Amini bound for Europe

[scottmac]

Weemac and Olly are different cases entirely. They have both been in Musty's position and have had to come here to get game time but their ambition will be the same. If they were offered a spot in a team like Musty has been they would do everything to make the move happen.

We are and will be for some time a selling league. The better young players will cut their teeth here and move on and the better older players will return here after a career elsewhere. The good players that remain here for a long time will do so because they choose Aus for their family. There wont be many, probably none who could make it OS but choose Aus instead. Fact of life and we will just have to deal with it.

 

[midfielder]

Given Dortmund have trusted us to train Musty .... that is a big plus for us when the best of the best youth players look to find a club to start with..

 

[adz]

I understand from the players point of view why they need to move on... obviously there is more money and better quality opposition and more opportunity to improve as a player out there.

Olly and Weemac, from my understanding, came back to the A-League because they were not really progressing overseas. I bet they would both jump at the chance if some big overseas club made an offer.

The bit I don't get is why everyone seems so happy to see the back of our star players!

And sorry but I just can't get excited that we got "trusted to train Mustii". Imagine the advertising campaign for that one... Come to the A-League: Training ground for the rest of the world!

 

[midfielder]

ADZ

From pre Hal Lyle Gorman said the A-League was a feeder league to the world’s major league… The strength of our club was to build a centre of excellence to get the nations best youth … develop them and have them play for us… selling these players overseas would allow us to bring in money to enable us to compete with capital city clubs as a regional club…

That we have if you count Matty Ryan and our SU player we have six of the national U 20 squad… meaning hopefully big fees and the nations best youth coming to us…

There is no way the A-League can keep players like Musty & Bernie and more than likely Trent & Matty Ryan… what we can do is enjoy them while we have them … use the funds wisely when they are sold and hopefully a hoist of talented kids keep coming tho the door meaning we will always have a decent side..

So loosing Musty but keeping him on a loan deal if that is what happens is a great deal and totally in line with how the club was established in the first place and why the COE exists…

 

[adz]

Yup, I get all the reasons of why we have to let the players go, I don't understand why everyone is so damn happy about it! LOL.

I would love to see where it says the A-League, and the COE for that matter, was set up so we could develop players specifically to go to big overseas clubs. I thought the COE was being established so the Mariners would have a stronger future, not some random foreign club.

I realise that it all comes down to money, and as a developing league we can't expect to be able to compete with the bigger leagues for the more talented players, but why is everyone so excited whenever we lose another player??

Why is the A-League being a feeder league to the world a good thing!??

 

[Atomic]

Yup, I get all the reasons of why we have to let the players go, I don't understand why everyone is so damn happy about it! LOL.

This is my point of view... I'm happy, primarily because I'm happy for the kid himself and his family. He's a success story, not because he can kick a soccer ball, but he represents all that's good about modern Australia. Regardless of that though, I'd be happy for any kid, no mater what their path in life is, to be given a shot to make their dreams come true.

I hope he goes on to be a success on the world stage. In 10 years time, I want to reserve the right to crap on, to all and sundry, about the season where this unknown teenager made his debut for CCM... and I was there! That makes me feel happy.

I'm happy that the CCM management seemingly bargained their way to a strong result. Money for the club, an extra season of seeing Musti... win-win.

I'm also happy because it raises the perception of CCM in the eyes of a big European club - a club that probably has more fans worldwide than their are people in Australia (just a guess ). Other clubs will be watching this and whilst we wont be #1 on their scouting radars, at least they might now be casting a curious eye our way every now and again. We have a revenue stream. Lets face it, we cant compete with SFU, MV etc for sponsorship dollars, so we have to be a little unconventional and think outside the box. Farming the youth is one of these approaches. Smart thinking by the board if you ask me. Survival for our little club... now THAT makes me happy verhead:

 

[adz]

Nice post Atomic, all good things! Personally I won't be following Amini or other players that come here for a bit and go overseas onto bigger and better things, but I will be following the Mariners every week.

I would understand if people said it's a developing series, we cannot compete with the rest of the world just yet, but we are putting things in place now so that one day we will be able to retain top players, and have some of the best quality football in the A-League. Until then it sucks to see all these talented players hang around for a season or two at the most!

But that isn't the case... I'm hearing how good it is to be "trusted" as a glorified training camp, and how good it is that our young stars are getting cherry-picked by the top leagues.

And check out the post voting! All the posts saying how cool it is to lose our best player(s) overseas are getting voted up. Wouldn't you rather see the best players stay in Australia and have a strong local league? If the A-League is going to tackle the other codes it's gotta do better than "feeder league to the world’s major leagues".

I guess I'm on my own on this one!

 

[Roy Law]

Man Utd had to sell Ronaldo; we are selling Musti - it's football. The good thing is we get another year out of him, he wasn't ever going to stay any longer. And we do need to sell players we produce to pay for the CoE - it's a business. Could be very lucrative over the years if we get the reputation for producing quality players.

 

[adz]

Man Utd had to sell Ronaldo; we are selling Musti - it's football. The good thing is we get another year out of him, he wasn't ever going to stay any longer. And we do need to sell players we produce to pay for the CoE - it's a business. Could be very lucrative over the years if we get the reputation for producing quality players.

Bloody hell... lol. Repeating myself a lot here but oh well. I know part of football is having players come and go, but I bet the Man United fans weren't all saying how good it was for Ronaldo to go and hope he goes well at his new club on lots of money etc etc. The only reason they might have been happy is because he was at Man U long enough to do something, he was moaning about wanting to leave anyway, and the club got a massive pay day from it.

Ronaldo was there SIX seasons, but we seem to be over the moon if we can scrape a SECOND year out of someone! "I'm gutted he's going but he's paid his dues and £80million is a fantastic price." Has Amini "paid his dues" with the Mariners? Nope. Are the Mariners getting enough money in the transfer fee to pay for an entire squad? Nope. Not really a fair comparison, is it?

I don't think I will ever understand this one. I get that we have to lose players to overseas clubs, and am hopeful that it will change in future, but until then I won't be happy about it, like it seems the majority here are!

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I thought we would likely lose him this year. And we would have for not even enough to adequately try and replace him if his manager had his way. So another year i am happy with. Like other posts, very happy for Amini. Everybody I know, but ESPECIALLY the kids think the world of Musty.

BUt as a selfish fan there is one more thing I am very happy with...

He's going to be in a wonderful state of mind this coming season. He can see where his path is going...
Has Au and ACL representation to loo forward to.

For a motivated talented kid, it's a dream come true and I'm so excited about watching him make it happen while still
wearing yellow!! verhead: verhead: verhead:

(But yes Adz, would love to keep him forever)

Still miss mile.

 

[Wombat]

Bloody hell... lol. Repeating myself a lot here but oh well. I know part of football is having players come and go, but I bet the Man United fans weren't all saying how good it was for Ronaldo to go and hope he goes well at his new club on lots of money etc etc. The only reason they might have been happy is because he was at Man U long enough to do something, he was moaning about wanting to leave anyway, and the club got a massive pay day from it.

Ronaldo was there SIX seasons, but we seem to be over the moon if we can scrape a SECOND year out of someone! "I'm gutted he's going but he's paid his dues and £80million is a fantastic price." Has Amini "paid his dues" with the Mariners? Nope. Are the Mariners getting enough money in the transfer fee to pay for an entire squad? Nope. Not really a fair comparison, is it?

I don't think I will ever understand this one. I get that we have to lose players to overseas clubs, and am hopeful that it will change in future, but until then I won't be happy about it, like it seems the majority here are!

Agree with you Adz. I'm not happy to see Amini go at all and I think he should stick around until he is 20yo then try his luck overseas.
I also hate the idea of CCM being a selling club (like West Ham).

 

[midfielder]

I also hate the idea of CCM being a selling club (like West Ham).

Name one other club in the A-League who is not a selling club...

As I said earlier ...

From pre Hal Lyle Gorman said the A-League was a feeder league to the world’s major league… The strength of our club was to build a centre of excellence to get the nations best youth … develop them and have them play for us… selling these players overseas would allow us to bring in money to enable us to compete with capital city clubs as a regional club…

Its not like Westham as they operate within the worlds best league .... Australia is a feeder league to the better leagues...we may go up the feeder chain a little ... like Fiji or NZers what to play in the A-League now...maybe we can go a little higher ... wishing it was different or wanting it to be different is like wanting the Easter break every weekend .... it just won't happen...

Essentially we are a feeder league and we want the best of the youth here... Musty. Bernie etc...lets hope we can keep the flow of the kids coming...

 

[style_cafe]

Your turn Adz....

 

[Jesus]

Many middle east leagues are able to keep their players despite the temptation of higher quality opposition abroad.

It all comes down to money

 

[adz]

Your turn Adz....

LOL. I learnt a long time ago I'm better off walking outside and talking to one of the plants than trying to argue a point with midfielder. He's ignored all the main points, reiterated a couple of things nobody is actually arguing against, and stated again, without any evidence, that the main goal of the A-League is to be a feeder league to the rest of the world.

 

[scottmac]

LOL. I learnt a long time ago I'm better off walking outside and talking to one of the plants than trying to argue a point with midfielder. He's ignored all the main points, reiterated a couple of things nobody is actually arguing against, and stated again, without any evidence, that the main goal of the A-League is to be a feeder league to the rest of the world.

Not once did he say or even suggest that the main goal of the league is to be a feeder to the rest of the world. Its just a plain fact that it is. Wishing it was otherwise will not make it so. Even if/when our league becomes something like the MLS or JLeague we will still loose our best young players OS due to the lure of the best leagues and best clubs of the world. FFS we are a summer run league, how can we expect to be considered a place that the best players want to stay for a career?

Musty is a special talent. He has a chance at becoming something great. That chance would not be fulfilled here. You couldn't become the best League player in the world if you decide to ply your trade for a whole career in PNG. Sounds obvious huh?

Rather than midfilder, its you being the stubborn one ignoring the main points and even inventing a point of view and attributing it to midfielder. Maybe you need to be reminded of your first few posts in this topic. A rather extreme view if ever their was one suggesting that a 17 yr old who we had no hand in training apart from one year of his life owes us loyalty to the point of overlooking a move which may set his career up and change the fortunes of his family for generations.

Also re-reading shows that Dibo is the only one in this topic which even remotely suggests that we should encourage this to happen often and he is coming from a point of view that it would be financially wise for us to do so not that he would love to see the best young players leave after a year.

Having said all that, I know that what drives your argument is passion for the Yellow and Navy. If only everyone had that fire and passion we would be a team and a league that could afford to hold onto the better players for longer.

 

[adz]

Maybe I misread what midfielder said, because I took it as the whole A-League being set up to be a feeder league for the rest of the world. And the purpose of the COE is to develop players so we can sell them for some coin, rather than have the best juniors coming up through the Mariners ranks and dominating the A-League with them for many seasons ahead (think Ryan Giggs etc). I thought he was saying the purpose of the A-League is to be a massive shop window, where we keep the best players for a very short period of time until they get plucked away by some overseas giant, which we should be massively grateful for, rather than seeing multiple generations of superstars playing for the Mariners, e.g. Gary Ablett snr and jnr in the AFL.
Midfielder correct me if I'm wrong, mate!

My first post in this thread was a bit harsh "f**k off and don't come back", but check out the timestamps. We had just lost the Grand Final and then we hear one of our best players wants to piss off overseas?

Yep I'm being stubborn and keep banging on about it... like a spoiled brat lol... okay, I admit it... but I am making some discussion and the forum is kinda dead otherwise! And it's because I want to be convinced. Why is it such a good thing to be a feeder league, have all our stars piss off after 1 season, and be a retirement village for old has-beens? Is this really the best we can ever hope for? That's pretty bloody depressing, to be honest. How can we ever sell the A-League to the general public, if even the hard core fans are happy with it being an inferior product?

 

[Bex]

It's a good thing because, whilstever there's leagues around the world paying way more money than us we've got no choice about it, so we may as well be happy that our youngsters and our league are at least getting some recognition. The recognition bodes well for the future of our club as we become the club of choice for potential stars - every sale of a player overseas makes our club stronger and more financially secure. If we can make a business of rising stars after getting a couple of good seasons from them, we may be able to afford those marquees we've dreamt about for so long. We can invest in even more facilities and player development. If we can achieve that, we're well on the way to building our brand as Australia's premier football club and the place where all the best players will want to be - hopefully that equates to beautiful football, premierships and more of excitement outside the Central Coast Leagues like we had at the 2nd leg of the semi against the scum that awesome day

 

[scottmac]

Why is it such a good thing to be a feeder league, have all our stars piss off after 1 season, and be a retirement village for old has-beens? Is this really the best we can ever hope for? That's pretty bloody depressing, to be honest. How can we ever sell the A-League to the general public, if even the hard core fans are happy with it being an inferior product?

Most definitely not happy about it. I would love it if our stars of the future had ambition to run out at Bluetounge to 20,000 adoring fans cheering year after year. The only problem is that kids don't grow up dreaming about that. They dream of scoring at the Kop end wearing red (or blue) or playing infront of 85,000 at the San Siro or donning the green and gold during the world cup.
It is not the best we can hope for. Once this product takes hold we can hope for only the very best going OS to top clubs and the rest whocould only ply their trade in lower leagues and lesser teams staying because the pay and the prestige is of a similar level. If CCM can attract the best younger players now and they move OS as Musty is doing for a bit of coin for us then it can set us up to be a powerhouse of Aus football in the future. Thats not suggesting that this should be first and foremost of the clubs priorities. It should most definitley be on field success because without that no one wants to come here.
So untill then we will hopefully see the best young prospects come and go at Bluetounge all the while keeping us ultra competitive and financially secure.

 

[midfielder]

ADZ

You have miss read what I was saying…

My belief in a Football sense is that for football to grow, we need a strong national domestic competition….otherwise Football will always be a Socceroo event in the public gaze…

The development of a successful A-League is a thread in itself with past good and bad decisions made by FFA… the biggest single issue as see it is the expansion teams always needed to be two in WS, Woolongong & Canberra…. Creating seven teams in NSW helping to create media and reducing costs for all in the league and using the successful models of both the AFL & NRL where they have a chunk of teams in a small area to create local derbies… interest from the media because of how close they are.. However this thread is not to discuss an model for a local domestic competition… but I am saying this to show I don’t believe the A-League was set up to be a feeder league…


What I said was agreeing with Lyle Gorman who said Australia was a feeder league (like 195 other leagues around the world our best players go to the top European leagues and more recently the top Asian leagues) …

If we accept the fact we are a feeder league then it is only the very best players that get spots in the top clubs overseas… Again this is all reasonably well accepted…

Given this (i.e. Australia is a feeder league of our best) and our relative position as regional club in a region that will struggle to get the best sponsors on board….. meaning getting the best players, paying our way etc …… requires having a financial model that ensures we are around for a long time … our financial model to help with this is our COE…

This is what LG said from pre Hal… all I did was re-state what our financial and growth plan was…

Essentially I would love the day when we can develop a player like Musty and keep him like you said like Man U kept Ryan Giggs … like AFL can keep their best (however the AFL players have nowhere else to go)

Having said all this however rugby union and rugby league are also experiencing player drains to overseas maybe not of their youth … but some of their best are playing overseas… Football with all its leagues trades in players… the only constant is the club …. The Ryan Giggs of this world are few and far between most players move around … you praise your management for getting the best players they can on the budget they have to work with…