"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

[true believer]

so queensland would have returned to surplus with the return of revenue. you’ve answered your own question ,again.
i have no idea about qlds desal plant .but maybe the pooh shooter can get you a better deal on the next 4 or 5 that your gunna build.

in saying that governments have got private industry to build infrastructure , then allowed them to charge a toll for that since greasy griener was premier of nsw. i don't believe in this system .i believe governments should borrow money, get what they need built. then the government should charge the toll.
but then libs start whining about government debt. so we get infrastructure dictated by business lobby groups . these groups contain former government ministers labor and liberal such as bruce baird and co.
against public servents it's lambs to the slaughter.

whats next Ripley

 

[marvin]

so queensland would have returned to surplus with the return of revenue. you’ve answered your own question ,again.
i have no idea about qlds desal plant .but maybe the pooh shooter can get you a better deal on the next 4 or 5 that your gunna build.

in saying that governments have got private industry to build infrastructure , then allowed them to charge a toll for that since greasy griener was premier of nsw. i don't believe in this system .i believe governments should borrow money, get what they need built. then the government should charge the toll.
but then libs start whining about government debt. so we get infrastructure dictated by business lobby groups . these groups contain former government ministers labor and liberal such as bruce baird and co.
against public servents it's lambs to the slaughter.

whats next Ripley

I asked you HOW would they return to surplus, I never answered that, the lost revenue from selling the coal haulage business and freight network and the increased expenditure of the corrupt desalination deal.
I have pointed out the borrowed money will have interest and Queensland will suffer if we don't pay our debts, so with the added expense and the lost revenue how do you balance the books if your not going to cut costs ?
How can the budget return to surplus if it was relying on profit from public assets and before Liberal got in charge a desalination plant was built and signed with a contract forcing the government to buy water even when it's not needed.

Your point about the budget returning to surplus does not add up.

in saying that governments have got private industry to build infrastructure , then allowed them to charge a toll for that since greasy griener was premier of nsw. i don't believe in this system .i believe governments should borrow money, get what they need built. then the government should charge the toll.

Finally something we agree on !

Why did labor sign a contract saying they would buy water from the desalination for 20-30 years, even when they don't need it ?

Was that in Australia's interests in Victoria, Sydney and Queensland ?

Was labor selling NSW power for bellow the recommended value on the last night of parliament, acting in NSW interests ?

If labor has the peoples interests at heart why do they do things like this?

If Labor had thought about the deal, they could have come to the conclusion that when the dam is above 60% they can put the plant into idle, meaning the wind farms built to supply energy to these plants to go into the grid.

But instead even if you turn the plant off your still paying even if it's not producing water because it's in a contract !

 

[true believer]

Finally something we agree on !

so you agree governments should borrow to build infrastructure and support the economy

Why did labor sign a contract saying they would buy water from the desalination for 20-30 years, even when they don't need it ?

that would have been the contract .are you going to acknowledge that SEQ water was 21% and nsw at 30%. yes or no

do you think anyone would have biult these things without a need? not the alan jones version please.

egan wanted to sell electricy for 15 billion and got rolled .rosentol wanted to give it away in the dying days. he should be hung for what he did . the labor left would supply the rope. shit i'd even tie the knott.

 

[marvin]

so you agree governments should borrow to build infrastructure and support the economy

Never said borrowing should not happen, we agree on the desalination plant should be operated by the government not a private industry


that would have been the contract .are you going to acknowledge that SEQ water was 21% and nsw at 30%. yes or no

I acknowledge that SEQ water was 21% and nsw at 30%,

But that doesn't excuse a contract making us buy the water even if the dam is full, if the contract had to be signed it should have been we will buy when we need the water, when we don't need the water we don't buy the water.

Are you saying when we don't need the water we should still be buying it ?

do you think anyone would have biult these things without a need? not the alan jones version please.

I have already stated im happy they were built, BUT why should we still be paying until 2020-30 for non-stop water we may not need ?

It's kind of odd how Queensland, Victoria and NSW all under a labor government signed a contract till 2020/30 for supply of water, even if the dams are full they still need to pay,
According to Labor each state is separate and separated again from federal politics, so it's just a coincidence they all signed a contract along the same lines ?


egan wanted to sell electricy for 15 billion and got rolled .rosentol wanted to give it away in the dying days. he should be hung for what he did . the labor left would supply the rope. shit i'd even tie the knott.

Even though the people didn't want it to be sold, they tried to push it through on the LAST NIGHT of parliament, Barry got more than the original deal, so does that mean he is a better negotiator or Labor just didn't feel like taking the extra money ?

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I asked you HOW would Queensland return to surplus, I never answered that, the lost revenue from selling the coal haulage business and freight network and the increased expenditure of the corrupt desalination deal.
I have pointed out the borrowed money will have interest and Queensland will suffer if they don't pay their debts, so with the added expense and the lost revenue how do you balance the books if your not going to cut costs ?
How can the budget return to surplus if it was relying on profit from public assets and before Liberal got in charge a desalination plant was built and signed with a contract forcing the government to buy water even when it's not needed.

So im confused how increasing expenditure and decreasing income will automatically put the budget back into surplus, from what I was taught if your spending more than you earn you will eventually have nothing, I guess that doesn't apply for governments.

 

[true believer]

so you can't borrow but you want the government to own it,,,,ok 2+2= ?

ok so which company will build the desal plants without a revenue stream ? as above

it should have never been sold . barry is as bad as rosentol as where fast finding out

people back at work = more money . the coal haulage business is something your on about it's not qld only revenue source .but i wouldn't have sold it either.


but once again.big picture. just remeber how quick c.newman will remind qld of joe and the white shoe brigade

 

[marvin]

so you can't borrow but you want the government to own it,,,,ok 2+2= ?

As I said I don't have any problem with borrowing, stop chucking words in I didn't say.

ok so which company will build the desal plants without a revenue stream ? as above

Um, off course they are going to need a profit, but getting someone build it and than letting a company make a profit from running it are two different things

it should have never been sold . barry is as bad as rosentol as where fast finding out

Let he sold it for the recommended price, agreed it should never have been sold, at least we got the recommended price this time unlike labor getting A LOT LESS. So that least barry was getting the most out of a stupid idea where labor was getting the minimum out of a stupid idea.

people back at work = more money . the coal haulage business is something your on about it's not qld only revenue source .but i wouldn't have sold it either.

But it was one of the major revenue sources and if you take it away than you lose revenue correct ?
So if you just lost revenue and you don't want to cut costs does that mean your now have less money in the budget ?


but once again. big picture. just remeber how quick c.newman will remind qld of joe and the white shoe brigade

Newman has been sticking up for the people, he told the coal industry to get lost when they wanted to expand over a farms, farms produce food, good work Newman, first person to connect the dots, even liberal don't support farms, first person in ages to stand up for the little people.
He is cutting costs to help repay for the floods, the selling of assets leading to less revenue, desalination plant that flew over the budget that he is paying for until 2020/30, in a perfect world were money grew on trees what Newman is doing would be stupid, but in a realistic world that we live in he is doing what is necessary to survive, in the global economy.

When Newman gets the budget back on track watch how long labor are on the sidelines in queensland for, im calling it now, Liberal to be in charge in Queensland until Newman retires.

 

[marvin]

I can't believe I left this point out,

The recent federal budget has stated revenue from GST will be taken away from QLD, Western Australia and Victoria.

So lost revenue from GST, lost revenue from from selling public assets and increased expenditure from things such as the desalination plant and your still convinced the Queensland budget will go back into surplus when the flood damage is over ?

So after rethinking your statement, are you still certain the budget would go back into surplus or have you decided there are other ways to cut expenditure ?

 

[true believer]

umm yeah absolutely . pooh shooter got the worlds laziest treasurer up there to cook the books.
the same way he did in 96 by not paying the LAW tax cut that was rescheduled as 3% more super. he kept the money then payed the so called debt with keatings money.
anytime the queensland or WA premiers want to whine about GST money. they should pay NSW back (with interest) the billions that was use to subsidized them for years

 

[marvin]

umm yeah absolutely . pooh shooter got the worlds laziest treasurer up there to cook the books.
the same way he did in 96 by not paying the LAW tax cut that was rescheduled as 3% more super. he kept the money then payed the so called debt with keatings money.
anytime the queensland or WA premiers want to whine about GST money. they should pay NSW back (with interest) the billions that was use to subsidized them for years

That dodges my point I was making,

After all this that has happened in Queensland the budget will instantly return to surplus, Im still confused how this can happen considering even when they are paying back the debt they are still dealing with interest.

I mean I can see how you would think if everything stayed the same it would return to surplus but the fact is it has not stayed the same and cuts need to be made.

 

[marvin]

On the news,

Retired labor member going to jail for corruption, at least she denied it for a couple of years before confessing.

 

[true believer]

On the news,

Retired labor member going to jail for corruption, at least she denied it for a couple of years before confessing.

yes she'll have the cell next to the shop lifting senator

 

[true believer]

That dodges my point I was making,

After all this that has happened in Queensland the budget will instantly return to surplus, Im still confused how this can happen considering even when they are paying back the debt they are still dealing with interest.

I mean I can see how you would think if everything stayed the same it would return to surplus but the fact is it has not stayed the same and cuts need to be made.

no i've covered most things . newman's a return to the white shoe brigade . welcome back to the 50's

 

[marvin]

no i've covered most things . newman's a return to the white shoe brigade . welcome back to the 50's

So to confirm money grows on trees is your argument ?

Because lost revenue and more expenditure does not effect the budget

 

[marvin]

yes she'll have the cell next to the shop lifting senator

And she can have a nice chat with Thompson and when Thompson gets bored he will be able to chat with slipper.

I think they have a nice set up.

 

[true believer]

So to confirm money grows on trees is your argument ?

Because lost revenue and more expenditure does not effect the budget

thats your opnion ,your entitled to that.so were the queensland people who were entitled to be told before the election ,that today he's gunna sack 3,000 health workers. lets face it .this has nothing to do with his budget and everything to do with his ideology. whats next? does homosexulaity becoming ilegal as well as abortion.
welcome to qld it's 1958 every day in the white shoe state

 

[true believer]

And she can have a nice chat with Thompson and when Thompson gets bored he will be able to chat with slipper.

I think they have a nice set up.

don't know about thompson .but ashby will diffinately do time . farmer will be lucky to survive as well.
indeed shouldn’t peter Reith have done time for allowing his son to run amuck on his ministerial credit card?
Or sophie panopolis mirablea .who is facing a prosecution by the howard family for defrauding their geriatric father . Shall I go on?

 

[marvin]

thats your opnion ,your entitled to that.so were the queensland people who were entitled to be told before the election ,that today he's gunna sack 3,000 health workers. lets face it .this has nothing to do with his budget and everything to do with his ideology. whats next? does homosexulaity becoming ilegal as well as abortion.
welcome to qld it's 1958 every day in the white shoe state

Okay,

I guess we will not know the true extent to what he is doing until Tuesday.

 

[marvin]

Alright Barry get out of Parliament you idiot !

Slash education than give himself a pay rise.

He is no better than Labor and Labor can't do anything right.

He is doing things I like, but ffs going back on his word about selling assets and giving himself a pay rise is enough to sack him.

Newman and Colin Barnett are the only good leaders going around atm, how sad.

 

[midfielder]

Wonders aloud if Kevin 07 .... is ready to strike soon....

 

[marvin]

Every day Barry loses more and more supporters.