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Aloi$i now for Sydney FC

Mariner Girl

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God it hurts when reality hits you between the eyes  :headbutt:

Three players who I like going to a club that I can't stand to look at anymore  :vomit:
 

Paolo

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Can't blame him, im sure you would switch companies in your line of work if someone offered you 1.4 times your pay.
 

Jaza_SFC

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Pete said:
Also, no improvement in their defense line - and money's running out I guess under the salary cap. Sure plenty of stars, but when these guys take on Socceroo and/or Olyroo duties whose to cover them? State Leaguers who couldn't make a HAL club squad, and prepared to sign on for crumbs?

We've still got a solid chunk in the cap, as we lost a lot of big earners.

And our defence doesn't need a huge amount of strengthening. Two solid keepers, three solid CBs (four if Millsy sticks around), we've already got one fullback lined up. We need a left-back, but so does everyone else, then we're set.
 
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Pete

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keensy said:
Can't blame him, im sure you would switch companies in your line of work if someone offered you 1.4 times your pay.

Too right, but funnily enough, when I was offered a transfer to Newcastle Buses - and the prospect of less travelling time, longer shifts etc (works out about 1.4 times my pay) etc - I knocked it back because I could only think of those morons I had to contend with spitting at me from the upper balcony of EAS, and having the likes of them on my bus!
 

Alicia

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Im excited to be at Sydney FC, Aloisi said. I am still a very ambitious person and I want to win things and I see Sydney FC as the team to do that with. Last year I saw the Sydney game against LA Galaxy with 80,000 people and the game against Melbourne with 33,000 people and it was also a factor.
 
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Pete

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Jaza_SFC said:
Pete said:
Also, no improvement in their defense line - and money's running out I guess under the salary cap. Sure plenty of stars, but when these guys take on Socceroo and/or Olyroo duties whose to cover them? State Leaguers who couldn't make a HAL club squad, and prepared to sign on for crumbs?

We've still got a solid chunk in the cap, as we lost a lot of big earners.

And our defence doesn't need a huge amount of strengthening. Two solid keepers, three solid CBs (four if Millsy sticks around), we've already got one fullback lined up. We need a left-back, but so does everyone else, then we're set.

Who exactly is going from Sydney FC, Jaza? Guessing Zdrillic, maybe Milligan. Who are these high earners that have gone. And is it true you are having troubles getting Fyfe?
 

Alicia

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Pete said:
Jaza_SFC said:
Pete said:
Also, no improvement in their defense line - and money's running out I guess under the salary cap. Sure plenty of stars, but when these guys take on Socceroo and/or Olyroo duties whose to cover them? State Leaguers who couldn't make a HAL club squad, and prepared to sign on for crumbs?

We've still got a solid chunk in the cap, as we lost a lot of big earners.

And our defence doesn't need a huge amount of strengthening. Two solid keepers, three solid CBs (four if Millsy sticks around), we've already got one fullback lined up. We need a left-back, but so does everyone else, then we're set.

Who exactly is going from Sydney FC, Jaza? Guessing Zdrillic, maybe Milligan. Who are these high earners that have gone. And is it true you are having troubles getting Fyfe?

While Sydney FC is welcoming Aloisi, Bridge and Colosimo to the club, regrettably there are also players moving in the opposite direction.

Earlier this year foundation players Mark Rudan and Ufuk Talay left to join Japanese team Avispa Fukuoka while another foundation player, David Zdrilic has been released, so too have Ruben Zadkovich and Patrick.

Sydney FC has left the door open for Mark Milligan and Juninho about the possibility of extending their contracts with Sydney FC.

Contracted Sydney FC squad members for 2008/09:
Clint Bolton, Iain Fyfe, Nik Tsattalios, Simon Colosimo, Tony Popovic, Robbie Middleby, Steve Corica, Brendon Santalab, Ben Vidaic, Alex Brosque, Terry McFlynn, John Aloisi, Jacob Timpano, Adam Casey, Mark Bridge, Ivan Necevski, Adam Biddle and Mike Enfield
 

FFC Mariner

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F me, take Colosimo, Corica and Poppa out of that lot and no one can defend, no one can create in MF and no one can win the ball.

Long ball hoofs to the lumbering Aloi$i wont work either.

A few injuries and expect another season of underachievement. 4th again anyone??
 

bathurstmariner

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From The World Game website:

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/sydney-need-a-reality-check-on-aloisi-deal-107529/

Sydney need a reality check on Aloisi deal

By Half Time Orange - Jesse Fink | 2 March 2008 | 21:10


Half-Time Orange brought you news of my close encounter with Juninho Paulista in last week's blog. From his hangdog look even then in that east Sydney cafe, I was doubtful the Little Fella would pick up a new Sydney FC contract and his representative, Leo Karis, was similarly pessimistic. The new buzzword at the club was restraint. No marquees. No bigheads. John Kosmina would be given the squad of plumbers and labourers he wanted.


A couple of days later, however, I first heard the rumour that the out-of-contract John Aloisi was about to be signed by the club on the sort of terms Juninho was seeking but being refused.

Surely not?

Dispensing with the services of one of the great Brazilian stars of the era, one of the best playmakers going around, for the Socceroos' super-sub?

Aloisi is a fine player, that there is no doubt, but he is not a Juninho. A finisher not a creator. I was excited to see him come back to Australia from Spain last A-League season, especially so because he was arguably at the peak of his ability. His presence in the domestic competition was a ringing endorsement of our local product, a loud declaration to the world that we were no football backwater.

But Aloisi's performances for the Central Coast Mariners last season pricked the bubble of hype that had accompanied him following that night in November 2005. Despite his seven goals from 15 starts, at various times Nik Mrdja, Sasho Petrovski and even John Hutchinson looked far more lethal in front of goal than the 32-year-old Socceroos veteran.

Which is why it strikes me that Sydney FC, if Aloisi's salary is as high as reported, are getting swindled on this deal.

Prior to signing with Sydney (and Central Coast's pulling out of the contest for his signature), the warning went out that Aloisi could make much more money overseas, which was exactly the same noise made by his management before the player's last flirtation with Sydney. I blogged about that in August last year and, after all the talk of him finding a club in England or the continent following his departure from Spanish second-division side Deportivo Alaves, it all came to nothing. At the time Aloisi's game of brinkmanship effectively cost him a representative cap against Argentina from which he has not really recovered.

In the absence of Mark Viduka from national-team football Josh Kennedy and Scott McDonald have seized the opportunity to be called our first-pick strikers. When he had the biggest shot of his career at being our frontline striker, something he had waited his entire career for, Aloisi effectively blew it.

Can we really say, then, that six months on the guy is worth a million bucks?

Some people will rightly say Aloisi is one of the most recognised Australian footballers and will exert considerable marketing pull for an unpopular club that is struggling to meet its membership targets. Certainly with sections of the community his signing will excite interest and perhaps get a few more spectators through the turnstiles at the Sydney Football Stadium.

Aloisi is a good-looking, photogenic guy who will undoubtedly appeal to female fans. We saw when the David Beckham Magic Bus rolled through in November how the presence of a handsome footballer in town can miraculously persuade 80,000 platinum blondes to leg it out to a game. The more of them at the SFS, the better for everyone.

But football aficionados will have grave doubts about the due-diligence of this acquisition, especially when Mark Bridge has also been signed and Alex Brosque, when he was serviced by the redoubtable Juninho, showed many times last season what he could do with some decent supply.

Far from learning the lessons of Central Coast Mariners or Newcastle Jets, who have created super-clubs with far less resources, Sydney FC is still perplexingly betrothed to the cult of celebrity.

There are some vacuous people in Sydney, that is true; one only need walk down Campbell Parade in Bondi on a Saturday afternoon to see a cast of humanity more self-absorbed and vacant than a Fernando Frisoni fashion shoot. They respond to marketing stunts because they don't know any better. But equally Sydney has a very sophisticated side, especially in its football culture.

Its long established Italian, Greek, Spanish and South American communities know good football when they see it. Young worldly men with laptops sit in cafes downloading the latest video clips of superlative end-to-end action in La Liga or the Premiership. Old blokes gather in parks to play chess and talk about Totti or Riquelme or Fabregas. These people want desperately to love Sydney FC but all they see is an organisation that - at its worst - places a premium on mediocrity and doesn't know what to do with real quality when it arrives (Benito Carbone, Juninho).

As has been pointed out many times, Sydney could have been in a position to groom whom I regard as the two best strikers in the A-League, Bruce Djite and Nathan Burns, for next to nothing when they were NSW juniors and then make some money by selling them on to European clubs. Instead they were picked up by Adelaide, who stand to benefit considerably when they are inevitably transferred abroad.

How is Sydney - currently a veritable black hole for investors' money - ever going to earn back its investment on Aloisi?

Its priorities are completely the wrong way around. Do not the words "getting" and "burned" ring loudly in its ears when it is reputedly paying Aloisi three times more than the Mariners were prepared to cough up to retain him? The Mariners' four musketeers - Lawrie McKinna, Peter Turnbull, Lyall Gorman and John Singleton - must be splitting their sides with laughter.

On Sunday, The Sun-Herald speculated that even with Aloisi on board, there was a remote chance that Juninho could be retained by the club under the salary cap. It's true Sydney FC is playing hardball in negotiations: they well know the Brazilian is of advanced age, injury prone and has no desire to play in Asia. He also wants to stay in Sydney.

But after one season as the club's "marquee" player is Juninho really worth one-fifth of his previous contract? The key to any prospect of Juninho staying in Sydney is him accepting the vastly diminished offer on the table. It is going to be a big comedown for a man who once held aloft the World Cup.

Making it even harder for him to stomach is the fact the club has the money to make up the difference but deems it better spent on Aloisi. Discord in the locker-room over pay packets is never good for team harmony.

Juninho is a jack-in-the-box, one of those rare talents who, sitting behind the strikers, can conjure an opening when there seems to be no opening at all. Such players are few. They make the strikers' jobs a breeze. They make or break seasons. They are worth a million bucks and even more. A guy who played 50 times for Brazil, won a World Cup and was voted Middlesbrough's Player of the Century qualifies easily in that regard.

A guy famous for one kick - as wonderful as it was - simply doesn't.
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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Greenpoleffc said:
What would u prefer him to have written for him to say???

"I am just a greedy bastard with no real loyalty to anyone but my bank balance. Lowy FC offerred me shitloads of $$$ and I took their hand off."

"I would also like to personally thank the Doctors at SFC who didnt notice my chronic knee injury that will flare up after 1 good knock and is why no Euro club would have anything to do with me (and is why I was so shite for the last 6/8 weeks of the season)"

Well, quite frankly, yes.

This BS about Sydney being a bigger and better club is just utter, self-important, egotistical crap - and completely ignores the fact that they haven't received any silverware since Season 1.  Not only is it egotistical crap, but it's sheer ignorance and stupidity, and is quite insulting to CCM.

I could accept it if it was only about the money - who wouldn't change clubs for that amount of money?  But the rest of it is just utter BS. 

keensy said:
Can't blame him, im sure you would switch companies in your line of work if someone offered you 1.4 times your pay.

Wasn't it 3 times as much that Sydney are offering?

Ambitious person - 4th place, premiers.  4th place, premiers.  f**k he's dumb. 

IMO he isn't worth the money that Sydney are paying him.  Maybe they'll be able to make more use of him than we did - remember how good Mori was with us first time, and how crap he was at Qld?  The team can make a big change to somebody's performance.
 

FFC Mariner

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Brilliant article and very true. Nails Lowy FC's issues firmly and until a "real" football club is put in W Syd, the true football public of Sydney will have to put up with this bunch of tools.

A shame for the many football people who cling to SFC, but with competition, they will have to get real or die.

3 years into a 5 year exclusivity deal should have enabled them to own Sydney but they have f**ked it up big time. $1.4 for Aloi$i means they are probably going to stuff up V4 as well.
 

bikinigirl

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. just drawing together a few (slightly) off topic points raised - sydney have lost players on big money, they have replaced them with others on big money, they thought they could also get the little bloke under the salary cap and kermit (or whatever the sfc chairman is called) reckons they will not fill their roster because the quality they are buying will use up the salary cap beforehand

. yes they will struggle with depth
 

Jaza_SFC

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Pete said:
Jaza_SFC said:
Pete said:
Also, no improvement in their defense line - and money's running out I guess under the salary cap. Sure plenty of stars, but when these guys take on Socceroo and/or Olyroo duties whose to cover them? State Leaguers who couldn't make a HAL club squad, and prepared to sign on for crumbs?

We've still got a solid chunk in the cap, as we lost a lot of big earners.

And our defence doesn't need a huge amount of strengthening. Two solid keepers, three solid CBs (four if Millsy sticks around), we've already got one fullback lined up. We need a left-back, but so does everyone else, then we're set.

Who exactly is going from Sydney FC, Jaza? Guessing Zdrillic, maybe Milligan. Who are these high earners that have gone. And is it true you are having troubles getting Fyfe?

The big-earners gone are Zdrilic, Talay, Patrick, Rudan. Not only were they big, but they were *big*.
Then mid-range earners like Zadkovich and Milligan (who has been offered payrise and has said he will take it if o/seas doesn't work out in next few months) are gone as well.

Fink's article is rubbish. It's all talk. He ignores the fact that for all the talk about Juninho, and all of his great career (which shits on every other HAL players' from a huge height), he was crocked.
What counts is not your resume but what you do. That's not to say Juninho doesn't/can't perform when fit, but Aloisi scored a goal every other game (despite being well unfit his first and last few games) whilst Junior flapped about with a sore shoulder (and then a randomly sore knee in his side's biggest game) all season.

I've got a lot of time for TLF, and I suspect that if he can get fully fit and stays in the HAL, used well he'll be immense... But Fink is sust spurting SBS' usual crap that tries to idolise Brazilians for no other reason than their nationality. He is to journalism what I am ballet - f**king useless and totally out of place.
 

dibo

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i'm a bit grumpy about aloisi, but $1.4 million - if he scores a dozen goals he's going to be 7 times the price of joel griffiths, for no greater return that i can see.

throw a reduced sum at mrdja and see if he can find it in him to step up. i still think he's got the potential to outscore either c**tface or aloisi, and probably at substantially less cost to us than either of the other two.
 

Deej

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Top 2 for Sydney next year IMO, they have recruited well and recruited early which makes a big defference.

Colosimo is on massive money from what I heard on Friday night, Star City will love him, quite the gambling man I understand!

The Mariners have plan B, C, D, E and F so we'll see what happens in the next few weeks/months.  With the departure of Tommy, Gumps (likely) and Aloisi that's a marquee role and 2 of our biggest earners gone, plus Mrdja another big earner is still a question mark.  So we have plenty of money available, I'm sure Lawrie and Lyall will get the right person.
 

skilbeck

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dibo said:
i'm a bit grumpy about aloisi, but $1.4 million - if he scores a dozen goals he's going to be 7 times the price of joel griffiths, for no greater return that i can see.

throw a reduced sum at mrdja and see if he can find it in him to step up. i still think he's got the potential to outscore either c**tface or aloisi, and probably at substantially less cost to us than either of the other two.

Yeah I agree with Dibo, a fit Mrdja would be better than griffiths or Aloisi IMO. As for a playmaker someone with Juninho's style would be awesome for us if we cant get TLF ourselves, the added bonus of him signing with us is that Jedinak wont pwn him anymore like in that first game and most of the other holding mids in the comp are a complete joke
 

FFC Mariner

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He will - these are guys who actually plan what they are going to do on a long term basis and not like SFC do (like a 14yo on CM08).

Have faith grasdshopper, all will be revealed
 

BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
Atomic said:
I love the "holier than thou" mode some people go into when they talk about JA's decision. So what if he did it purely for financial gain??? You have absolutely NO idea about his personal financial position. Yes, he's earnt the big bucks in the past but for all we know he may have made some bad investments or he could've been donating a lot of it to a worthy cause. I love how we talk about how an extra $400K should be inconsequential to his decision and how he should be seeking the more sanctifying goals of trophies and playing in Asia.

Personally, I want to extend my thanks to him for what he did for us last season and I hope, in the fullness of time, he realises he's made the wrong decision to leave.


I'm with Atomic ....well said brother.. :thumbup: :goodpost:
 

offtheball

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Jaza_SFC said:
Pete said:
Also, no improvement in their defense line - and money's running out I guess under the salary cap. Sure plenty of stars, but when these guys take on Socceroo and/or Olyroo duties whose to cover them? State Leaguers who couldn't make a HAL club squad, and prepared to sign on for crumbs?

We've still got a solid chunk in the cap, as we lost a lot of big earners.

And our defence doesn't need a huge amount of strengthening. Two solid keepers, three solid CBs (four if Millsy sticks around), we've already got one fullback lined up. We need a left-back, but so does everyone else, then we're set.

Except the Mariners with Heff
 

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