Hall of Fame

[kevrenor]

10 years service to be eligible for consideration.

I'll make a note in my diary for May 2015

 

[dibo]

Players who've played for the Mariners and their nation's first team (* if while with the Mariners):
Fergie, Beauchamp*, Mori, Vidmar, Petrovski, Pondeljak, Mrdja*, Aloisi*, Hutch*, Simon*, Heffernan*, Elrich, McGlinchey*, Bosnich, Jedinak*, Ceccoli, Sterjovski, Rogic*, Ryan*.

 

[adz]

This would obviously be senior international representation, but would friendlies be included?

I think in our case I'd call it highest level of domestic competition, e.g. A-League, Bundesliga, J-League, EPL, etc.

 

[Big Al]

Here's my model - 3 levels of membership - I've added the nippers level as it coast lingo - If not then make it tough & only have one or two members - Keeps AM happy as makes it more relevant over time.

Legend Status - Lawrie & Arnie - highest award possible
Club Men - Maybe not the prettiest or most successful but Yellow & Blue through & through
Nippers - Would have been legends - They learnt to walk with us & run Overseas - Mile, Matty Ryan,

 

[Atomic]

SFC have just announced the innagrual members in their Hall of Fame...
http://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...ral-hall-of-fame/story-e6frf4gl-1227265325316

I'd definitely put Hutch and Lawrie in ours. I'd be a fan of putting Arnie in as well. As for any others... well I can see arguements for and against (including Arnie)... but the induction of Hutch and Lawrie is a no-brainer.

 

[sydmariner]

Is it too early to put simon, kwas & wilko in

 

[Atomic]

Is it too early to put simon, kwas & wilko in

It's debatable whether any of them deserve to be in there in the first place.

 

[sydmariner]

Isn't simon our all-time top scorer

 

[Atomic]

Isn't simon our all-time top scorer

He's also our all-time top misser of simple chances... or is that Kwas, your other suggestion from the Hall of Fame?

 

[Wombat]

Definitely Kwassie......for most missed shots.

Gumpy is my nomination.

I'd also second Lawrie and Hutcho.

 

[Atomic]

For all his flaws, Kwassie had some insanely brilliant moments… something Simon lacked.

 

[dibo]

Gumprecht? If we're going to pick players with only 60-odd games that most of our fans won't remember, I don't know how you don't pick Pondeljak.

 

[dibo]

FFS - even Bernie played more games here. A hall of fame has to be about the greats, not a player who was well-liked, or we're going to have heaps of players in there.

 

[sydmariner]

For all his flaws, Kwassie had some insanely brilliant moments… something Simon lacked.

plus apart from 1 season @ nix & loan in china he's been with the club 9 of the 10 season as a player & works with the club

 

[Atomic]

plus apart from 1 season @ nix & loan in china he's been with the club 9 of the 10 season as a player & on the coaching staff

He left to spend a season at a rival club... that's not an insignificant factor when deciding on HoF inclusion. It doesn't necessarily rule him out, but he'd have to be something very special to warrant inclusion... which he's not.

Also, to be pedantic, he is not "on the coaching staff". He is employed by the club to go around to primary schools... some sort of community engagement thing. A worthwhile endeavour, but to say he is on the coaching staff is drawing a long bow.

 

[true believer]

rose has to have a place

 

[Wombat]

Gumprecht? If we're going to pick players with only 60-odd games that most of our fans won't remember, I don't know how you don't pick Pondeljak.

Who wouldn't remember Gumpy????? Showing your ignorance again Dibo.
Lawrie lost the faith of a massive amount of fans and his job when he played games with Gumps.
Pondeljak had quality but was not a dynamic player....not a game changer. Gumps was our best player in our first two seasons.

Obviously your inflatable Hutcho doll indicates that he would get your vote.....who else gets the nod from you?

 

[dibo]

That's great satire.

 

[Atomic]

If I recall correctly, Gumps had a clause in his contract where if he played 'x' number of games, it triggered an extension, or a pay increase, or something. That's why Lawrie was not starting him towards the end of Gumps' contract bcause he (or Turnbull) didn't was to trigger that clause.

That could be complete BS of course... it may have just been an urban myth at the time but it seemed plausible to me. Like a lot of other fans, I was at a loss to understand why Gumps wasn't starting.

 

[dibo]

There was a lot of chatter about Gumps around the time that he left. If it was true, there could've been a range of factors at play (cap/budget constraints would be my #1 guess), but even if it wasn't it could've been a case of the club choosing a different direction.

*None* of that discounts the fact that there are a number of players who played a similar or greater number of games for a similar or greater contribution, and there's got to be some sort of standard set for the hall of fame other than "he played for us for a few years and fans thought he was pretty good".

If we include Gumprecht, how many of these other players would we be including (this is a list of all players with 50 or more games from here):

Name Appearances Goals
John Hutchinson 219 18
Alex Wilkinson 172 2
Matt Simon 148 41
Adam Kwasnik 136 35
Joshua Rose 132 7
Pedj Bojic 125 7
Michael McGlinchey 120 11
Danny Vukovic 104 0
Daniel McBreen 95 28
Patrick Zwaanswijk 87 11
Andrew Clark 85 0
Mathew Ryan 80 0
Bernie Ibini-Isei 77 21
Bradley Porter 74 0
Oliver Bozanic 71 3
Mitchell Duke 66 13
Dean Heffernan 65 10
André Gumprecht 63 3
Nick Montgomery 63 1
Trent Sainsbury 60 1
Matthew Osman 58 3
Zachary Anderson 57 1
Nigel Boogaard 55 2
Tom Pondeljak 55 7
Mile Sterjovski 50 4
Nicholas Fitzgerald 50 5