No need to interfere with the way the game works, just would be nice from a stats perspective to see some distinction made. Looking at the 18/19 stats Krishna had 19, ALF 18, Toivonen, Keogh and Barbaouses on 15. I know Krisha took a bunch of them and eventually stopped because his conversion rate wasnt amazing, pretty sure ALF had his share but I couldn't tell you how many of the last 3 were from the spot. If it's only 1 or 2 (or none) compared to 5+ for others who had penalty duty that's very impressive and should be easy to identify.
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Mariners Preseason 2019
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style_cafe
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Capn Gus Bloodbeard
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Don't see any reason for that. The fouled player may not have been the one about to shoot. Heck, the fouled player may not even have had the ball. Why force the non-goalscorer to take the shot when, even if they had the ball, they may have been trying to get it to the goalscorer?
Also, easy to get around that rule with a sudden 'cramp'.
I agree that it would be good if they were separated from a goalscorer's tally....though if we're going to do that, may as well have a 3rd category for free kicks. Which wouldn't be a bad thing - goals scored total, then broken down into open play, free kicks, penalty kicks.
Capn Gus Bloodbeard
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That 2nd goal is the sort of goal that's been plaguing us for years - attacker doesn't really do anything to lose the defender but the defender gets caught up in ball watching and leaves an attacker in the centre of the box completely unmarked.
We need to fix that.
nebakke
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I couldn't agree more, one thing worth bearing in mind though, is the trouble we've historically had, converting penalties... Off the top of my head, I actually think Matty is the first player since... Well... Before the championship season, who has consistently been able to convert pens... Macca had notorious issues with it as well.
So... If we don't have any single player who can consistently score from open play anyway, perhaps it's worth having the one who can score from pens in play, so-to-speak...
I'm not saying that Matty should be a guaranteed starter as such, I guess my view is that while I think there's hope in Muzzah, he's got a ways to go and I'm not sure that overall he's much better of a player at this point, so much as he's providing a glimmer of hope in a bleak-looking space.
So I'm much more worried about us not signing a visa striker, than I am about whether Matty or Muzzah is our starting striker...
Pirate Pete
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I'm not really a fan of Matty taking the penalties. Last season he took one against the Nix and scored.
Next one he hit in exactly the same place. Just lucky the Melbourne City keeper couldn't hold it and he scored from the rebound.
Would be nice if stats showed how many of the players goals were penalties though.
Somewhere some geek has got an excel spreadsheet with all that info going back all through the A league.
Next one he hit in exactly the same place. Just lucky the Melbourne City keeper couldn't hold it and he scored from the rebound.
Would be nice if stats showed how many of the players goals were penalties though.
Somewhere some geek has got an excel spreadsheet with all that info going back all through the A league.
Wombat
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Dibo?
marinermick
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There’s a FFA Cup thread
Corsair
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Ah missed it thanks
SuperHans
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I wouldnt be surprised. Some European clubs research and keep stats on penalty takers' preferred placement of shots. (Very useful for a keeper to bone up on especially if it comes down to a shoot out). If we have only one penalty taker (MS) any pattern he has for placement will become obvious and countered. I haven't been looking for a pattern; lets hope he is mixing them up.
Sydney had that info for the shootout in the GF. There was a bunch of stories after Santalab's fail: https://www.a-league.com.au/news/two-word-note-masterminded-redmaynes-penalty-save-santalab
SuperHans
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Thanks Turbo. I didnt know about that. It seems silly not to use data on shooting patterns.
https://www.holdingmidfield.com/man...ory-a-basque-economist-and-john-terrys-tears/
https://iconicfootballmoments.home....-the-penalty-shootout-is-no-longer-a-lottery/
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Pirate Pete
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At least Matty picked a different spot for his kicks last night.
The England goalkeeper had all the penalty takers preferences written on his drink bottle for penalty shoot outs during the world cup
The England goalkeeper had all the penalty takers preferences written on his drink bottle for penalty shoot outs during the world cup
SuperHans
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It looks like Transfermarkt breaks up the types of goals. eg of Simons 7 goals last season, 4 were penalties.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/matt-...//pos/0/trainer_id/0/minute/0/torart/0/plus/1
nebakke
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Been thinking about this actually - to be fair it'd probably be valuable to know who won the pen in this first place too... I'd probably argue that a pen is worth more as a measure of the player if he won it in the first place.
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SuperHans
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Not too sure about this. My son went to a clinic run by a South American some years ago and it advertised teaching "How to win penalties" among other things. Took him out when I saw that. It suggests milking/diving/misleading the officials/cheating. Also there are other variables in the awarding of a pen, like the official and poor decisions made by defenders. I agree that when an attacker who gets into a threatening position and that triggers those rash decisions then they have done well, but I think there are other factors too.
It doesn't have to be simulation, there's a real art to being able to draw a player in to fouling you. Things like how you position your body and hold the ball are quite important and so is knowing when to go to ground. If you can just stay upright but your scoring opportunity has been ruined by a foul that wasn't called you're worse off, a good striker needs to know when to take the hit to force a decision. Might not always go your way and the degree you take it to is important but you'll be better off than the guy who always keeps his feet and loses his shot.
Said it a few times, how nice to have a normal professional pre season happening. Shouldn’t need to be said, but anyway.
City will be a good test.
Someone said the tassie friendlies are getting streamed? Any truth to that?
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