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Charlesworth, Shaun, Okon public forum at CCL. Friday 27 Jan

dibo

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??? That's what we have been doing for a while now. Waiting for the new TV deal.

What about the whole "don't care about results, just play attractive football" bullshit?

We have already proved we can match it with anyone given a fair go.....well....give us a fair go now!
The idea of "happy to be here" hasn't been put as a permanent thing - it's been pretty clearly put as "what needs to happen whilst we build a sustainable club. To have a successful future, we must *have* a future.

Enough is enough. New TV deal, let's start spending.
We belong at the top.
The TV deal is sorted with Fox, but not with FTA, and neither the salary cap nor the club distributions from FFA have been set.

We literally don't know how much money we will be getting nor how much we need to be competitive. In that context, we'd be *bonkers* to be committing to deals that go into the new rights period. We don't know if we're going to be massively high-balling or low-balling our offers to people, we don't know if the resulting squad standard is going to be competitive based on what others will be able to spend.

There's far too much that we don't know to go "let's start spending". And that's before we get to the fact that we're still operating on the distributions from the current deal.

Shock horror club owner in "I want more money" outburst

What he conveniently forgets is that every other club gets the same increase. In relative terms we will be no more competitive than we are now. What he really wants is to have us cost him no money.
Where we are on the ladder doesn't bother him (as he keeps saying)
Yes, everyone else gets the same increase. But if the increase in distributions (over and above the cap) mean we no longer need to spend the floor to avoid making recurrent losses, then (marquees aside) we will improve significantly compared to others.

I'm not sure that other clubs are going to race to spend f**kloads more money though. On average, the league's clubs lose >$20m a year, so if we're losing $1m a year, that means most clubs are losing more than us. They might be more likely than us to use the extra money to consolidate their positions, and the cap situation means that they've got less room to grow.

There was that story from Tom Smithies comparing clubs' spends last year, and it said we were spending about 90% of the salary cap and City were spending about 120% (thanks to various sponsorship agreements and whatnot that allow additional spending). But City were maxed out - they couldn't spend any more on their cap players.

If the new deal gives us a 30% increase in the cap, and we go merely from spending 90% to 100%, and City stays maxed at 120%, it does interesting things to average salaries.

Our average salary (split across 23 players) goes up by 44%. Theirs goes up by 30%. We won't *close* the gap, but it narrows. They go from offering nearly 50% more per player to only offering 30%.

It won't put us at the top, but unless we find another $3m a season we're not competing with City on wages. We really need another $1.5m or so to be able to get marquees and match the other clubs, but it's really hard to see where that sort of money comes from. But that's where investors need to be attracted to the club.

With the COE plans and the stadium plans, we're actually going to need bucketloads of capital going forward. But those things raise the potential of a future where the football club's able to be sheltered somewhat against fluctuating fortunes on the field. The development plans make the football club more attractive and the football club makes the development plans more attractive.

If the football club's bleeding red ink and there are doubts over its future, none of it works. If the football operations are breaking even, the odds of an investor (rather than donor) coming through who wants to partner to do the development work increases massively, and there might actually be some serious progress.
 

tim...

Well-Known Member
Shock horror club owner in "I want more money" outburst

What he conveniently forgets is that every other club gets the same increase. In relative terms we will be no more competitive than we are now. What he really wants is to have us cost him no money.
Where we are on the ladder doesn't bother him (as he keeps saying)
"As he keeps saying"?

I know you think I 'drink the kool-aid' but in all honesty, when was the last time MC was quoted as saying that? I haven't seen it mentioned or reported on since last season. I don't mind you hanging him by his own words but at least bring them up to currency, instead of using something long ago buried.

As for "what he really wants is to have us cost him no money"... why are you even bothering to paint that as a negative? He majority owns an asset he'd like to see break even - or even provide him with profit. After four years of turmoil surely that's a good thing?

As FP said he's hardly an angel, but he's not the devil either.
 

Big Al

Well-Known Member
He now has people running the club and team who know what they are doing.

Just give it time for Shaun and Paulo to work there magic within the financial restraints afforded.

I Know we all sceptical but we now have a coach who can coach and cares (maybe not the best but certainly willing and able), so while patience sucks we just have to ride out this season and see what Paulo can deliver for next year. If the progress is as good as this year we will be back in the finals.

Shaun also showing what a plan looks like, people will bitch no matter what (can't please everyone ) but now we have a plan for revenue outside of sponsorship and ticket sales (which will never be enough).

Without the Mariners those investments don't realise the same value so there is a benefit to both
 

midfielder

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My questions are ... they maybe answered in the presentation.

Mike we have been through two years of self induced pain. As a group we are largely supportive as the light at the end of the tunnel has always been what we can create.

Therefore can you outline when you see the Coast having a competitive team and what is the plan to get there ??

Second question is an update on the Stadium and CEO ??
 

tim...

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Therefore can you outline when you see the Coast having a competitive team and what is the plan to get there ??

Second question is an update on the Stadium and CEO ??
I rate that first question.

Can I presume the last one is COE, not CEO? Don't think Shaun's going anywhere soon!
 

pjennings

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People keep saying this but who?

Who?

Honestly, list some names. And they need to actually invest, not just say they are willing to.

(for clarity, I'm referring to the second half of the sentence - I totally agree we are a valuable asset)

Singleton and Denny have made similar noises about investing in and around the waterfront. Maybe the stadium re-development is a way to bring in investors to the club.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/b2964d4d14ce49e43dd36a0d60a80888
 

style_cafe

Well-Known Member
People keep saying this but who?

Who?

Honestly, list some names. And they need to actually invest, not just say they are willing to.

(for clarity, I'm referring to the second half of the sentence - I totally agree we are a valuable asset)

They`ve been named plenty of times Timmah
Singleton,the Russians & the Chinese!!! :popcorn:
 

tim...

Well-Known Member
Singleton and Denny have made similar noises about investing in and around the waterfront. Maybe the stadium re-development is a way to bring in investors to the club.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/b2964d4d14ce49e43dd36a0d60a80888
'In and around the waterfront' - sure... but we're referring to the Central Coast Mariners Football Club.

As I said in the first place, I can't see that there's anyone willing AND able to take on the Mariners as an asset.
 

Fishsdad

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The Central Coast Mariners will be hosting a Members Forum at Central Coast Leagues Club on Friday January 27. Mariners’ Owner, Mike Charlesworth, CEO Shaun Mielekamp and Head Coach Paul Okon will address the Members and be available for questioning on the night. Doors open at 6:00pm in the Scenic Room of the Leagues Club. For any further questions please contact the club on 4353 7200.

Never been to one of these before but hoping to make it along on Friday. Am I correct in assuming that the forum will kick of ~6.30pm (rather than 6pm when the doors open)? From past experience how long do these forum's go for? (I'll need to leave ~7.30).

Any advice from the regular attendees would be appreciated.
 

Pirate Pete

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Never been to one of these before but hoping to make it along on Friday. Am I correct in assuming that the forum will kick of ~6.30pm (rather than 6pm when the doors open)? From past experience how long do these forum's go for? (I'll need to leave ~7.30).

Any advice from the regular attendees would be appreciated.

I've been to a couple. I can't really remember the exact time, but I know I got to them for the advertised time and there was a bit of sitting around waiting.
Peter Turnbull was at the bar and I asked if he was shouting everyone. No.
If you have to leave at 7.30 I think you'll be missing some of it. They tend to go on a bit once it starts.

Hopefully I can get there by 6.30, but it'll be pushing it.
 

Fishsdad

Well-Known Member
If you have to leave at 7.30 I think you'll be missing some of it. They tend to go on a bit once it starts.

Thanks for the advice Pirate. I hate the idea of walking out "halfway through'' a meeting like this, so not sure if I'll come along. If I do attend I'll sit right at the back so when I leave it won't look like I'm walking out in protest :(.
 

nebakke

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the advice Pirate. I hate the idea of walking out "halfway through'' a meeting like this, so not sure if I'll come along. If I do attend I'll sit right at the back so when I leave it won't look like I'm walking out in protest :(.

It's usually a pretty relaxed atmosphere in that sense I think, so I wouldn't bother too much about having to go... The last one at the League's club at least, people were regularly getting up to grab a beer or go to the men's room or whatever, so I'd go with the second option - and sit at the back or to the side... The more the merrier ;)
 

tim...

Well-Known Member
Apart from the people who have you mean?
I thought we were talking about potential investors, not previous ones?

And if previous ones are interested, where is their interest - have they publicised as such or better still, reached out to Mike?
 

Pirate Pete

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the advice Pirate. I hate the idea of walking out "halfway through'' a meeting like this, so not sure if I'll come along. If I do attend I'll sit right at the back so when I leave it won't look like I'm walking out in protest :(.

No signing this week and you'll be leading the walk out.
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
I thought we were talking about potential investors, not previous ones?

And if previous ones are interested, where is their interest - have they publicised as such or better still, reached out to Mike?

The point is plenty of investors were interested before. We are not currently on the market but with the half built "centre of quite good" to sweeten the deal....we are a very sweet fish to catch.

Mike needs to switch on and sharpen up or f**k right off.

He has made alot out of the Federal Govt already and will make alot out of the state Govt if he gets his wish to develop central coast stadium.
Yes he has put some money in.....thats what you do when you buy a business. Most people then improve the current business not destroy it.
I dont know if he once gave you a cabcharge docket or something Timmah but the man has destroyed a successful and proud club.
He talks alot but achieves little.
Lets see if he can salvage this season with some solid signings or if he will continue to play the slum landlord card.
 
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tim...

Well-Known Member
The point is plenty of investors were interested before. We are not currently on the market but with the half built "centre of quite good" to sweeten the deal....we are a very sweet fish to catch.

Mike needs to switch on and sharpen up or f**k right off.

He has made alot out of the Federal Govt already and will make alot out of the state Govt if he gets his wish to develop central coast stadium.
Yes he has put some money in.....thats what you do when you buy a business. Most people then improve the current business not destroy it.
I dont know if he once gave you a cabcharge docket or something Timmah but the man has destroyed a successful and proud club.
He talks alot but achieves little.
Lets see if he can salvage this season with some solid signings or if he will continue to play the slum landlord card.
So many contradictions... where to even start?

- if plenty of investors were interested before, why did the majority ownership end up falling to Mike?
- your next line derides the CoE for shits and gigs but then admits we're a sweet fish to catch? Is he a slum landlord or has he invested in some fairly sweet digs? Make up your mind.
- It's fanciful at this point to think if Mike "f**ks right off" that there's anyone willing to take us on. Newcastle ended up under FFA rule for what, nearly a year? More? I'm not even sure the FFA would acquire us in that scenario now anyway. Easier for them to cut and run. Outside the Nix, we're the most expendable resource in the HAL.
- "Most people then improve the current business, not destroy it" - how has the well-worn but very true line not sunk in yet - without him, the club would've been gone. On the way to the 2013 championship the club was in a deep hole financially, there's no escaping that. He's spent the best part of the last 3-4 years trying to narrow the loss-making gap the club has. That's meant belt-tightening. It's shithouse and I hate what it's done to us on the field (among some poor decision making, yes of course) but it kept the yellow and navy in existence. If the alternative is no club then the pain is worth it.

He's in no way perfect, he's made some bad calls, but he hasn't destroyed the club.
 

adz

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Is it me or are we forever going around in circles with these arguments?
 

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