Central Coast Mariners Squad for 2009/10 HAL Season

[dibo]

he's off contract (according to SFCU's contracts thread), but i don't reckon i'd want him. i'm just unconvinced. two coaches who've won championships have refused to play him, even in the midst of post championship hangovers where in theory players of his ilk would be very handy.

i think kaz (the theory) and kaz (the real-world product) are very different things.

 

[Kareem]

Is Kaz available for v5? He has bulked up a bit, and has a huge amount of creative ability from what iv seen of him

I believe he is...
I love Kaz- very sad when I heard he signed for Jets...but I honestly don't see him joining us
He owes nothing to the jets but my gripe is that maybe he isn't Mckinna's type of player ???
Not to forget this would be his 3rd club in 3 years...
I really hope we make a move for him but tbh I dont think it will happen

 

[Ted]

Maybe it's 3rd time lucky for him. The fact he has not worked out at victory or the jets does  not mean that would be the same outcome at the Mariners. He just may benefit from our style of play and thus we would benefit from his.... Then again he may be not at all suitable...

 

[Bear]

I see what your saying dibo, but look at it like this also...

V3, Kaz at melbourne, hardly gets a game, team plays shit and does not make semis

V4, Kaz at Newcastle, hardly gets a game, team plays shit and does not make semis

Im not saying he could have made a difference, but from what iv seen of him playing over those 2 years, and thats all im basing this on, I think he could bring a lot to our team. Surely as a squad member at the least?

 

[Ted]

I see what your saying dibo, but look at it like this also...

V3, Kaz at melbourne, hardly gets a game, team plays shit and does not make semis

V4, Kaz at Newcastle, hardly gets a game, team plays shit and does not make semis

Im not saying he could have made a difference, but from what iv seen of him playing over those 2 years, and thats all im basing this on, I think he could bring a lot to our team. Surely as a squad member at the least?

In his favour is the fact he is a creative midfielder, something we desperately need.

 

[Andy]

come on sterj. We need a new mile

  We wouldn't be able to afford his wage demands.

 

[brett]

I see what your saying dibo, but look at it like this also...

V3, Kaz at melbourne, hardly gets a game, team plays shit and does not make semis

V4, Kaz at Newcastle, hardly gets a game, team plays shit and does not make semis

Being purely objective, this evidence would suggest he ain't good. If he can't get a game in a good team, fair enough, but if the team is going poorly and the coach still doesn't think he is worth a run, there must be a problem. Surely a struggling coach would give him a run, like Kossie has with Gan, if the other guys couldn't cut it.

That's being objective on that evidence though.

As far as I'm concerned he's an enigma. Lawrie and the current squad atmosphere can get the best out of players, as evidenced by almost every player who has left struggling. It's like almost any player we sign is going to lift a gear. Our play is based on interceptions/tackles and quick balls forward to expose holes. Not sure that a small, technical player fits into that. But there has been times against 10 men (or against Welly away this season) when a crafty ball player was exactly what we needed. I'd probably say no to Kaz but would be very interested and intrigued if he came here.

 

[dibo]

I see what your saying dibo, but look at it like this also...

V3, Kaz at melbourne, hardly gets a game, team plays shit and does not make semis

V4, Kaz at Newcastle, hardly gets a game, team plays shit and does not make semis

Im not saying he could have made a difference, but from what iv seen of him playing over those 2 years, and thats all im basing this on, I think he could bring a lot to our team. Surely as a squad member at the least?

i see the attraction, but i think (and am happy to be corrected) we're coming at the crucial bit from different angles.

i reckon he didn't get a run in teams that had post championship hangovers and missed the finals because he's just not that good.

you reckon the teams might have missed the finals after their championships at least in part because they didn't use a good player in the squad who's shown a bit.

i agree patafta's shown a bit, but then i think players like caceres have shown a lot more in the same time, and caceres was even in the same squad as patafta and was preferred over the little pecker. i'd rather sign someone like robbie kruse, nick ward or even diego walsh (who are all also off-contract). ward in particular might be a bit pricier than we're after, and there may be a bunch of better options elsewhere.

 

[Jaza_SFC]

i reckon he didn't get a run in teams that had post championship hangovers and missed the finals because he's just not that good.

you reckon the teams might have missed the finals after their championships at least in part because they didn't use a good player in the squad who's shown a bit.

If Kaz had gone overseas and played in Birmingham City's youth squad, then been dumped, as opposed to Benfica's, there just wouldn't be this hype.

Face it, he spent two (?) years in an overseas youth system, and then they decided he clearly wasn't good enough and let him go home. If he had been worth anything to Benfica, they'd have loaned him out locally (where they knew the football standard and they could've kept an eye on him). The day he came to Australia was the day you knew he wasn't good enough for Benfica reserves, everything else is just spin.

FWIW he looks to me like he has a great first touch and that's it. Not that much creativity, certainly nothing else in his game (no pace, vicious shooting, excellent positional play, tackling ability, or just about anything), and generally looks like a player who stopped developing at 18 (as happens worldwide).

Too much hype.

 

[Bear]

I can see where both brett and dibo are coming from

I agree with some things, and disagree with others, but still believe he would be much better coming off the bench of starting for us than some of the other players wasting spots, owens, ogrady being the main ones im taking aim at

 

[brett]

I can see where both brett and dibo are coming from

I agree with some things, and disagree with others, but still believe he would be much better coming off the bench of starting for us than some of the other players wasting spots, owens, ogrady being the main ones im taking aim at

Can't argue that we need more from the 'second XI' players.

 

[dibo]

If Kaz had gone overseas and played in Birmingham City's youth squad, then been dumped, as opposed to Benfica's, there just wouldn't be this hype.

there's a flipside to this though - look at carney, who was essentially cut loose from everton and was languishing at hamilton accies who (ignoring jubal's views) are hardly a special club. he's now (bizarrely) a socceroo and erm... getting paid by if not ever actually playing for a championship club with genuine premiership ambitions.

there's an argument that come the age of 23 or so patafta might suddenly do well enough here to get a headline or two and another overseas deal and with luck a bigger transfer fee than carney earnt your lot.

[/devil's advocate]

 

[Kareem]

come on sterj. We need a new mile

  We wouldn't be able to afford his wage demands.

How much could the kid be askin for?
He is in no position to ask for anything crazy.
If we got him it would be a 1 year contract- Prove yourself.
Goes good = contract upgrade
Goes bad= end of career (or to NSWPL or Victorian PL???)
IMHO he would be a cheaper aquisition than say

robbie kruse, nick ward or even diego walsh (who are all also off-contract)

Not discrediting these suggestions- they are all good + proven players but its for that reason they would demand the $$$
I say we should buy one of those 3 to replace Gumprecht + Kaz to replace Osman
I would be happy

 

[Marquee]

All fair points being made on this topic..

The way to look at it is...

IS

Kaz > Owens ??
Kaz > Gumps ??
Kaz > Caceres ??

etc

and..

IS

Kaz > than any other bloke who we can get our hands on and.. ??
A) is coming off contract
B) is affordable for the mariners

 

[Bear]

lol at mile sterj playing NSWPL or Victorian PL

 

[Marquee]

come on sterj. We need a new mile

  We wouldn't be able to afford his wage demands.

How much could the kid be askin for?
He is in no position to ask for anything crazy.
If we got him it would be a 1 year contract- Prove yourself.
Goes good = contract upgrade
Goes bad= end of career (or to NSWPL or Victorian PL???)
IMHO he would be a cheaper aquisition than say

Kareem I think you are mistaken.

Andy is taking about sterj not patafta about the wages

 

[Andy]

Correct

 

[Jaza_SFC]

there's an argument that come the age of 23 or so patafta might suddenly do well enough here to get a headline or two and another overseas deal and with luck a bigger transfer fee than carney earnt your lot.

Oh for sure. Just because he's stagnated now doesn't mean it's all over. There are cases of things just slowing down, and it could pick right back up for him later on - he's still only 20 or so. He could be another Carney or something.

But you can't judge that. And my point is I have NFI why people are fapping over him so much. The kid has done three positive things in two years:

#1) Pre-season game with the tards v.s. Sydney. Apparently was MVFC's motm as they lost 2-1. However, it was pre-season ffs. For reference, apparently Adam Biddle was our motm that night as we won. Nuff said.

#2) Scored a goal off the bench (in to almost an open net) in a rout over WPFC (from memory) at the back end of last year. The tards wanked over it, but it was nought special.

#3) Played OK last week (in his preffered CAM role) against a Perth Glory side sporting all sorts of changes, playing with no visible DM. He had acres of space to work in, and aside from some silky touches, displayed very little end product.

From what I've seen, I can see why Merrick and GvE haven't given him games. He's got nothing on anyone like a Malik (AUFC youth) or a Gan (SFC youth), both of whom have end product at least some of the time. If he'd come from the State League, or somewhere less glamorous, no one would care about poor Kaz.

I feel sorry for him, the hype must suck.

 

[Bear]

I guess its a matter of opinion, but I believe Gan is not everything he is talked up to be either. His decision making is terrible, and aside from 1 deflected goal he has also done nothing imo. How he has kept Corica on the bench is beyond me

Would have even Owens over him in my squad any day

 

[dibo]

SFCU has an awesome page right here that i recommend people poke over when pondering options presently within the league.