Mariners HQ at Tuggerah. When I checked last month, it was still at Marque Lawyers in Sydney.

Generally it wouldn't be HQ at Tuggerah, most businesses as I do for mine will have the registered business address of either their solicitors or accountants. So all formal government documentation will go through them. The only agency where it has the place of business is Fair Trading.

 

[rbakersmith]

Generally it wouldn't be HQ at Tuggerah, most businesses as I do for mine will have the registered business address of either their solicitors or accountants. So all formal government documentation will go through them. The only agency where it has the place of business is Fair Trading.

The ASIC company extract lists the registered address and the principal place of business. For Central Coast Mariners FC Pty Ltd and Central Coast Mariners Foundation Ltd the principal place of business is Mariners HQ (although the foundation has a registered address at Marque Lawyers).

 

[MrCelery]

The Nix would have known weeMac position and appear to wanta exploit a legal loop hole that hardly makes them a clean skin ...

Agree with your first point, although if it turns out Phoenix got the OK from FFA for the transfer, it's not their fault. Where they are definitely in the wrong is to allow McGlinchey to train with them when knowing that there is a dispute.

I meant I don't understand the logic of your second point. I don't think this one cock-up will in any way deter players and clubs seeking higher transfers.

 

[priorpeter]

Mikey's brother commenting on CCM Facebook page earlier saying he's not under contract by us. We're definitely not getting the full story here. Tbh I'd be surprised if he plays for us this season.

 

[Einstein]

*If* there's a new company and there's been a transfer of licence (which an ASIC search won't tell you) then it's possible. There'd be a contract for Mcglinchey, but presumably in the name of the *old* licence holder.

It'd rely on another company name though. Searching for Mariners FC, we see Mariners FC Pty Ltd, registered 14/05/2013 and name changed (presumably to the current name) on 9/04/2014. Really simple way to confirm whether it's true - next time you run into a player, ask them if they had to sign a new contract. They may not answer, which obviously doesn't tell us anything, but if they say they did, we know Bilo's on the money.

Was done and they did, Bilo is 100% spot on.

 

[Big Al]

The real question probably should be if his loan deal has finished (VS website says he has been released).

WHY ARE MARINERS INSISTING ON THE 1ST JANUARY 2015 & NOT TODAY?

Makes absolutely no sense not to have him hear on the coast training with us in the preseason.

& why didn't SFC exploit this loophole further themselves surely they were offering more than the Nix.

 

[sydmariner]

The real question probably should be if his loan deal has finished (VS website says he has been released).

WHY ARE MARINERS INSISTING ON THE 1ST JANUARY 2015 & NOT TODAY?

Makes absolutely no sense not to have him hear on the coast training with us in the preseason.

& why didn't SFC exploit this loophole further themselves surely they were offering more than the Nix.

 

[rbakersmith]

In more positive news, Griff has re-signed for another season:

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au.../News--Griffiths-signs-on-for-season-10/91086

 

[Gratis]

I was wondering what was happening there

 

[midfielder]

On YF they are saying they want it resolved .. they believed and it would appear from Paul McGlinchey his brother that he believed he had no contract and excepted an offer from the Nix who believed he was out of contract.

Seems to me FFA need to act quickly to solve this ... also I don't believe that weeMac tho he did not have a contract with us ...