From the dug out
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We can only do with the cattle we've got and the budget we have unfortunitally.
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Is it time for wholesale change at CCM
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Ursus
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From the dug out said:
Very good point.
1) We are still not a rich club. We have to watch the pennies.
We cannot fork out $1.4m for a marquee each season and besides in most cases they have not been the answer more disasters than even moderate successes.
2) Lawrie has been successful in sifting out great pieces of wheat from the chaff (eg Jedi, Bojic), however these sort of players do not come along everyday and are hard to find. If someone is recognised as good by more than one manager the price goes up..
3) Over the 4 years the management have brought in some great young players who are developing that many here have overlooked. Simon, Porter, Boogard, Danny.
4) Management in the A-League is not about just identifying a need and going and buying the best. There is a budget and a cap. I am happy with the way our management have worked within these constraints and have the team still punching above its weight.
I do not want to see us end up like Sydney which will happen if people cannot accept a mix of good and bad. There is no such thing as instant success in this league.
scottmac
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Ursus said:
There it is, do the mariners want to be a club just punching above it's weight? Or do they want to be the benchmark? One or two signatures this season (a defender and a marquee) would have seen us close to the best, and a very good chance of two successive seasons in Asia.
The next (2nd) season in Asia would be more lucrative than penny pinching on two signatures.
one thing i jus have to say is to all the people who mentioned africa u r dam right.....i hav seen some footage of african football through a mate and it isnt bad at all and pretty sure its semi pro which means they wouldnt be earnin much due the economy over there and there style of play would suit us.....when ur a youngster playin on dirt filled with sticks playin barefeet and kicking a ball made outr of god knows what they hardens u up and these guys hav skill
marconigirl
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Hoover said:
My brother Owen is in South Africa atm working as a safari guide and has been playing football for one of their teams. He said that they were really good players. He was impressed with the quality of their games... Now I know that where he is playing isn't a-league level, (he was going to play state level in 2008 if he had stayed in Australia) it just agrees with what Hoover said.
midfielder
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The big test will be our player recruitment. In Hal 1 & 2 we had perhaps the smallest budget to work with and the FFA had to bale us out. In Hal 3 Peter T came along but late in the piece and to late for signing up a new players. Hal 4 we had limited chances to buy new players, but we purchased DM, AC both IMO have been astute buys resigned Grumpy after we lost Kawasie to the Nix, again a good buy. Elrich as I have said before has the potential to be the best buy of the A-League but has been out with injuries. Jedi going has hurt but from media reports it was near impossible to get him to stay.
In Hal 1 to 3, our defense was close to the best in the league, Beech in Hal 1 & Vinny in seasons 2 & 3, also Danny form is down on previous seasons maybe this to could be down to Vinny as well who knows but Danny needs a dose of confidence.
The ACL & Hal 5 will definitively test our coaching staff, Jesse Fink on TWG blog wrote a article http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blogs/halftimeorange/to-sydney-cc-newcastle-subject-get-ghotbi-163520/ about a coach called Afshin Ghotbi, while I am not suggesting we replace LM I am suggesting he needs to prove he can make the right buys to stiffen up our defense and give the midfield more structure. Also Alex Tobin will need also to prove the potential he promises. Just like players the coaching staff need to be up to the tasks ahead.
I still have faith in LM but how we perform in the ACL & Hal 5 will decide his fate given our management but if coaches of the caliber Afshin Ghotbi are saying they wish to come to the A-League then this could be the next step in our journey.
Have enjoyed reading posts to date, also I have stopped short of naming players thats the coaching staff call and its their call on how that structure will work i.e. overseas players or local as an example; if I could have one wish it would be for Beech to return.
In Hal 1 to 3, our defense was close to the best in the league, Beech in Hal 1 & Vinny in seasons 2 & 3, also Danny form is down on previous seasons maybe this to could be down to Vinny as well who knows but Danny needs a dose of confidence.
The ACL & Hal 5 will definitively test our coaching staff, Jesse Fink on TWG blog wrote a article http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blogs/halftimeorange/to-sydney-cc-newcastle-subject-get-ghotbi-163520/ about a coach called Afshin Ghotbi, while I am not suggesting we replace LM I am suggesting he needs to prove he can make the right buys to stiffen up our defense and give the midfield more structure. Also Alex Tobin will need also to prove the potential he promises. Just like players the coaching staff need to be up to the tasks ahead.
I still have faith in LM but how we perform in the ACL & Hal 5 will decide his fate given our management but if coaches of the caliber Afshin Ghotbi are saying they wish to come to the A-League then this could be the next step in our journey.
Have enjoyed reading posts to date, also I have stopped short of naming players thats the coaching staff call and its their call on how that structure will work i.e. overseas players or local as an example; if I could have one wish it would be for Beech to return.
It's interesting to see how many are pinning their faith on the uber-signing. As a coach of various sports I was always wary of the player with the super reputation. I was more prepared to pick the lesser ability player if he or she was a better team player. What I'm saying is that one player will not save or revive our club. What we need is a more rounded view of where the club wants to go and how we're going to get there.
After the Melbourne match it's clear we're lacking self-belief. Someone needs to step up and take the game by the scruff of the neck and shake the living christ out of it. You'd normally think the captain might do that but I don't think Wilko is up to it. For my money D-Mac is the one who could do it closely followed by Sasho. As I said earlier we need a marquee for the touches of brilliance that will inspire the whole team. Whether that be the last ditch piece of defending, the goal to goal run through the middle, the absolute screamer buried into the back of the net, or the bone-breaking tackle that lets all the other teams know not to f**k with the Central Coast. But if you don't have a team (way more than just the other 10 guys on the field) around that player you're screwed.
As for the future we need to ensure that the youth team has the potential to step and do the job (as they've been doing at Sydney and Newcastle) - what does everyone think about the Grant kiddie from Sydney, I thought he close to best on ground in their match. Coaches need to identify those areas of concern and fix them - that is what they are paid for.
I'm not going to say who to get rid of. I'm not the coach and it's pointless getting rid of someone if you don't have a replacement ready to go. Better the devil you know ...
Been a great thread to read so far.
After the Melbourne match it's clear we're lacking self-belief. Someone needs to step up and take the game by the scruff of the neck and shake the living christ out of it. You'd normally think the captain might do that but I don't think Wilko is up to it. For my money D-Mac is the one who could do it closely followed by Sasho. As I said earlier we need a marquee for the touches of brilliance that will inspire the whole team. Whether that be the last ditch piece of defending, the goal to goal run through the middle, the absolute screamer buried into the back of the net, or the bone-breaking tackle that lets all the other teams know not to f**k with the Central Coast. But if you don't have a team (way more than just the other 10 guys on the field) around that player you're screwed.
As for the future we need to ensure that the youth team has the potential to step and do the job (as they've been doing at Sydney and Newcastle) - what does everyone think about the Grant kiddie from Sydney, I thought he close to best on ground in their match. Coaches need to identify those areas of concern and fix them - that is what they are paid for.
I'm not going to say who to get rid of. I'm not the coach and it's pointless getting rid of someone if you don't have a replacement ready to go. Better the devil you know ...
Been a great thread to read so far.
That's the catch-22 isn't it? It's a fine line to tread - create a viable pool of players in the youth that you can nurture and hopefully retain, while attracting quality senior talent that will create the success on the park; thereby encouraging the up and comers to remain.
Nobody said it would be easy.
I seem to remember an old phrase about not putting all your eggs in one basket.
Nobody said it would be easy.
I seem to remember an old phrase about not putting all your eggs in one basket.
Part_Timer
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keensy said:QFTBearinator said:Yeah, the ref
as i didnt do anything single handedly....team razzle dazzle is a two man partnership
agree
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