Central Coast Mariners Squad for 2009/10 HAL Season

[NTFC]

Hi

Yes, I'm another one of Central Coast Mariners ever growing Northampton fan base! We get Australian football on sky and I have been following you for a while because of the Pedj Bojic connection. You look like a good set of fans. Pedj was an ok player for us, he worked his arse off and was learning a lot before I think he had problems with his work permit. He still looks a very raw player though and not in the same class of a lot of the better Aussie players.

I see you have signed Chris Doig too. He is a solid player with good heading skills. A proper old fashioned defender if you like. The main problem is his injury record and his pace, which means he gets found out against quick opposition. He wears his heart on his sleeve which many fans appreciate.

All the best in the upcoming season and I hope you beat the embarrasingly named Brisbane Roar haha

 

[Bex]

Thanks for that NTFC. Damn it, another slow defender. I was really hoping we might find some pace in defence with some of our new players. Oh well, hopefully experience and positioning will make up for the lack of pace 'cos Wilko certainly hasn't got it either.

 

[midfielder]

Bex

Very true that pace comment ..or should I say lack of.

 

[Jocwa08]

vidmar lacked pace but always seemed to get them
i think its determination.
is it true the cap is now 2,250,000

 

[dibo]

vidmar lacked pace but always seemed to get them
i think its determination.
is it true the cap is now 2,250,000

fox sports reported some time ago that the salary cap has hit $2.1 million. if ASAs go on top of that, add 25% - $2.65 million.

If we're splitting that between 23 players, that comes to $91,304.34 or $114,130.43 with ASAs.

If we sign a marquee and an u/23 marquee (thus taking two players out of the cap, and leaving only 21 inside), we can spend $100,000 or $125,000 per player.

I think the youth marquee setup has been changed too, so you can sign up to three players using $150k outside the cap (which is kinda odd, because it means you can actually sign three kids outside the cap without paying them much more than a minimum wage each). If you've got a marquee as well, that means you've got 4 players outside the cap, leaving only 19 inside. That boosts the average wage to $110,526.31 or $138,157.89 with ASAs.

The lesson from this is simple - if you've got the wherewithal to sign up the marquees and you're attractive enough to get ASAs in as well then you get a massive jump. Marquees boost the wages of every other player.

From a basic average wage of $91,304.34 up to $138,157.89 is a big jump. If someone gets offered 51% more money elsewhere, they're going to think about taking it.

If it's true that we're struggling to pay even the full cap, then we're going to be doing well not to struggle badly this year.

 

[TheBlingIsDead]

Thanks for that NTFC. Damn it, another slow defender. I was really hoping we might find some pace in defence with some of our new players. Oh well, hopefully experience and positioning will make up for the lack of pace 'cos Wilko certainly hasn't got it either.

Lucas Neill is slow, Craig Moore is slow, and Beechy was slow at the back for us. Defending isn't about speed, Heff and Bojic have some pace but it doesn't make them great defenders. I think the key elements of a great defender are
    - Ability to read the pattern of play
    - Timing in challenges
    - A good first touch
    - Accurate distribution
    - Strong
    - Good in the air

 

[Wombat]

Bit worried to hear he doesn't have much pace but if you read the game properly it doesn't have to be a major problem (John Terry etc).
His other attributes sound perfect and exactly what we needed.

 

[jaypee]

Is Sterj, good player that he is, going to add bums on seats or generate publicity?

not enough to cover the reported salary IMHO

Agree - part of forking out any money for a marquee must mean bums on seats..... and plenty of them.... not something Sterj would do here

The other part is being an awesome player, and adding to the team. Which he will easily do. Worth 2 dwights for me

Umm not convinced - yes he's a good player but he isn't going to play in the centre of the park (the area we are lacking in)..... So no don't think he's worth two Dwights as they play different positions. He's a wide right player - an area we have players...... Our issue is the spine (CB, CM) and seeing we have signed a CB we now need a CM...... Sterj ain't that....

 

[Roy Law]

A central defender who has good heading skills but lacks pace - thought we had a couple of those already. Archie will be scared

 

[Jesus]

vidmar lacked pace but always seemed to get them
i think its determination.
is it true the cap is now 2,250,000

fox sports reported some time ago that the salary cap has hit $2.1 million. if ASAs go on top of that, add 25% - $2.65 million.

If we're splitting that between 23 players, that comes to $91,304.34 or $114,130.43 with ASAs.

If we sign a marquee and an u/23 marquee (thus taking two players out of the cap, and leaving only 21 inside), we can spend $100,000 or $125,000 per player.

I think the youth marquee setup has been changed too, so you can sign up to three players using $150k outside the cap (which is kinda odd, because it means you can actually sign three kids outside the cap without paying them much more than a minimum wage each). If you've got a marquee as well, that means you've got 4 players outside the cap, leaving only 19 inside. That boosts the average wage to $110,526.31 or $138,157.89 with ASAs.

The lesson from this is simple - if you've got the wherewithal to sign up the marquees and you're attractive enough to get ASAs in as well then you get a massive jump. Marquees boost the wages of every other player.

From a basic average wage of $91,304.34 up to $138,157.89 is a big jump. If someone gets offered 51% more money elsewhere, they're going to think about taking it.

If it's true that we're struggling to pay even the full cap, then we're going to be doing well not to struggle badly this year.

Except that there is no longer the 25% for service agreements. This was reduced i remember reading, from 500k, down to 250k i believe, with the other250k going into the salary cap

 

[fruitbat]

And the transfer fee SHOULD have bought some exceptional talent.

As for using the transfer fee for running costs-how did management plan on paying these if they didnt get this windfall? With bottletops????

I dont know the financial details, nor do you, but if it is true that there is no money to spend then we are in trouble if other clubs are able to buy good players and we cant.

If we dont even have enough money to reach the salary cap while other clubs do, then perhaps the club is not financially viable.

You totaly have no idea. Jedinak's 'windfall' would have been used to minimise the loses incured during the ACL. If you remember Adelaide lost a major amount of dosh in a successful campaign which has lead to their current position.

Thank God for the forsight of our club because we more than likely would not be afforded the same graces as Adelaide.

As for their signing RB it is being funded by the FFA.

As for racisim, we certainly do not need you (FB) assuming that other people have a race issue especially within the playing ranks. Rumors are easily started and painfully ended.

Do you know for a fact that it has been used in this way?

What would management have used to cover these costs had they not had this windfall?

Read the posts again-ethnicity isnt a factor for me. Paulo pointed out very early in the piece that the ranks have diverse origins and get on well.

More to the point, are YOU happy that management are scouring non-league  teams for talent, and looking over someone with a chequered histoty of 10 clubs in 10 seasons?

Gordon Ramsay had better lie low -Mckinna may ask him to try out.

 

[scottmac]

More to the point, are YOU happy that management are scouring non-league  teams for talent, and looking over someone with a chequered histoty of 10 clubs in 10 seasons?

Yes i am happy that we are looking for talent, from anywhere to be honest. We dont have the ability to do as other teams have done.

To make you feel better, why don't you check out Sydneys back line for next year ATM.

http://www.sydneyfc.com/default.aspx?s=aleague_team

Just because he has played for 10 clubs in 10 seasons does not mean is not worth looking at for us. Its just a trial.

As for the ACL costs, i don't know for fact that the fee (if we even have it all yet) was used for this purpose, but i do know that we certianly did not make any money from the ACL. The costs of travel etc etc had to be paid from somewhere.

 

[FFC Mariner]

 

[JT]

More to the point, are YOU happy that management are scouring non-league  teams for talent, and looking over someone with a chequered histoty of 10 clubs in 10 seasons?

Yes i am happy that we are looking for talent, from anywhere to be honest. We dont have the ability to do as other teams have done.

To make you feel better, why don't you check out Sydneys back line for next year ATM.

http://www.sydneyfc.com/default.aspx?s=aleague_team

Just because he has played for 10 clubs in 10 seasons does not mean is not worth looking at for us. Its just a trial.

As for the ACL costs, i don't know for fact that the fee (if we even have it all yet) was used for this purpose, but i do know that we certianly did not make any money from the ACL. The costs of travel etc etc had to be paid from somewhere.

  imo im really happy at the signings we have made so far mckinna knows what hes doing and i think he's getting the players he wants.!!![

 

[Deej]

I have family in the UK who are Northampton fans, mailed me this, hopefully he's right!

'Chris Doig has signed for Mariners from Northampton Town mate. He is a quality player and will really sort the defense out. He has been one of the better players for ages and will be missed by the Cobblers'

Hopefully he's right

 

[dibo]

[quote author=bato from SFCU]Bonnyrigg has signed the two Serbian CCM triallists for 6 week guest stints.

Apparently Lawrie wanted to see them in game situations so if the paperwork comes through they should be in the squad for BWE's game against Penrith this Saturday.

Dejan Zivkovic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejan_%C5%BDivkovi%C4%87
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9CpRyRMNw

Vukasin Ristic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy-dO_noyxQ[/quote]

 

[midfielder]

I have already posted this in the LG thread but I think it is better here.... plus I did add a bit at the end

Is my list below right for the new players signed on trial and in negotiation with.

Backs
Chris Doig (DEF CB),

Mids
Oliver Bozanic (Att  CM or LM)
Shane Huke (DEF CM),
Nick Travis (DEF CM, or Def)
Vukasin Tistic (Att  CM),
Griffiths (Att CM)

Striker
Dejan Zivkovic (Striker)

Signed.
Chris Doing, Shane Huke & Nick Travis.

On Trial with White Eagles
Vukasin Tistic, Dejan Zivkovic

In Negotiation for / with
Oliver Bozanic & Griffiths


Meaning if we sign all players this will be the run on team IMO

              Danny

Wilko    Travis  Chris Doig  Heff

Elrich    Shuke  Griffiths    Bozanic

      Matty    Dejan Zivkovic.



Bench

Goalkeeper ...Redmayne,  Nash

Backs ... Porter , Bojic, Boogs, D'Apuzzo

Mids .. Porter again Caceres, Vukasin Tistic, Kwasnik, Hutch

Strikers  Macallister, Mrdja

Total is 23 players ... and that only Danny, Wilko, Heff, Matty remain in the starting line up from the end of Hal 4... also gives us quite a strong bench.

 

[Kareem]

hmmm....
anyone else feeling a tad bit concerned that a player who to the bst of my knowledge Adelaide didnt want to keep is being proclaimed as a starter in our side...?

and secondly if Zivkovic is so good- then why is he going on trial with bonnyrigg (instead of signing straight away)- if ur starting quality there is no waiting time
NB: havent seen him play so I will definately reserve my judgement but it does seem a bit suss...?

 

[FFC Mariner]

How do you know Adelaide didnt want to keep him? Maybe he didnt want to live in the worlds 2nd most boring city?

 

[Marquee]

How do you know Adelaide didnt want to keep him? Maybe he didnt want to live in the worlds 2nd most boring city?

Haha, probably didn't want to become a piss ant.

Also Kareem I see where you are coming from, but perhaps the club are just being cautious. I.e. don't want another Merdenda, who seemed good in the trial then turned out rubbish.
Two reports from SFCU are promising.

[quote author=stevanford on SFCU]
..... The two serb players that are trialling for CCM are a class above the rest.....
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[quote author=bato on SFCU]
That's the report I got from my people there, Zivkovic, Ristic and Baldacchino where very very good......
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