CC MARINERS vs JETS R1 HAL 10

[justafan]

Boring and negative football from Moss. Only he knows the motives for the starting 11. He's the only person that could explain the reasons (if any) for the no inclusions of Fitzy or Caceres in the starting line up. In my mind there are no doubts that with these two players from the start, who imo have honestly earned their starting spots on the field due to excellent performances, the game might have ended 3 - 4 nil in our favour instead of a miserable lucky 1-0. The scum were terrible but we weren't much better. In a team with no creativity, Mane was the only one who was at least pushing forward and making life difficult for the jet's defence. As a person who has played football I feel for Fitzy and Caceres. They must be a bit confused. They're probably asking themselves "What did we do wrong to deserve this?" Caceres is probably thinking " I'm better than Hutch as a DM and I'm better than Kim and Triffiro as an AM. Why am I on the bench and don't even get to go on?" Fitzy: " Sim and Dukey as wide players, Sim FFS!! and I'm on the side line?!!". Ridiculous!! Dear Mossy, if you insist with this set up, I don't think you'll be as lucky when we have to play better sides. Stop trying to justify playing your Kim with silly excuses like the ones you gave during the press conference and put the players that deserve to play there instead. Kim isn't just an average player but he's also lazy and a cheat. Get it right mate.

 

[Gratis]

there wasn't a tonne to be impressed with but I do think the line up was based on two things - expecting a highly physical jest team and an eye on Tuesday.
the team that started was, i think, to absorb the physicality with the tricky creative players to come on as all tired later in the game. further I believe Kim was to keep some creativity on the field during this knowing it'll be trif or caceres starting at 10 on Tuesday.

All the evidence suggests to me that Mossy plays the structure he thinks is best against the enemy at the time, not a locked in plan no matter who we play like Arnie did (see the wins against roar and AU end in last season with a back 5).
I genuinely don't think that that starting 11 or strategy will be the norm every game.
further Dukey had a great well rounded game with some excellent touches, passes, crosses and the layoff to Hutch for the shot was lovely. don't forget the goal. all we need was fewer unforced errors and better understanding between players. if players like Fitz, Duke, Caceres, Trifiro can get some flow going with Mane we're going to lay in the goals - and is only a matter of time before that understanding comes. during this relatively poor example of a game we were only a yard off some cutting attacks a number of times.
I can see where Mossy is going with this team and frankly I'm excited. with the understanding growth between players I think we'll see some fantastic stuff

 

[Arnie]

Boring and negative football from Moss. Only he knows the motives for the starting 11. He's the only person that could explain the reasons (if any) for the no inclusions of Fitzy or Caceres in the starting line up. In my mind there are no doubts that with these two players from the start, who imo have honestly earned their starting spots on the field due to excellent performances, the game might have ended 3 - 4 nil in our favour instead of a miserable lucky 1-0. The scum were terrible but we weren't much better. In a team with no creativity, Mane was the only one who was at least pushing forward and making life difficult for the jet's defence. As a person who has played football I feel for Fitzy and Caceres. They must be a bit confused. They're probably asking themselves "What did we do wrong to deserve this?" Caceres is probably thinking " I'm better than Hutch as a DM and I'm better than Kim and Triffiro as an AM. Why am I on the bench and don't even get to go on?" Fitzy: " Sim and Dukey as wide players, Sim FFS!! and I'm on the side line?!!". Ridiculous!! Dear Mossy, if you insist with this set up, I don't think you'll be as lucky when we have to play better sides. Stop trying to justify playing your Kim with silly excuses like the ones you gave during the press conference and put the players that deserve to play there instead. Kim isn't just an average player but he's also lazy and a cheat. Get it right mate.

Agree totally with this apart from calling Kim a cheat. How does Caceres not get on the park at all, poor bloke. I hope this does not hurt his confidence too much.

 

[style_cafe]

It was a funny sort of day.
The excitement of the season opener,having not had any pre-season games (at Home) to get used to the players,and playing the Jets.
The expectation was there,the build up & everything, but it all fell flat.

From the inane dribble of the ground announcer (who failed miserably in trying to lift the crowd) to the late entrance of the band, it just didn`t feel right.

The first half was uninspiring.
We looked like a team team that that had never played together.
No combinations, no dynamic runs down the flanks,distribution from the back slower than an u/10s team.

Mane was the highlight . He showed so energy, some flair but with little support he was left to do the bulk of the attacking.

Second half looked a bit better but the thought that the Jet`s were just a little bit shittier than us never left my mind.

Chances to Sim (2) & Stormy came from decent attacks but were wasted due to inept finishing.
The Jets had chances too but suffered the same fate as us.

Dukey`s last minute goal though was just rewards for his hard work during the game & made the result a truer reflection of the game.

MOM for mine was Mane but I share his frustration by throwing my hands in the air as well....

ps. Points also go to PP for his voice cracking work & to the band who made the day that more enjoyable

 

[eenfish]

Anybody notice how dangerous Mane is after an opposition corner? Nearly every time Jets had a corner, we'd win the ball and get it to him and he'd start to make a dangerous run. Big potential there. Either opposition will have to drop back an extra player to cope with him and reduce the risk of scoring at a corner, or we're gonna be in with a chance to score eery time we have a corner.

 

[pjennings]

In the past we have slowly built into a season so I'm hoping that's what we are doing again, although perhaps the cancelled pre-season games didn't help.

That's what I'm hoping as well. Combine that with some strange selections and I'll take the 3 points against the Jets and hope for improvement in weeks to come.

 

[bikinigirl]

I'm very disappointed with Kim, he's soft. I don't like divers and that's what I see in him. So obviously did the ref, surprised he didn't wave his yellow card about.

. i thought he was penalised for diving ... but didn't get a yellow. is that correct or was he pinged for a different indiscretion?

I didn't see too much from him to justify him starting and when he was subbed it should have been Caceres not Cernak coming on. Not that I have a problem with Cernak, he did a couple of good things last night, but Caceres is far more dangerous.

. i thought trifiro came on for kim and then palm-tree (cernak) for storm once he couldn't shake the cramp

 

[bikinigirl]

All the evidence suggests to me that Mossy plays the structure he thinks is best against the enemy at the time, not a locked in plan no matter who we play

. that's the way i see it too ... but still puzzled by the selection of kim to start ... jest were always going to be physical

. the problem is you can't really have him on the bench either because if he comes on as a sub, then injures himself talking a dive you are down a player ..... (harsh?)

 

[nebakke]

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I didn't see too much from him to justify him starting and when he was subbed it should have been Caceres not Cernak coming on. Not that I have a problem with Cernak, he did a couple of good things last night, but Caceres is far more dangerous.
I think we made a big mistake getting this guy, we need to cut our losses and move him on.

Just as a small note, Kim was Subbed for Trifiro, Cernak came on for Storm-boy when he cramped up, because we didn't have anyone else with any sort of full-back anything...

 

[Tassiemariner]

That first half was utter gash. The main problem is the same as last year, we can not transition from defence to midfield.
Our transition from midfield to forward is fine, Mane flicks and aggresive runs combined with Kim's passing is a good outlet
Just getting Ando and Bosnar to pass to Kim/Duke/Caceras etc is a struggle. We really miss Patty and to a lesser extent Sainsbury's for their passing forward.
Still going to hold off on lauding Mane for the moment, was our best player but running at Reagan and Chapman is something I would expect of all starting A-League strikers this season.

 

[Atomic]

. i thought he was penalised for diving ... but didn't get a yellow. is that correct or was he pinged for a different indiscretion?

I think I know the incident you're talking about… happened in the first half and Kim came to the sideline for a spell, motioning that he'd been chopped in the thigh. I briefly saw a replay of that this morning and IIRC, Kim committed the first foul by catching the Jets player's ankle with his studs.

I could be wrong

 

[shipwreck]

I'm still not convinced we have what it takes this season, I hope I'm wrong and that was just a shocker.....

 

[Atomic]

I'm still not convinced we have what it takes this season, I hope I'm wrong and that was just a shocker.....

Starting with Fitzy and Caceres (possible Trif as well) would be a completely different team. Vernes could be the key to having a successful season or not. Time will tell.

 

[shipwreck]

Heard rumours about Vernes being on the outer already? Can anyone elaborate on that please?

 

[pjennings]

I think I know the incident you're talking about… happened in the first half and Kim came to the sideline for a spell, motioning that he'd been chopped in the thigh. I briefly saw a replay of that this morning and IIRC, Kim committed the first foul by catching the Jets player's ankle with his studs.

I could be wrong

I thought it was a clash of knees and not a foul either way. Kim was worse off. While a lot of people - me included don't like his 'softness' the fact is the referee left a lot to be desired. Regan got a yellow very early and could easily have been given another a number of times. A yellow is a yellow whether a player is on a card or not. He got away with it each time and each time the ref intimated it was his last time.

 

[bikinigirl]

I think I know the incident you're talking about… happened in the first half and Kim came to the sideline for a spell, motioning that he'd been chopped in the thigh. I briefly saw a replay of that this morning and IIRC, Kim committed the first foul by catching the Jets player's ankle with his studs.

I could be wrong

. i think that was a separate incident

. the one i was referring to was when he may or may not have got a hand in the face

 

[Leigh]

Lineup was ok imo. Sim in LM was the only questionable choice, he did work hard during the game, but things like not being able to score a tap in kind of cost games.

We just didn't have the passing polish in midfield, I think Monty and Hutcho are mostly to blame. Their passes were too soft and too slow all game.

Also Bosnar is so slow at making decisions. Sure he's playing full back, but he needs to up the pace a bit to get our attack moving forward. Our forwards sprint forward and Bosnar just holds up the ball.

We need the mentality that even when our LB and RB sprint forward and can shoot, that someone needs to run in on the back post. Rose's cross/shot from Mane's back-heel was a second tap in if someone put a bit of effort to get to it.

 

[Roy Law]

Boring and negative football from Moss. .

Well, he did learn at the foot of Graham Arnold who could be really negative at times, especially early season.

 

[Roy Law]

What I don't like is watching Anderson take a free kick and pass it to Bosnar who then passes it back to him; Ando then has to adjust his feet, take a look, think about it, strike a pose, and then pass it back to Reddy to hack downfield, or out to Roux who by now has two men on him. Meanwhile the midfield has disappeared completely with no go forward from Monty or Hutch and no come backwards from Kim. It is very frustrating.

 

[BrisRecky]

its been said previously, BUT...Mane impressed, I'll be surprised if he dont end with quite a collection of goals...maybe him and Dooks should work out a team thing like Shearer & Ferdinand or Yorke and Cole had going back in the day.

Other than that it was a bit of a flat fkn start... werent it?....it seemed in some parts of the match that communication between the Mariners was non existent.
and after seeing the alledged smack in the gob Kim got...that diving shit has got to go, I know its a valid tactit in some parts of the world...but it dont wash here.

Matt Sim and Storm Roux need to learn ruthless aggression when in front, Sims shots were soft as, and Roux , all he had to do was stick his foot out and it would of gone in...and I thinks its fair to say that Sim should NEVER start in front of Fitzy as of now...and Cernak came on and did nothing AGAIN...BUT...what can you do...upwards and onwards says I...we got a win...By the by...were was Vernes?