Mariners sell supporters short.... again

[dibo]

Well obviously its not ' purely and soley' central coast if we are taking games away from the coast for the benefit of another region.

Still doesn't warrant the hysteria that some in this thread have resorted to...

Just because *you're* happy enough to see 'home' games played elsewhere doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Labelling differing views as hysterical doesn't help your case.

There's been no good case for allowing these games to move, just excuses. The pitch, supporting Capital football, supporting a Canberra A-League bid... None of them really make any sense, the only thing that makes sense is money.

If, and only if, this is *required* to keep the club afloat should it have been considered let alone welcomed. Anything less is whoring the club off in utter disregard of its 'members and supporters'. Being offered a 'free' ticket to a match 300km away in lieu of a home game is a joke.

 

[Sean]

Thread title is appropriate.

This time last year I was whinging about no student concessions for the bay, and the actual price of the home support ticket. We saw how that went.

Now this year we're selling games and making fans travel 300km to the boredom capital of the world with a cop out of a free ticket for those members who make the distance. I hope they chuck on extra buses for supporters and those who aren't members or organise some accommodation packages for those keen to make the trek seeing theyre getting paid by ACT gov for this.

 

[Bex]

I see your point Dibo and Sean, but how can it be whoring when we're getting the same number of home matches as last year for the same member price? Nobody is forcing anyone to travel to Canberra but, if you care to make the trip, you get a free entry. Sure, it would be really nice to get a free bus ride down there and accomodation. However, then I would expect to pay for those matches in my membership (i.e. another two home games, not the bus and accomodation cost). And yes, I would probably prefer to pay extra membership dollars and get two extra home games. But its not like they're ripping us off with the membership charge.

Seriously, is there any club in any code that has paid for their fan's accomodation and travel for a home game that has been moved to an away ground?

 

[Sean]

Im not asking for paid accom, but suggestions and advertisement of organised packages by the club would be handy for the family's who are Mariners crazy...

 

[Teddy Bear]

A big issue not mentioned is the fact we may unneccessary drop points playing home games away from home for the sake of a few dollars. If our home record happens to be outstanding this season and we drop points in Canberra then mariners executives heads should roll!!!! especially if we miss out the chance for any silverware by a point ot two.

 

[dibo]

I see your point Dibo and Sean, but how can it be whoring when we're getting the same number of home matches as last year for the same member price? Nobody is forcing anyone to travel to Canberra but, if you care to make the trip, you get a free entry. Sure, it would be really nice to get a free bus ride down there and accomodation. However, then I would expect to pay for those matches in my membership (i.e. another two home games, not the bus and accomodation cost). And yes, I would probably prefer to pay extra membership dollars and get two extra home games. But its not like they're ripping us off with the membership charge.

Seriously, is there any club in any code that has paid for their fan's accomodation and travel for a home game that has been moved to an away ground?

*our* home games are being given away for money. Thats whoring ourselves out.

It may be the same number of home games as last year, but it's still more games than we gave away last year, isn't it? This was discussed last year as well (as I alluded to in the thread) and they said they wouldn't do it without consulting supporters.

On page 11 of the Telegraph today in the Central Coast EXTRA section

                                            Mariners fans fury.

Possible plans to schedule one of  two Central Coast Mariners home games against Sydney FC at Homebush next season smacks of arrogance and was an insult to fans who had helped build the Mariners fan base supporters said yesterday.

President of the Mariners supporters club - The Marinators- Jeff Hall told the daily Telegraph yesterday while he and other fans encouraged soccers push into western Sydney it shouldnt come at Mariners fans expense.

I can understand them (Football Federation of Australia) wanting to move to western Sydney to grow the game but how about respecting the fact that were trying to grow the game on the Central Coast as well? Mr Hall said.

If the plans do eventuate the match would be the first A-League fixture at the Homebush ANZ Stadium.

The Central Coast will never be compensated for missing the funds that could have been injected into the region by holding the Grand Final here. And the same will happen by moving the Mariners v Jets (Im sure she means Bling) match to Homebush - the local economy misses out again

Id say the supporters would think about boycotting this game if it was shifted to Homebush. Its just so wrong on so many levels

Mr Halls fury follows criticism by Bluetongue Stadiums major sponsor John Singleton, who labelled the plan as dopey and said it was an insult to the Central Coast Mariners fans.

The Daily Telegraph contacted the FFA yesterday but a spokesman said it did not wish to comment on the matter.

Mariners chairman Lyall Gorman denied the Mariners home game would be shifted.

Theres nothing to talk about Mr Gorman said when asked about the possibility of the match being moved.

There have been no discussions advanced at this stage in regards to that. If there were, the first to know about those discussions would be the fans and supporters.

I didn't claim that we're being financially ripped off, I didn't claim that Im being told to pay for something Im not going to receive, Im saying that they're taking away games that should be played at home in front of us, the fans and supporters.

Its a principle thing you should respect the supporters who are there week in, week out by playing in front of them rather than flogging off your games for 30 pieces of silver!

 

[FFC Mariner]

Seems to me that LG needs some serious media training.

The above and his handling of "Arnoldoutgate" is pretty poor and I would expect much (much) better from someone with his pedigree.

 

[Bex]

*our* home games are being given away for money. That’s whoring ourselves out.

It may be the same number of home games as last year, but it's still more games than we gave away last year, isn't it? This was discussed last year as well (as I alluded to in the thread) and they said they wouldn't do it without consulting supporters.

I'll pay that. I guess I'm coming from the angle that you can't miss something you didn't have to begin with, but you're right about the fact that grass roots members should get the benefit of a longer competition by getting more home games. I guess I'm just willing to accept that the business side of the sport does and will come into play in these decisions at times. Its a good thing to ensure Mariners FC are aware we won't take too much of this sort of treatment. The comments about moving the club to Canberra (whoever said that) are still absurd though.

 

[Timmah]

Well obviously its not ' purely and soley' central coast if we are taking games away from the coast for the benefit of another region.

Still doesn't warrant the hysteria that some in this thread have resorted to...

Just because *you're* happy enough to see 'home' games played elsewhere doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Labelling differing views as hysterical doesn't help your case.

There's been no good case for allowing these games to move, just excuses. The pitch, supporting Capital football, supporting a Canberra A-League bid... None of them really make any sense, the only thing that makes sense is money.

If, and only if, this is *required* to keep the club afloat should it have been considered let alone welcomed. Anything less is whoring the club off in utter disregard of its 'members and supporters'. Being offered a 'free' ticket to a match 300km away in lieu of a home game is a joke.

Labelling different views as hysterical? Um... I was labelling those who saw this as a precursor to a complete relocation - THAT is hysterical. I'm left with no doubt people are entitled to be upset with the relocation of games, I think it sucks too.

 

[Part_Timer]

filthy low act....but i get a free ticket

 

[Mini In Bay 6]

Its a principle thing you should respect the supporters who are there week in, week out by playing in front of them rather than flogging off your games for 30 pieces of silver!

Well your rooted then for watching anything in this country if your principles get in the way. All codes and sports have a glorious tradition of "whoring" themselves out for a game or two.  Cricket does it, RL does it, AFL does it -  heck i'm sure if you delve into footballs past in the NSL there would be an example of it.

A game or two is clearly not a precurser to relocation, or Hawthorne would be in Tassie, The Roosters on the Central Coast and the NSW Blues in Newcastle (Or comedy Coffs Harbour). Clearly then a game or two = relocation is not supported by the historical record.

Now you can say that just because others do it, we shouldn't - perhaps. But better folloing a club with dough than a busted arse one without. Principles might be all fine and well, but they seldom pay the bills.

 

[Arabmariner]

I've followed another small club all my life.

A club whose home crowds are usually less than ours and have a debt of around 5 million quid.

They've never moved a home game ever and have survived for 100 years.

Moving home games is what UEFA do as a punishment to teams with naughty fans ffs !

 

[scottmac]

I've followed another small club all my life.

A club whose home crowds are usually less than ours and have a debt of around 5 million quid.

They've never moved a home game ever and have survived for 100 years.

Moving home games is what UEFA do as a punishment to teams with naughty fans ffs !

This is not Europe, where there is another team down the road. This is ostraya where, put in European terms, you have to cross countries to find the next team. 

 

[scottmac]

A big issue not mentioned is the fact we may unneccessary drop points playing home games away from home for the sake of a few dollars. If our home record happens to be outstanding this season and we drop points in Canberra then mariners executives heads should roll!!!! especially if we miss out the chance for any silverware by a point ot two.

Another point is the drawcard of Perths lineup this year. That may have got a lot more Coasties out of their armchairs to watch a game of football this year.

 

[Arabmariner]

I've followed another small club all my life.

A club whose home crowds are usually less than ours and have a debt of around 5 million quid.

They've never moved a home game ever and have survived for 100 years.

Moving home games is what UEFA do as a punishment to teams with naughty fans ffs !

This is not Europe, where there is another team down the road. This is ostraya where, put in European terms, you have to cross countries to find the next team. 

How the f**k can I consider your reply properly when your avatar keeps.............doing things to my eyes!!

 

[scottmac]

I've followed another small club all my life.

A club whose home crowds are usually less than ours and have a debt of around 5 million quid.

They've never moved a home game ever and have survived for 100 years.

Moving home games is what UEFA do as a punishment to teams with naughty fans ffs !

This is not Europe, where there is another team down the road. This is ostraya where, put in European terms, you have to cross countries to find the next team. 

How the f**k can I consider your reply properly when your avatar keeps.............doing things to my eyes!!

fixed!

 

[Arabmariner]

I've followed another small club all my life.

A club whose home crowds are usually less than ours and have a debt of around 5 million quid.

They've never moved a home game ever and have survived for 100 years.

Moving home games is what UEFA do as a punishment to teams with naughty fans ffs !

This is not Europe, where there is another team down the road. This is ostraya where, put in European terms, you have to cross countries to find the next team. 

How the f**k can I consider your reply properly when your avatar keeps.............doing things to my eyes!!

fixed!

LOL

 

[stewed_screwed_n_marinated]

Hey, first post here. Noted- we all want our home games to be played on the Coast. However, lets view this with a little objectivity please, or even better positivity. Firstly, the coast is being plugged in other areas (good for all surely), it further grows the CCM brand and if thats whoreing then we need not look further then the EPLs excursions into Asia(no-one cries slut there). Further, lets be proud that our club is 1 of only 2 teams to have posted positive financial results after last season, and our clubs tenacity to achieve on the pitch as well as fiscally is something we should be proud off and comforted by. As much as it's a dissapoinment not to see more of the lads at BT surely it is a massive feather in our cap that; our club is being used as a model for potential a-league franchises. Obviously we all want the big signings, but could be far worse and have the FFA administering as Bling, Roar and Adelaide have all suffered.

On a Side note, i write this from Adelaide I find it amazing inbetween my travels when i'm home the support the yellow and navy receive. The number of shirts I've seen, the flags, jackets, hats, stickers etc at home leave Adelaide for dead (and they are areguably one of the comps most successful teams).

I don't think our mariners are going any where, and that its all a wee bit over reacting. However if that dark day ever came, we'd really only have to look as far as ourselves. Sorry maybe wee bit serious.

 

[FFC Mariner]

The outcry from the real football community (as opposed to the EPL and the media) when the idea of moving games to Asia was very loud indeed.

Moving our home games, making us go and get our free tickets when they have our addresses, not organising "away" travel and lying about it inthe 1st place is piss poor business practice and sadly typical of the creeping level of contempt shown to supporters over the last season or 2.

 

[Jesus]

The outcry from the real football community (as opposed to the EPL and the media) when the idea of moving games to Asia was very loud indeed.

Moving our home games, making us go and get our free tickets when they have our addresses, not organising "away" travel and lying about it inthe 1st place is piss poor business practice and sadly typical of the creeping level of contempt shown to supporters over the last season or 2.

The club has definately not handled it well.

I really want to hear Lyall come out and say we moved the matches cause the pitch is shit. Why does everything have to be spin? Building links with canberra is worthless since either in 1 or 4 years they will have their own team and the links will disolve.

They can say we are doing this with ACT govt and FFA to test waters for canberra side, SINCE we are unable to play at bluey anyway.

Thats what they should say. Assuming it is true.

I know i will hate it more later, when the season starts and there are no home games.