MagpieMariner
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OK, my mistake.Just as a small note, Kim was Subbed for Trifiro, Cernak came on for Storm-boy when he cramped up, because we didn't have anyone else with any sort of full-back anything...
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CC MARINERS vs JETS R1 HAL 10
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MrCelery
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Felt a little bit guilty with that win, but hey, it's the Scum, so it's great. Took some guilty pleasure reading all the moronic rantings on the Scum forum this morning. Jeez, they have trouble stringing more than one sentence together.
As for the performances last night:
. I don't think Kim is a diver, but he certainly is a very soft touch. ABC radio post match review got it right. Give him 20 minutes of the 'Newcastle Treatment' and the Mariners will be playing with 10 men. My concern is that the ref was very poor at dealing with the harsh treatment dished out. After about the fifth hack you would have thought the officials may have brought out the card more often.
. Duke continues to baffle me. Especially now that we have Mane to show how forwards are supposed to create havoc in the front third. Apart from deft touches in midfield (and the goal of course) I thought Dukey was totally ineffective in his role as a forward for 99% of the game. I had to keep checking to see if he was even on the team sheet due to his invisibility. Then he pops up and bags the winner with an opportunist tap that shows you don't have to blast the ball at the goal to score. I can't fault his engine, but I can't decide whether the issue is his positional sense, his instructions from the bench, or his teammates inability to get the ball to him.
. As for the rest, it was a mediocre performance at best, considering we were the home team. I think part of the ongoing training should be reminding players we play in yellow/navy, not shit colours like the Scum. The number of passes to the opposition was frightening.
. It was also a major worry that the Scum were able to transition to attack quite easily, while we really struggled in the middle and had to resort to long lobs to Mane to get something happening.
So, considering this was a six point game (3 to us, and none to the Scum) the result was perfect. But we'll need to lift a couple of levels against McGlinchey FC next week.
As for the performances last night:
. I don't think Kim is a diver, but he certainly is a very soft touch. ABC radio post match review got it right. Give him 20 minutes of the 'Newcastle Treatment' and the Mariners will be playing with 10 men. My concern is that the ref was very poor at dealing with the harsh treatment dished out. After about the fifth hack you would have thought the officials may have brought out the card more often.
. Duke continues to baffle me. Especially now that we have Mane to show how forwards are supposed to create havoc in the front third. Apart from deft touches in midfield (and the goal of course) I thought Dukey was totally ineffective in his role as a forward for 99% of the game. I had to keep checking to see if he was even on the team sheet due to his invisibility. Then he pops up and bags the winner with an opportunist tap that shows you don't have to blast the ball at the goal to score. I can't fault his engine, but I can't decide whether the issue is his positional sense, his instructions from the bench, or his teammates inability to get the ball to him.
. As for the rest, it was a mediocre performance at best, considering we were the home team. I think part of the ongoing training should be reminding players we play in yellow/navy, not shit colours like the Scum. The number of passes to the opposition was frightening.
. It was also a major worry that the Scum were able to transition to attack quite easily, while we really struggled in the middle and had to resort to long lobs to Mane to get something happening.
So, considering this was a six point game (3 to us, and none to the Scum) the result was perfect. But we'll need to lift a couple of levels against McGlinchey FC next week.
Gratis
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he did get hit but it was nothing, he left it then milked it a moment later. i think that was a separate incident
. the one i was referring to was when he may or may not have got a hand in the face
you see the hit in the footage but the replay shows after the hit onward
still there was nothing it
nebakke
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I actually thought he did alright on the wing... Starting to show sine of the improvement thatBernie did as he was converted, he did a reasonable job defensively yesterday I thought and I actually thought he moved forward ok, consistent the circumstances.
On the whole, I think he offers more on the wing than Cernak or Sim to be honest...
Wombat
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Why are we playing him on the wing? The conversation is stupid.
Mane is not a striker and keeps drawing over to the left wing, which is obviously his natural position.
We should be playing with Mane alongside Duke. Duke has to be the spearhead.
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nebakke
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I took that to be deliberate though Mane pulling to either side (not just the left actually - that beatiful unmet ball across the face of goal, was from the right) had Dukey show up in the middle - albeit mostly too late.
nebakke
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Can I just say as well.. Suck it the f*** up everyone. I'm disappointed too, but looking at some of the other forums especially, there're already CCM "fans" angling to get rid of Mossy, attacking half the players for being less than adequate etc. etc... I know everyone's frustrated with the club and disappointed with the relatively poor quality of the game yesterday, which'd be alright, if it hadn't been more-or-less going on for the last two weeks. Wtf is going on? So we've had an average off-season, it hasn't exactly been disastrous and we've won both the FFA cup games.
We're supposed to be the better club, spirit-wise, it's supposedly the thing that keeps us together and one of the big things in terms of engaging the local crowd... We're the club that laughed at Sydney when they tried to poach Arnie, because "we've had two coaches in 8 years" - because we DON'T fire the coach at the drop of a hat.
Mossy picked up a disheveled looking team on a heading to mediocrity, at best, and pulled them through to a third place in a season where, by-rights, they should've finished outside finals contention. And yet, there seem to be a lot of people who feel that he hasn't even begun to prove himself and that in actual fact, he's a piss-poor coach, etc etc.
I can understand the occasional complaint etc, but we're starting to sound like a bunch of Jets fans, giving up on the club and generally thinking the worst of anyone related to it. I know that Nick Horner quote about following a football team being an incomprehensible mixture of love and hate, but seriously, we've played one (count them, 1) game this season, and already, you can see the calls mounting to a "Mossy out" campaign... We're NOT the f***ing smurfs, we don't just roll over, give up and go looking for a new coach just because of a couple of bad games...
1) We can't afford it
2) WE'RE F***ING BETTER THAN THEM!
tldr - Sour grapes, feel free to disregard and move on, I just had to get it off my chest.
We're supposed to be the better club, spirit-wise, it's supposedly the thing that keeps us together and one of the big things in terms of engaging the local crowd... We're the club that laughed at Sydney when they tried to poach Arnie, because "we've had two coaches in 8 years" - because we DON'T fire the coach at the drop of a hat.
Mossy picked up a disheveled looking team on a heading to mediocrity, at best, and pulled them through to a third place in a season where, by-rights, they should've finished outside finals contention. And yet, there seem to be a lot of people who feel that he hasn't even begun to prove himself and that in actual fact, he's a piss-poor coach, etc etc.
I can understand the occasional complaint etc, but we're starting to sound like a bunch of Jets fans, giving up on the club and generally thinking the worst of anyone related to it. I know that Nick Horner quote about following a football team being an incomprehensible mixture of love and hate, but seriously, we've played one (count them, 1) game this season, and already, you can see the calls mounting to a "Mossy out" campaign... We're NOT the f***ing smurfs, we don't just roll over, give up and go looking for a new coach just because of a couple of bad games...
1) We can't afford it
2) WE'RE F***ING BETTER THAN THEM!
tldr - Sour grapes, feel free to disregard and move on, I just had to get it off my chest.
nebakke
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That's sort of part of my point though, a bit of perspective... If this was a poor pre-season, what happened to better an worse options?
You would assume that we could also have had a mediocre pre-season, or a good one... But what would then have been a perfect pre-season? and what's a disastrous pre-season look like?
So is the step from poor to good much smaller than the step from poor to disastrous? Would you have rated it as a good pre-season, if we had beaten Roar and Jets? What is it that you feel made it specifically 'poor'? And is any of that affected by you now having access to video-coverage of the pre-season, where in the past we were reliant on the occasional attendant and a reporter at the game?
Wombat
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The fact that we don't seam to learn is the most worrying thing.
We have the players to be a force we just don't send out our best team and we don't play a decent formation.
The game against the Bogan scum was just a continuation of our poor performances in the pre-season.
And btw the pre-season was only a small step away from disastrous...
We have the players to be a force we just don't send out our best team and we don't play a decent formation.
The game against the Bogan scum was just a continuation of our poor performances in the pre-season.
And btw the pre-season was only a small step away from disastrous...
dibo
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I've no idea what you want Wombat, so I'll guess it's starting off with no Hutcho and add another striker and *presto* there'll be goals. I seriously doubt that will work...
Biggest problem yesterday was giving up the ball. Quality and composure were lacking. Far more concerning than the idea that Kim is soft or whatever is that he didn't really bring much to the table - pretty but not threatening. Let's hope he comes good, but at this point I'd rather see Trifiro. I'd also rather see Fitzy than Sim. Those two changes alone might bring us some quality and some aggression that we're missing.
Otherwise, as we saw through the course of the game yesterday we've got pace at the moment up front but not a whole lot of technique. We're not looking like we're going to delicately pick sides apart. We're more likely to carve through them with pace and power. Could've had more that way on the weekend, and the encouraging thing was that the defence looked stiffer (and accordingly, we're the only side to keep a clean sheet).
Melbourne Victory in 06/7 were one of the most dominant sides in A-League history and they effectively played with a something that looked like 3 DMs a lot of the time, and instead of central strikers they had Alsopp and Thompson prowling the flanks and looking to hit on the break.
It worked for them then and it might work for us now. We already play with a flexible front 4 - there's not a lot we'd need to change. Mane, Fitzy and Duke cycling about in front of Trifiro, *keep* the two DMs (who both had pretty decent games and settled players around them) and see what happens.
Biggest problem yesterday was giving up the ball. Quality and composure were lacking. Far more concerning than the idea that Kim is soft or whatever is that he didn't really bring much to the table - pretty but not threatening. Let's hope he comes good, but at this point I'd rather see Trifiro. I'd also rather see Fitzy than Sim. Those two changes alone might bring us some quality and some aggression that we're missing.
Otherwise, as we saw through the course of the game yesterday we've got pace at the moment up front but not a whole lot of technique. We're not looking like we're going to delicately pick sides apart. We're more likely to carve through them with pace and power. Could've had more that way on the weekend, and the encouraging thing was that the defence looked stiffer (and accordingly, we're the only side to keep a clean sheet).
Melbourne Victory in 06/7 were one of the most dominant sides in A-League history and they effectively played with a something that looked like 3 DMs a lot of the time, and instead of central strikers they had Alsopp and Thompson prowling the flanks and looking to hit on the break.
It worked for them then and it might work for us now. We already play with a flexible front 4 - there's not a lot we'd need to change. Mane, Fitzy and Duke cycling about in front of Trifiro, *keep* the two DMs (who both had pretty decent games and settled players around them) and see what happens.
style_cafe
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The start was disappointing but I seem to recall we are always crap for the first few games.
It doesn`t stop us venting here though.
That`s what the forum is about.
People talking about football.Each individual giving their opinion whether it be good or bad.
No-one`s calling for Mossy to be replaced.
I think by & large we all love the bloke & regard him as a good coach.
Time to move on we`ve got the Sheep Shagger`s next weekend.....
It doesn`t stop us venting here though.
That`s what the forum is about.
People talking about football.Each individual giving their opinion whether it be good or bad.
No-one`s calling for Mossy to be replaced.
I think by & large we all love the bloke & regard him as a good coach.
Time to move on we`ve got the Sheep Shagger`s next weekend.....
Play Caceres in place of Hutch, Hutch can come off the bench. Duke needs to be free to interchange with Mane I think, the two of them should rotate point throughout the game.
Sim bench, play Fitz or Vernes out wide.
Rest of positions are fine, Bosnar just needs to up the speed of passes.
Sim bench, play Fitz or Vernes out wide.
Rest of positions are fine, Bosnar just needs to up the speed of passes.
true believer
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why ? in the championship rounds ,we were throwing all the punchs
pjennings
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This is about the extent of my changes as well although I would probably go with Caceres over Tricky
With a bench of
Nash, Poscoliero, Tricky, Simon (pending fitness) and probably Vernes (pending fitness and showing more of his quality). Not major tinkering - just playing at the edges. The other thing we need to be patient with is that team will take time to gel with someone like Mane. I'm looking forward to Mitch and Malick show as it develops.
I'm an optimist so will put a few positive comments to balance out the many negatives! Some already mentioned.
We always start slow so not worth reading too much into it.
The team selection would definately had tomorrows FFA cup game as a factor. Can't argue with 9 of the selections really, Hutch was not surprising given it was a derby. As much as i wanted Caceres, Trif and Fitzy in the side I think those 3 will be a good chance of playing both on Tuesday and Saturday. Am hoping Vernes will make an impact soon, we need more creativity.
I think there will be a fair bit of change in the opening 5 or 6 games in order to determine our best starting 11 and get as many players as possible match fit. I think a core of 8 will start most games if fit- Reddy/Storm/Boz/Ando/Rosey/Monty/Dukey/Mane. Then it comes down to 3 from Kim/Sim/Matty/Fitzy/Vernes/Trif/Caceres/Hutch/Cernack. Not easy.
Defence is looking solid, nice to keep a clean sheet.
We will get alot better once we start to gel.
Pretty good crowd.
Must beat the Nix next week....it'll only get harder and maximum points after 2 rounds will make life alot easier going forward.
We always start slow so not worth reading too much into it.
The team selection would definately had tomorrows FFA cup game as a factor. Can't argue with 9 of the selections really, Hutch was not surprising given it was a derby. As much as i wanted Caceres, Trif and Fitzy in the side I think those 3 will be a good chance of playing both on Tuesday and Saturday. Am hoping Vernes will make an impact soon, we need more creativity.
I think there will be a fair bit of change in the opening 5 or 6 games in order to determine our best starting 11 and get as many players as possible match fit. I think a core of 8 will start most games if fit- Reddy/Storm/Boz/Ando/Rosey/Monty/Dukey/Mane. Then it comes down to 3 from Kim/Sim/Matty/Fitzy/Vernes/Trif/Caceres/Hutch/Cernack. Not easy.
Defence is looking solid, nice to keep a clean sheet.
We will get alot better once we start to gel.
Pretty good crowd.
Must beat the Nix next week....it'll only get harder and maximum points after 2 rounds will make life alot easier going forward.
dibo
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Why? It's a conclusion in search of a rationale.
Worth noting that in pre-season and the 1st game we haven't lost to another A league side who are probably all a bit ahead of us preparation wise ( ACL commitments made us later coming back to pre-season training), and won the 2 FFA games. Would have been good to have had a couple more games but it wasn't that bad.
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