Lyall Gorman - Changes to squad

[clarence]

Well, i am really saying how things should be. If we are going to keep players not up to it, we can at least ditch nepotism of the coach for the will of the crowd. Everytime hutch goes to take a corner on the western side the whole crowd is angry and calling for anyone else to take it.

I dont think wanting simon to have number 9 is a reason for getting rid of a striker. The numbers could be switched without that, and if that is so important to them, then they have major issues.

I dont think mrdja would be on that much cash now. And will no doubt be going backwards in the cash offer this season. I think that he looked like he was not match fit at all this season. He needed the preseason.

The mention of the number 9 jersey was purely as an indication of the worth of the players to the team. Mrdja came to the club as the gun striker probably asked for and got the 9 jersey, and by all measures of achievement, hasn't done much. On top of that, we even extended his contract for this last season, and kept good will with the player, but he still didn't deliver. Lately, he lamed off about a hamstring problem and hasn;t been sighted since for the ACL - just when things weren't looking pretty.

Matt Simon, on the other hand, has come into the team very much the kid striker, had to sit back and watch Aloisi get all the crowd support last season ,and had to relearn how to get goals, which he eventually achieved and is now on the fringe of Socceroo selection. On the rise for sure.

Quite frankly, putting an offer to Mrdja is pointless. I don't see why the club would bother, given the lack of game time he has put back into the club over the last 4 seasons.

He has never regained full fitness and I understand that that may be due to the chronic nature of his knee and being unable to flog himself into shape. Well in which case, he's never going to be able to play the full 90 at this level, so why even keep him hanging on. Free up the money and let him go.

We have two spots available at striker, and I would suggest the club look at what young gun they can bring in under Matty and Dylan, give Matt the opportunity to get the 9 jersey if he wants it and re establish the pecking order for strikers.

The 9 jersey is just an indication of the worth of the player - first 11 player, # 9 best forward.

 

[clarence]

what about when the crowd's irrational and believes certain players to be worth far more than they are?

Well if you read Lyall's statement, the club is aware of the grumblings of the fans. If they aren't reading it here, they are hearing the unrest when a player is not performing. Can't be too irrational then if Lyall says they understand the fans' disquiet?

 

[dibo]

what about when the crowd's irrational and believes certain players to be worth far more than they are?

Well if you read Lyall's statement, the club is aware of the grumblings of the fans. If they aren't reading it here, they are hearing the unrest when a player is not performing. Can't be too irrational then if Lyall says they understand the fans' disquiet?

my point was more that there needs to be a balance. i agree that the fans are often right about certain players, but fans can be wrong too. kwasnik isn't terribly popular but is effective. gumprecht is amazingly popular and not that effective. if we were to go by fans' reactions only then we'd offer gumprecht two years and show kwas the door, but that'd be insane.

 

[clarence]

Balanced argument for every player in the squad - yes.

Plain hating the player because he might have cost you a winning bet - no.

Your comparison between Kwasnik and Gumprecht is fraught with plenty of debate here from those who feel that Kwasnik is not at all effective, or that Gumps may be popular with the families but still has a full 90 to contribute.

Everyone has their views about those players. But I have to say that if what Lyall is talking about when he says bringing in 5 or 6 new players involves returning Kwasnik to the fold then that will be viewed by the majority as not much of an improvement on what we already have (which Lyall is saying needs to improve?).

 

[dibo]

we disagree on the particular players, we agree on the problems (and roughly speaking, the solution as well).

the manager's got to earn his clams somehow, and making good calls on these decisions is a big part.

 

[David Votoupal]

History shows fans have always been quick to get on the backs of players who are not performing and/or are simply a waste of time and don't deserve to be there. Call it scapegoating (if that's what it is at times) or looking for a whipping boy, but it's been fact through time and unlikely to change.

Heck, Sydney fans had that with Zdrilic, and Adelaide United had that with Ross Aloisi in V2 and at times Cornthwaite.

 

[fruitbat]

Good to see a boardroom response to our state.

Can we assume that the "Boardroom" arent the cause of our current mediocrity. If Gorman sees it as his role to hire & fire players - isnt he responsible for the team's decline in talent?

 

[fruitbat]

what about when the crowd's irrational and believes certain players to be worth far more than they are?

Well, perhaps many of the sweaty masses disagree with your assessment of those players. Their opinions are just as valid as yours; Is it possible your  irrational prejudiced against some players is blinding you to their abilities?.

 

[fruitbat]

what about when the crowd's irrational and believes certain players to be worth far more than they are?

Well if you read Lyall's statement, the club is aware of the grumblings of the fans. If they aren't reading it here, they are hearing the unrest when a player is not performing. Can't be too irrational then if Lyall says they understand the fans' disquiet?

my point was more that there needs to be a balance. i agree that the fans are often right about certain players, but fans can be wrong too. kwasnik isn't terribly popular but is effective. gumprecht is amazingly popular and not that effective. if we were to go by fans' reactions only then we'd offer gumprecht two years and show kwas the door, but that'd be insane.

Insane? Lets see....Gumprecht played for his country, Gumprecht played in the Serie A, Gumprecht played in the Bundesliga......... and Kwasnik?


The other night he played his heart out (AGAIN) for a club that has treated him poorly, Gumprecht has lost more composure on the ball than Kwasnik will ever learn,
Gumprecht can pass, cross, and take on defenders better than anyone else in the squad AND at the age of 35.

Even if you are right (a hypothetical position) and the crowds wrongly prefer Gumps over Kwasnik, we are the customers in this business-and "the customer is always right" and "Give 'em what they want if you want bums on seats" if you want to survive in the entertainment business.

BTW He set up at least one of the goals the other night. In saying that, I WAS pleasantly surprised with Kwasnik's performance, mind you I had fairly low expectations. Even Kwas is an improvement on Mrjda.

Can you also publish the terms of any agreement between the moderators and the franchise for the running this forum? The existence of an agreement was mentioned recently elsewhere and its in everyone's interest to know the terms of it...this way we can understand whether there is an obligation on moderators to parrot management's spin on things.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

what about when the crowd's irrational and believes certain players to be worth far more than they are?

Well if you read Lyall's statement, the club is aware of the grumblings of the fans. If they aren't reading it here, they are hearing the unrest when a player is not performing. Can't be too irrational then if Lyall says they understand the fans' disquiet?

my point was more that there needs to be a balance. i agree that the fans are often right about certain players, but fans can be wrong too. kwasnik isn't terribly popular but is effective. gumprecht is amazingly popular and not that effective. if we were to go by fans' reactions only then we'd offer gumprecht two years and show kwas the door, but that'd be insane.

Can you also publish the terms of any agreement between the moderators and the franchise for the running this forum? The existence of an agreement was mentioned recently elsewhere and its in everyone's interest to know the terms of it...this way we can understand whether there is an obligation on moderators to parrot management's spin on things.

+1. Some transparency please.

Moderators here do nothing but grovel to the powers that be. It is pathetic. Have some dignity and express your real opinion dibo!

 

[FFC Mariner]

That made my day, that Dibo is a covert agent of influence for the club.

That Adz has always worried me though - bloody 5th columnist

 

[Jesus]

what about when the crowd's irrational and believes certain players to be worth far more than they are?

What is the problem there? The crowd do not pick the team. It is up to the gaf to balance these things. Something I personally feel he is not doing right. But, clubs also have promotion to do. If a player is hated by the crowd, then the club should try and change it, if a player is loved by the crowd, give the crowd a taste.

eg from your example, a bit of good publicity of kwassie working hard in training, and doing things beneficial in the general public building up his profile. With gumps give him orders when warming up to try and rouse the crowd. And play him in against tiring legs.

Just examples

 

[midfielder]

We did little to bolster their squad for the ACL and its taken some embarrassing performances for them to realise it. Some have hit the nail on the head, 12 foundation players (some not worthy) and we will be in big trouble this season if we dont do anything soon.

At this early point with the current squad Id comfortably predict we would be contenders for the wooden spoon.... OHHH ARRRRR ... But at least it's being acted upon

 

[FFC Mariner]

Personally, I think Wellington and the scum will be worse than us - but not by much

 

[Ursus]

Can you also publish the terms of any agreement between the moderators and the franchise for the running this forum? The existence of an agreement was mentioned recently elsewhere and its in everyone's interest to know the terms of it...this way we can understand whether there is an obligation on moderators to parrot management's spin on things.

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[kevrenor]

Certainly Fruitbat. The terms are shown below in their full form:




























I think you will find that enlightening ...

 

[serious14]

I think Kev just owned someone.......

 

[MrCelery]

Personally, I think Wellington and the scum will be worse than us - but not by much

As much as I despise them, I think the bogans scum have assembled a rather impressive squad for the next campaign. They've not gelled as a team yet, but that will come.

I would rate them above us at this point in time, unless we add some spice to our squad, which is looking a little, dare I say it, stale.

It's great to have a very stable squad (as we have). That's pretty rare these days. But the downside is that other teams will find us predictable, and will know how to exploit our weak spots and nullify our strengths.

On the up side, I was pretty happy about how we played in Japan against a quality opposition. A little luck and a little less poor defending would have seen a share of the points or even an upset.

 

[dibo]

That made my day, that Dibo is a covert agent of influence for the club.

That Adz has always worried me though - bloody 5th columnist

it's hilarious. imagine if he read my views on moving games! his head would spin!

 

[fruitbat]

Certainly Fruitbat. The terms are shown below in their full form:

Thank you, since you are not bound by an agreement, slavish support by moderators to management can now be seen as brown-nosing.




























I think you will find that enlightening ...