clarifying a small point about Roy.

[dibo]

If found guilty, minimum 2 matches.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Well it says.....

The MRP determined that the Player committed the offence of R2 – Assault on a Player (e.g. violent conduct when not challenging for the ball) against Roy O’Donovan (Central Coast Mariners). The MRP proposed a sanction of the Mandatory Match suspension plus one (1) additional Hyundai A-League match, being the minimum sanction for the offence under the Regulations. This equates to two (2) Hyundai A-League matches.

So I presume Roy will have one week plus whatever they add on for the extra naughtiness. But really the other Muscat has been banned for two weeks a couple of times for elbowing an opponent.
So really it should be two weeks for Roy.
.

I don't see your logic there - why would Muscat's sentence indicate Roy's? Just because the MRP recommended one week extra here is no indication they'll do the same to Roy. Personally I'd be extremely surprised to see less than 6 weeks. I wouldn't be surprised to see 8-10.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Throwing a deliberate elbow should equate to throwing a deliberate head butt. Roy's is worse, but only because it lands well, and Muscat goes down well. But the intention behind both is the same, with the only point of difference being that Muscat's elbow is not directly provoked and by that logic, he should actually have been given a harsher punishment. Roy should certainly not get more.

But, we know he will.

Really hoping they have some fair minded people on this who can see this incident for what it is, disgraceful by both players. But that one player was violently provoked by the other first.

However my irrational fear says they will shock everyone and suspend him for months.

 

[nebakke]

I dunno... didn't Muscat get 8 weeks or so?
Seems like Roy getting 8 would still be disproportionate.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I dunno... didn't Muscat get 8 weeks or so?
Seems like Roy getting 8 would still be disproportionate.

Kevin Muscat got 8 weeks. Manny Muscat just got two. I was referring to him.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Just rewatched it - I wonder if Roy's yellow was for his actions in the mass confrontation? At one point he put his hands near the throat of a WP player to push him away. Of course, that same player pushed/struck him in the face, it looks like it.
Can never work out why so few cards are given in these - 3-4 WP players were very aggressively pushing our players, but only 1 card is given - and even 1 card is surprising! Just seems to be that if you push somebody you're in strife - but if 4 of your mates do it too, then it's ok.
Also made it clear that the eye is right where the elbow got him (besides, how do you cut your eye by headbutting somebody with the top of your head?). Can't believe some sheepshagging tards still reckon there's no elbow. My response is that there was no headbutt either - Roy just wanted a snuggle!

I dunno... didn't Muscat get 8 weeks or so?
Seems like Roy getting 8 would still be disproportionate.

I think there's just something about headbutts that powers that be really, really don't like (and I thought Kevin Muscat's final cowardly tackle was only 5 or 6 weeks). Of course we're all guessing - and the MRP aren't known for logic behind their decisions.

 

[nebakke]

Kevin Muscat got 8 weeks. Manny Muscat just got two. I was referring to him.

Yeah i know... Sorry, could have been clearer. I meant that Kevin Muscat got 8 weeks and his action actually severely injured someone.
Roy's seemed to have the intended consequence and didn't cause anywhere near the level of harm so it seems to me that, if it was a fair and reasonable system, Roy would be looking at less than 8

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Yeah i know... Sorry, could have been clearer. I meant that Kevin Muscat got 8 weeks and his action actually severely injured someone.
Roy's seemed to have the intended consequence and didn't cause anywhere near the level of harm so it seems to me that, if it was a fair and reasonable system, Roy would be looking at less than 8

Hope you're right.

 

[elevated position]

MRP Fairness Stakes.

$1.05 for longer than 4 weeks
$1.50 for 3 weeks
$2.00 for 2 weeks
Million to 0ne exonerated



The penalties should be the same for all three people involved I.E muscat , roy and the ref.

I dont agree that only NRL fans like a stouch but just not in backplay,

 

[Pirate Pete]

I don't see your logic there - why would Muscat's sentence indicate Roy's? Just because the MRP recommended one week extra here is no indication they'll do the same to Roy. Personally I'd be extremely surprised to see less than 6 weeks. I wouldn't be surprised to see 8-10.

My point was really that Kevin Muscat has been banned at least twice for elbows to the head. Both times two weeks.
I don't really see any difference between and elbow to the head, or a head to a head. Somehow I think the FFA will though.

Kevin Muscat also got eight weeks for that horrendous challenge (assault). If Roy gets eight weeks for the headbutt then I think the whole system should be looked at.
Roy's headbutt is nowhere near as bad as the KM incident.

 

[nebakke]

My point was really that Kevin Muscat has been banned at least twice for elbows to the head. Both times two weeks.
I don't really see any difference between and elbow to the head, or a head to a head. Somehow I think the FFA will though.

I think the thing is that it's much harder to show that an elbow is deliberate, than that a headbutt is. So you end up with lesser punishment to try to ensure that you don't inadvertently hit someone relatively innocent, with a very harsh sentense.
In this case, I would tend to agree with you... Looking at the slow-mo gif from the other day, I think it's fairly clear that Manny Muscat intended to elbow Roy in the head with the second elbow - even if he didn't get him as good as he wished.
With that, I think his act is just as low as Roy's... Certainly I don't think there's anything inherently less violent in it, just because it's an elbow... Same risk of breaking something.
But once that's said, I can't blame the MRP for not wanting to put that on him, just because it looks like he meant it, doesn't necessarily mean that he did - and the discussion in the media has focused almost exclusively on the headbutt, so there's more damage done to the game from that... I would've liked more than a couple of weeks for Muscat tbh, but I can understand how it ended at that and I'm just happy that it came out as more than what Matty got last week, for example.

 

[true believer]

I think the formula for the mrp is 2 weeks for the offence + 4 weeks for being a mariners player

 

[nebakke]

I think the formula for the mrp is 2 weeks for the offence + 4 weeks for being a mariners player

Heh... N'yeah... I tend to not buy into the whole conspiracy thing though Look at the Yellow Fever forum... They've been going on for days, about how Muscat was probably going to get 4-6 weeks, just because he's a Phoenix player, while Roy'd probably be getting 2 - tops - because the FFA hates them.
We - rightly so - have been feeling hard done by this season as well, so who would the FFA hate more?

Even more so, Muscat got 2 weeks, so they weren't that harsly treated, but it doesn't seem to change anyone's opinion... Football's a funny thing

Looking at the rules, I assume that much the same rules apply for the punishments for the disciplinary committee... Muscat got the red-card-ban plus a week, because that was the minimum offence for attacking another player in an off-the-ball incident.
That being the case, I think it'd be a questionable call to give roy much more than four weeks, that's three times the additional penalty that Muscat got, assuming that they're looking at the same clause... But as Cap'n pointed out, we're really all talking through our a**es till this afternoon

 

[true believer]

The FFA aren't nix , mariners nor west wankers fans

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Wasn't the MRP meeting this afternoon? Can't find any results yet.

 

[rbakersmith]

8 weeks apparently.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Thanks RBS.

Well no one can be too surprised. Enough to keep all those baying for his blood relatively happy - better than the rest of season, but almost as good as.

Roy had a moment of provoked and very bad violence. But Muscat was not provoked and is a total grub. Always has been. Always will be.

 

[nebakke]

Thanks RBS.

Well no one can be too surprised. Enough to keep all those baying for his blood relatively happy - better than the rest of season, but almost as good as.

Roy had a moment of provoked and very bad violence. But Muscat was not provoked and is a total grub. Always has been. Always will be.

I still think it's complete rubbish to give him the same punishment as Kevin Muscat got, but what do I know?...

Anyway, at least now we know.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Perhaps it's more that Muscat's should have been longer - a deliberate attempt to end somebody's career.

It's funny how Serious Foul Play - which usually has the potential to break somebody's leg - is typically given 1-2 weeks, 3 if it's really nasty, yet violent acts which are much less likely to cause ongoing harm are given much less - and it's funny that as a society, that's kind of what we tend to expect.