CCM Fans and the club

[turbo]

But do we know Shaun was responsible in those areas?

I don’t know who is responsible for that and wasn’t suggesting it was necessarily Shaun. But it’s clear without addressing the root of those issues churning the coach won’t be enough to get us on the road to recovery.

 

[pjennings]

Exactly. But do we know Shaun was responsible in those areas?

Could be coaches, could be Phelan, could even be MC who has been making the final calls. It might all be on Shaun too, and as CEO he’ll always have to put up his hand and can never be blameless.

But hes always seemed like an honest, intelligent, hard working guy who genuinely cares about the club. So I don’t know he deserves the vitriol some are dishing out either.

I'm not blaming Shaun for the football side of things - MM needs to own that - but he needs to defend his performance in regards to membership, crowds. community engagements, sponsorship, advertising, council and media relations. These are inter-related with the football side but are still related. A poorly performing club can still be identified with by the community. If Mulvey and players don't want to be seen in Gosford or Terrigal because they are embarrassed then that is exactly when they need to be visible. They need to be showing to the community not only that they are working hard to be better but that they are hurting as much as the fans. That community focus is on Shaun.

Seeing some of the players on Friday after the game it didn't seem to hurt enough. TBH the two that seemed most gutted were Graham and Mallon. Could this be because it is too easy for some of these guys to make a living out of football in Australia. The two Sheffield boys know how hard you need to work, maybe that is something that they can pass on.

 

[Spacks]

If you're the ceo you should be held accountable.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I’ve said it a few times previously but I really believe the club had the right intentions with MM but got sold a dud. Football media was putting him forward as a candidate to bail us out too so the club weren’t the only ones to get that wrong. Still it seems strange that no one looked at Cisse for example and said ‘are you sure he’s got the pace for A league?’ And similar for some of our other signings.

Yeah agree. Cisse is on him. That’s why I think he under estimated the league.

I think weemac and Matty was most likely Monty. Matty has been a good team member but not effective as a goal scorer. Weemac has proven a very poor signing.

Hoole and Kennedy were Okon. But wish he, Nash, someone, anyone, had seen through them.

Gameiro. High risk. But i get it. But... Disaster.

McCormack - I was stoked... Disaster.

Oar... I thought was a great potential signing. Disaster. May still come good next season. But may not.

McDonald is apparently not up to level - that’s probably mostly on Monty.

Golec, after his injury was nowhere near his previous form.

Clisby, some good, some bad, some pedestrian.

Melling, some great, some solid and goid chunk of horrendous.

Murray, has not been effective - though not as well deployed as he perhaps might be.

That’s just way too many sub par left overs, bad signings and underperforming players.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I don’t know who is responsible for that and wasn’t suggesting it was necessarily Shaun. But it’s clear without addressing the root of those issues churning the coach won’t be enough to get us on the road to recovery.

Yes wasn’t saying you were. Just using it to make my point. And yeah completely agree.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

If you're the ceo you should be held accountable.

I agree. He has to be. No matter how directly or indirectly responsible he may or may not be. But I’m still not going to assume the very worst interpretation of his efforts - is my only point.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I'm not blaming Shaun for the football side of things - MM needs to own that - but he needs to defend his performance in regards to membership, crowds. community engagements, sponsorship, advertising, council and media relations. These are inter-related with the football side but are still related. A poorly performing club can still be identified with by the community. If Mulvey and players don't want to be seen in Gosford or Terrigal because they are embarrassed then that is exactly when they need to be visible. They need to be showing to the community not only that they are working hard to be better but that they are hurting as much as the fans. That community focus is on Shaun.

Seeing some of the players on Friday after the game it didn't seem to hurt enough. TBH the two that seemed most gutted were Graham and Mallon. Could this be because it is too easy for some of these guys to make a living out of football in Australia. The two Sheffield boys know how hard you need to work, maybe that is something that they can pass on.

Yeah maybe they’ve gotten used to losing.

When so much isn’t working, very hard to seperate out the pieces that are.

It’s why apart from a handful of players I think the rest should be let go and coaching staff terminated.

Maybe Shaun has to go to, but it’s not something I feel I genuinely know to be true.

 

[pjennings]

He may not have to go - but I really think when he faces his end of season review he will be given a roasting. Real community engagement has been poor this season. No noticeable progress with the council at the Stadium or COE.

When times are tough football wise the community engagement and media work is the toughest - but also the most important. We need club legends being ambassadors for the club - not having a go from the sidelines. That means they need to have access to, and be listened to by the club. These guys were around when we were successful. Listen to them, show how you have listened to them by showing them your plans and they at the very least can be ambassadors for the club rather than disillusioned fans like the rest of us. If you don;t have a vision and a plan you can share with them then you don't have a vision and a plan and we are all wasting our time.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Exhibit A: Gamiero .

 

[Michael]

Yeah agree. Cisse is on him. That’s why I think he under estimated the league.

I think weemac and Matty was most likely Monty. Matty has been a good team member but not effective as a goal scorer. Weemac has proven a very poor signing.

Hoole and Kennedy were Okon. But wish he, Nash, someone, anyone, had seen through them.

Gameiro. High risk. But i get it. But... Disaster.

McCormack - I was stoked... Disaster.

Oar... I thought was a great potential signing. Disaster. May still come good next season. But may not.

McDonald is apparently not up to level - that’s probably mostly on Monty.

Golec, after his injury was nowhere near his previous form.

Clisby, some good, some bad, some pedestrian.

Melling, some great, some solid and goid chunk of horrendous.

Murray, has not been effective - though not as well deployed as he perhaps might be.

That’s just way too many sub par left overs, bad signings and underperforming players.

Agree on every point aside from Macdonald and Melling. Although I don’t blame anyone for having the opinion that Macdonald isn’t good enough, because people haven’t seen much of him.
But firstly, there’s nothing great about Melling. Well... he seems like a fantastic family man I’ll give him that.
And secondly I believe Macdonald has all the traits to be a success as an aleague winger. He just plain and simple hasn’t been given a chance. And who’s decided that he isn’t upto it? Mulvey? His opinion has been proven to be that of an insane person.
Examples, kennedy is good, Melling better than tom, Hoole is good

 

[Antlion]

Agree on every point aside from Macdonald and Melling. Although I don’t blame anyone for having the opinion that Macdonald isn’t good enough, because people haven’t seen much of him.
But firstly, there’s nothing great about Melling. Well... he seems like a fantastic family man I’ll give him that.
And secondly I believe Macdonald has all the traits to be a success as an aleague winger. He just plain and simple hasn’t been given a chance. And who’s decided that he isn’t upto it? Mulvey? His opinion has been proven to be that of an insane person.
Examples, kennedy is good, Melling better than tom, Hoole is good

Yes to all except Melling. He is a 100% liability but in fairness to him he has done some good things, mostly breaking up of play. He can't pass which is why it is critical to have a TomH next to him to distribute for him.
It would be better to use him as a sub/squaddie at most as he costs us games nearly as much as Kennedy does

 

[turbo]

but I really think when he faces his end of season review he will be given a roasting

He deserves a roasting for allowing entertainment grounds members a full season membership for under $60. Absolute madness and encourages people not to renew via the club.

 

[turbo]

Yes to all except Melling. He is a 100% liability but in fairness to him he has done some good things, mostly breaking up of play. He can't pass which is why it is critical to have a TomH next to him to distribute for him.
It would be better to use him as a sub/squaddie at most as he costs us games nearly as much as Kennedy does

I don't really get the hate for Melling, yes he makes some mistakes but his workrate is huge, he's gotten better over the season and unless we're overpaying for him is a reasonable backup/sub option. Perhaps in a better drilled team with a link from defence to attack he wouldn't cough up possession so much. If we have Nisbet as well we've got two different types of player that gives a manager flexibility without investing a huge amount in midfield depth. We need to be smart with our spending.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

As far as I am concerned, this season has been the worst out of the last five.

There have been more than enough comments here from the fans to show that what has happened so far is totally unacceptable.

I can see no point for further discussion of who in the team is good, who is crap and whether the management of football at CCM is anything but a disgrace. It is all very clear.

The ball is now firmly in the Club's court for some serious decision making.

Waiting to hear something Shaun!!!

 

[Antlion]

As far as I am concerned, this season has been the worst out of the last five.

There have been more than enough comments here from the fans to show that what has happened so far is totally unacceptable.

I can see no point for further discussion of who in the team is good, who is crap and whether the management of football at CCM is anything but a disgrace. It is all very clear.

The ball is now firmly in the Club's court for some serious decision making.

Waiting to hear something Shaun!!!

Totally. The only acceptable recourse now is a blatant reboot and clear communication with the fans. It's that or lose us. The line has been well and truly crossed.

 

[Antlion]

On Shaun specifically - it needs to be made clear the footballing decisions and to a degree even the hiring of coaches and therefore players, are not entirely within his remit.
Shaun's duties are the commercial side of things - and with the disaster of a product he's had to work with he has actually done extremely well. We have increased memberships and broken membership records repeatedly during this period.

The footballing debacle (debacle is the nicest word I can think of) sits firmly on the shoulders of MC and Mulvey and to some degree Phelan now in the current era. [Edit: Nash deserves to be in this responsibility for failure].

 

[greenlig]

Everything is within Shaun's remit. As CEO he cannot escape that. His decisions, via Charlesworth, have led us here. Yes, the football department have poor staff in key positions, but Shaun's job is threefold: get money, hire the right people, keep everyone performing their best work toward the goal. The first he can't control, but the others he can, and you can't argue it's been successful. A lot has fallen by the wayside under his watch. Does he need the boot? I probably wouldn't go in to bat for him if he was on the line. Granted, I'm not a local so I don't see the community angle, but from a pure executive point of view, something has to be changed. Obviously a great guy, but I do believe it's time to look for a fresh perspective.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Jet's CEO even approaches (poaches) other clubs' players.

 

[FFC Mariner]

There is no community angle. Jets have encroached down the coast steadily

In order to reboot properly you need to clear out management 1st or it is pointless

Like the last 3 reboots

 

[marinermick]

Everything is within Shaun's remit.

Actually we do not know that for sure. Within organisations CEOs have differing levels of responsibilities. There have been plenty of cases in football clubs where the football department and the commercial department are not under the same manager.

I echo other's comments about the failings of the commercial side of the business but I am not ready to lay in the boot for the football side of things for Shaun.

One thing that is apparent is that Charlesworth has left Shaun out to dry with a lack of support, especially lately and in light of the failures of the organisation. He has chosen to hide away in the UK and left Shaun the mouthpiece of the club at a time when support is needed the most. This is both cowardly and unacceptable.